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    Re: The Education System is FAILING
    Posted by: muinteoir on 7/06/14
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    On 7/03/14, Huner wrote:
    > It's not whether it is new or not,
    > its the fact of the matter that there
    > are some serious flaws in today's
    > education system. To justify the fact
    > that standardization from the Common
    > core is more so beneficial than a
    > modem of personalized education is
    > absurd. Please explain how you
    > justify that model, I'm really
    > curious as about your reasons that
    > back it up.

    The Common Core Standards (and the Next Generation Science
    Standards and the National Curriculum Standards for Social
    Studies) are just that - STANDARDS. They are not curricula.

    I support national standards because I believe that every
    child that attends public school in our country should have the
    same access and same opportunity to engage in content that will
    prepare them well for post-secondary success; whether it be
    college, technical school, military service, or the workforce.

    I also believe that every student should have access to quality
    instruction (including curricula and instructional materials),
    quality teachers, and quality facilities. That's a different
    conversation.

    I understand that not all students are college-bound. However
    where they live and go to school should not be the main determiner
    of their options. The kids living in the colonias along the
    border, in rural and isolated west Texas, in the inner cities, in
    Alamo Heights and Highland Park, anywhere should have the same
    opportunity to learn the content that will serve them in any
    future. Extrapolate that to a national level and it's the same.

    Without standards, students in the poorest areas historically have
    not had access to the same content as middle and upper class
    students.

    I'm only talking about opportunity here, nothing else. All
    students in public school deserve equal access. Whether or not
    they choose to take advantage of the opportunity is a different
    problem.

    The problem becomes complicated when people confuse standards with
    curriculum and instruction. I do not support a national
    curriculum. Furthermore the Elementary and Secondary Education Act
    of 1965 – reauthorized as NCLB in 2001 forbids the establishment
    of one.

    Poorly written materials, seriously misguided implementation,
    injudicious testing, political posturing, profiteering, all
    contribute to confound the situation.

    If schools and teachers are allowed to decide on the materials,
    techniques, strategies, whatever, that works best for their
    students, in their situations, as long as most of the kids are
    mastering the common standards, then –IMHO- we would see some
    well-prepared students.

    Of course, there would have to be some measure of most kids
    mastering standards, and that brings up the testing problem. I
    think this is solvable also, but not as long as education is a
    political plaything.


    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/02/14, by AW -- I think you are a little behind the times.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/03/14, by Huner.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by answer.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by muinteoir.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by To AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by hmmmmmm.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy's argument is faulty.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by don't sell our kids.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by fight back now.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by whomever.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by about Finland.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/13/14, by Hunter.


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