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Hunter,
I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas don't use it.
Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he would have to
enlighten you with CC's program is so beneficial.

I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
are "general" and various comments may apply to some schools, but
I would guess that could be applied to any state or country.
None of your comments apply to my school.

So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?

On 7/03/14, Huner wrote:
> It's not whether it is new or not,
> its the fact of the matter that there
> are some serious flaws in today's
> education system. To justify the fact
> that standardization from the Common
> core is more so beneficial than a
> modem of personalized education is
> absurd. Please explain how you
> justify that model, I'm really
> curious as about your reasons that
> back it up.
>
>
> On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a
> little behind the times wrote:
>> This philosophy - education mantra
> -- came out about 20 years
>> ago and has been tried in various
> ways since. Nothing
>> mentioned is new.
>>
>> On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
>>> I hope I'm not the only person
> here that realizes the
>> current education system is
>>> useless and a TOTAL waste of time
> for all of our students.
>> Often the blame is put
>>> on the teachers (which in some
> cases is absolutely valid),
>> but have people ever
>>> thought that maybe it's the
> curriculum?
>>>
>>> Education is not just a delivery
> system (like it is now),
>> it's supposed to be about
>>> teaching kids how to apply the
> concepts of the subjects to
>> real life applications.
>>> It's not about trying to remember
> & repeat. Tell me how
>> long your memory can
>>> hold onto information you find
> boring? Exactly, not long at
>> all. The chance of a
>>> student actually 100% remembering
> the things taught to
>> him/her, is slim to
>>> nothing. Instead of trying to
> teach the technicals to them,
>> lets teach the
>>> technicals, but with an emphasis
> on how to apply these
>> CONCEPTS & the process
>>> to real world problems.
>>>
>>> Here are the current problems with
> the education system:
>>>
>>> 1) There is no creativity & does
> not allow for individual
>> uniqueness
>>>
>>> 2) We deal with conditioned
> learning, the students can not
>> think for themselves!
>>> They're being taught what to
> think, instead of them finding
>> the answers on their
>>> own.
>>>
>>> 3) It's BORING, students HATE
> going to school! Lets change
>> that! You're not
>>> going to make it into a place they
> love to go to, but at
>> least lets make it
>>> enjoyable!
>>>
>>> 4) There are no classes that apply
> to different problems in
>> the real world.
>>>
>>> 5) After freshman year in high
> school, a lot of the
>> information is recycled from
>>> previous years!
>>>
>>> 6) Tests are way too standardized
> and determine whether the
>> student passes or
>>> not. They should HELP with
> learning, not DETERMINE the
>> student's fate.
>>>
>>> 7) Kids are not taught how to
> fail, and how to take risks.
>> They are scared to fail!
>>>
>>> 8) We try to teach kids while they
> deal with temptation
>> from technology.
>>> EMBRACE the technology, allow it
> in the class rooms, use it
>> as a tool for learning!
>>> We live in the 21st century, we
> have to adapt to the social
>> changes!
>>>
>>> 9) We tell students how to live in
> a democracy, instead of
>> having them actually
>>> participate in a democracy.
>>>
>>> ---Solutions (Open to revision &
> advice)---
>>>
>>> 1) Allow kids to work from their
> own point of view. Let
>> them learn in their own
>>> unique way.
>>>
>>> 2) Have them do more hands-on
> learning, labs, and
>> exercises. Make them draw
>>> their own conclusions & interact
> with the exercise to find
>> the correct answer.
>>> Don't just tell them what they
> need to know, make them
>> figure out how to find
>>> out what they need to know. For
> example: In math, don't
>> just give them a
>>> problem to work out, give them a
> visual of a real world
>> problem (like filling up a
>>> glass of water), then ask them how
> long it takes to fill it
>> up. Make them ask
>>> questions, intrigue their
> curiosity, and make them think
>> about what they need to
>>> figure out in order to solve the
> problem. They need to
>> figure out the dimensions
>>> of the glass, how much water is
> coming out of the faucet
>> per second, etc.
>>>
>>> 3) Let them have classes that
> pertain to their interests.
>> Less standardization, and
>>> more personalization! Why do you
> think they're bored at
>> school? Because they're
>>> being force fead stuff they don't
> care about. Let them
>> expand on their passion,
>>> allow them to study what ever it
> is their motivated about,
>> embrace their curiosity
>>> & allow them to feed that
> curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
>> thing that will promote
>>> learning, why are we shunning it?!
> Allow the learning to be
>> open to their
>>> uniqueness, allow for them to
> learn in their own way.
>>>
>>> 4) Make classes that apply to the
> world they will live in,
>> in just a few years. Such
>>> as, a class on taxes, opening &
> maintaining a bank account,
>> job interviews,
>>> parenting from a psychological
> standpoint (how different
>> tactics impact the
>>> development of a child), managing
> money, nutrition &
>> physicality, etc.
>>>
>>> 5) Allow students to take classes
> that pertain to them &
>> what they want to do. In
>>> high school, they will be
> graduating in a few years, and
>> most kids have NO idea
>>> what they want to do. Why not
> allow for students to take a
>> path that will help
