Re: ESL and stateside cert

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My CLAD was honored before I was ever hired and that was in 2005.
All it took was a call to the dept of credentialing to find out
that I had the cert. DODEA did not waffle on it either. One call
and I had it immediately! I taught ESL for the first couple years
I was in DODEA too! This is not a slip. Still in DODEA and all my
CA certs were honored right away!

On 11/30/12, Whatever wrote:
> While I agree with all of you that Dave is a hemorrhoid on
> society, I think you need to acknowledge that he has a point
> about people's past experiences being no longer valid today.
> Furthermore, it sounds like most people posting that they were
> given ESL certs based on CLAD alone did it after they were
> already hired by Dodds to teach something else. Once you're in,
> it's easier to convince licensure to qualify you, especially if
> you have a principal pulling favors for you. The same rules
> don't apply to potential Conus hires.
>
> n 11/30/12, in the med wrote:
>> And I have ESL certification. I tested out in my state and
>> it was after 1999. I have been here only a few years, but
>> I have the ESL certification and many others. No
>> coursework, all state certifications. We are not slipping
>> through. State certifications are being recognized.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/12, Dave wrote:
>>> MAYBE, ESL was one of the last disciplines to get a
>>> formal write up, its
>>> possible at that time you may have received a ESL
>>> credential back then under some grandfathering
>>> exception.... SO WHAT... This isnt 1999, it 2012
>>> (almost 2013) and DODEA has very firm established and
>>> well documented requirements for ESL teaching
>>> qualifications. The earlier poster advising someone
>>> NOW, that they could get a professional DODEA
>>> certification based on having a CA CLAD endorsement
>>> alone, without the required course work, is recklessly
>>> ignorant advice. Some people may slip through the
>>> cracks but that doesnt mean DODEA cant revoke a
>>> credential that was issued in error. You would be
>>> living on borrowed time, and the probability of it
>>> happening is incredibly small.
>>>
>>> On 11/29/12, CA Teacher too wrote:
>>>> Dave you are wrong. I was hired before you (1999) and
>>>> state certification could be used for DoDDS
>>>> certification without credit hours. I did not slip
>>>> through any cracks. But you are right about the point
>>>> being after 2009 that you now need at least half the
>>>> credit if state certified. We are grandfathered in so
>>>> to speak. If you were right then I must have
>>>> "slipped through the cracks" on 7 of my 17
>>>> DoDDS certifications. Seems like the people at HQ
>>>> don't check credentials carefully.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/29/12, Dave wrote:
>>>>> No, you slipped through the cracks. Before 2009
>>>>> there was no half credit hour discount, you needed
>>>>> ALL the credit hours. Zero hours does not equal any
>>>>> hours. Certification doesnt equal any hours at all.
>>>>> You slipped through the cracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its not a fact, if you "heard" about it.
>>>>> I have heard similar claims in the last couple of
>>>>> weeks. Ive also heard there there will be no
>>>>> transfer round, except for excessed teachers. One
>>>>> thing ive learned so far is that no one knows until
>>>>> it happens, and speculating before hand is just a
>>>>> coping mechanisim for those with time to spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/12, CA Teacher too wrote:
>>>>>> Dave, No we didn't slip through the cracks. I
>>>>>> also have zero units in ESL but a CLAD with my
>>>>>> CALIF MULTIPLE SUBJECT CREDENTIAL and I was also
>>>>>> certified in ESL by DoDDS. I think the major
>>>>>> difference is when we were hired. Prior to 2009
>>>>>> there was no half the hours credit thing at all.
>>>>>> You could be certified based solely on state
>>>>>> certification. This is no longer the case. There
>>>>>> are far too many applicants and fewer and fewer
>>>>>> DoDDS positions. In fact, I just heard today that
>>>>>> THERE WILL BE NO CONUS HIRING FOR ANY EUROPEAN
>>>>>> VACANCY due to the large number of excess
>>>>>> teachers. Also, it is not a for sure thing that
>>>>>> there will even be a voluntary transfer program
>>>>>> this year. It may be only excess teachers who get
>>>>>> moved. And finally, I heard through the grapevine
>>>>>> that the "golden handshake" or VISP may
>>>>>> be offered to retirement eligible teachers to
>>>>>> make vacancies for the high number of excesses.
>>>>>> Time will tell. We should hear something in late
>>>>>> Jan/Feb on how this all plays out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/29/12, Dave wrote:
>>>>>>> I believe the poster meant "county"
>>>>>>> courses. these are PD courses offered through
>>>>>>> an extension program. sometimes you get college
>>>>>>> credit, sometimes you dont, and sometimes its
>>>>>>> an option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its possible the responder has a DODEA ESL
>>>>>>> certification, but they shouldnt. DODEA
>>>>>>> requires credit hours earned from an accredited
>>>>>>> college or university. Being certified means
>>>>>>> you just need half the required hours. the
>>>>>>> respondent just slipped through the cracks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/28/12, curious in the midwest wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/28/12, Been there done that wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Someone asked a question about getting ESL
>>>>>>>>> cert. I have it in CA. Have no coursework.
>>>>>>>>> Took country courses and the exam which I
>>>>>>>>> passed with a perfect score. Have had CA
>>>>>>>>> cert for twenty years. DODEA took my cert
>>>>>>>>> with no problem at all. THe analyst called
>>>>>>>>> Sacramento, asked what this authorized me
>>>>>>>>> to teach, and then immediately contacted me
>>>>>>>>> and told me it would be no problem at all.
>>>>>>>>> Do not listen to the naysayers. Have your
>>>>>>>>> analyst call Sacramento. There are several
>>>>>>>>> of us from CA, in my school, and we all
>>>>>>>>> have it. Do it. Pursue it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are country courses?

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