>>> them find what they want to do
> while still in high school,
>> such as them taking
>>> courses towards their future
> career (and will make up most
>> of their curriculum),
>>> again, feed that curiosity! If
> they change their mind on
>> what they want to do,
>>> fine! They're young and still
> learning, and they're still
>> under the roof of their
>>> parents, what better time than to
> change your mind instead
>> of when you're off to
>>> college? (Yes, there will always
> be exceptions to this).
>>>
>>> 6) Tests should help the teachers
> know what the child is
>> having trouble with, not
>>> whether or not the student will
> advance to the next
>> grade/class. If they fail a test
>>> why is it that it fails them in
> the class, and makes them
>> scared to fail? Instead, if
>>> they fail a test, help them with
> their problems & get them
>> to figure out what they
>>> did wrong and to get them to think
> critically about how to
>> correct the mistakes.
>>> This is where you teach kids how
> to fail, how to mistakes,
>> and then how to be
>>> able to look at failures from a
> learning perspective in
>> order to make it better
>>> next time, not from a perspective
> of being scared to fail.
>>>
>>> 7) The above question pretty much
> answers this. Allow kids
>> to take risks & to
>>> fail without them being afraid of
> it. Look at all
>> entrepreneurs & people who have
>>> significantly impacted the world,
> do you think they were
>> scared to fail? Sure, but
>>> not to the point of where it
> inhibited them from trying.
>> How many of you have
>>> maybe wanted to pursue your
> passion, or a great idea, but
>> was scared to try?
>>> Probably many. Lets change that!
> Lets take that trait out
>> of our children and
>>> teach them how to embrace failing
> as a learning experience,
>> and not teach them
>>> to be scared of failing to the
> point they don't want to try
>> and take the risk. Teach
>>> kids how to fail, by getting them
> to fail.
>>>
>>> 8) Allow a trust between the
> teacher & the student to use
>> their cell phones
>>> during class. A trust that the
> student will use it
>> moderately in an adequate
>>> manner. When abusing of that trust
> starts to happen, THAT
>> is when disciplinary
>>> actions or compromises can take
> place. They suffer from
>> severe temptation from
>>> technology, just allow it! In
> other cases, use it as a
>> teaching tool! Have them get
>>> on their phones & find a way to
> incorporate it into the
>> lesson. Let them get on
>>> their favorite apps or websites,
> and find a way to
>> incorporate it into the lesson.
>>> We are in the 21st century, it's
> time to adapt.
>>>
>>> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a
> manner similar to a
>> democracy. Allow trust
>>> between the students and the
> governing body. You want to
>> teach kids how to be
>>> good members of society, and how
> to support a government of
>> democracy? This
>>> is how you do it. Make it
> adequate. Obviously they are
>> children and don't fully
>>> know how to behave correctly, but
> make it adequate to where
>> they have a say in
>>> their education and how things are
> ran. As they increase in
>> age from elementary
>>> to high school, increase the power
> they have. Why do we
>> feel we should run
>>> things that we think are best,
> when they are the students
>> that are actually the
>>> ones learning? They are not
> robots, we don't just program
>> to a
>>> schedule/curriculum that we think
> is best. They are humans
>> that need to have a
>>> say & make things better for
> themselves. They are the ones
>> in the learning
>>> process, they know how to make it
> work better than we do.
>>>
>>> --- What The Objectives of a
> School Should Be---
>>>
>>> Bring creativity back into
> schools. There need not be
>> punishment for failing &
>>> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just
> kids trying to do things
>> form their point of
>>> view, who are we to tell them why
> are wrong in doing that?
>> This allows to create
>>> leaders & innovators, instead of
> kids who are taught what
>> to think. They will now
>>> think for themselves and take
> advantage of their unique
>> abilities and creativity
>>> that they are born with. We need
> to recognize their talents
>> and let them expand
>>> on those talents.
>>>
>>> Create students that know how to
> think divergently, outside
>> the box, and how to
>>> recognize & solve problems.
> Education is not about just
>> remembering and
>>> regurgitating, it is about
> learning concepts of problem
>> solving, and being able to
>>> use concepts taught in school to
> apply in the real world.
>> Education is about
>>> inspiring one's mind, not just
> filling their head. The
>> objective is to intrigue
>>> students, get them curious, and to
> ask questions.
>>>
>>> Look at all majorly successful
> people and look at what they
>> have in common.
>>> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines),
> Elon Musk (SpaceX,
>> PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
>>> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs
> (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
>> (Facebook), Henry
>>> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do
> these people have in
>> common? They all have the
>>> ability to recognize a problem,
> and think critically to
>> solve that problem. Do you
>>> think it matters what they got on
> their 12 grade calculus
>> test? No. They all were
>>> not afraid to fail nor to take the
> risk. They all ventured
>> into the darkness to try
>>> something new, and to take a
> chance at creating something
>> big. This, along with
>>> the general curriculum, is what we
> need to teach our
>> children.

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