To J:

I am also from Florida, Cocoa Beach area...you? On my teaching
certificate it says Exceptional Student Education K-12 and ESOL
endorsement. My degree covers a wide range of disabilities, ages 5-
22. They also already have my transcripts (see a previous post
to "Fingers Crossed" to explain why). There was one area I wasn't
sure I qualified for (preschool disabilities), but they looked
through my transcripts and approved me for it, based on various
classes I had taken. I understand that the verbage on their website
is confusing, but my impression is that it matters more to them what
you have course hours in. This is in NO WAY directed to you, but,
food for thought... Anyone can pay the money, take the test, and add
an area to their cert... This doesn't mean that they are as fully
qualified to teach that subject area as someone who may have majored
in that area. I had a situation this previous year at my school
where a teacher (in an IEP meeting!) stated (to the parents!) that
he was just as qualified to teach their child with disabilities as I
was. Mind you, his degree was Elem Ed, and he had "taken the test"
to add ESE to his cert. I have a BS and M.Ed. in ESE. I found this
to be highly offensive, and it changed my view of him from there on
out. Just maybe a different way to look at the situation... I hope
that you don't find anything I've said here to be offensive, that
truely isn't my intention. Just sharing my experience... I think
this may be why they want to see hours on transcripts, to back up
the areas of certifications? There have been many posts on this
board previously about this same topic... It seems that HR is very
strict on their requirements, regardless of what the cert says. They
don't seem to budge very often... Hope this rambling on helped in
some way? If not, sorry, its late here! :-) Best of luck to you.

On 6/28/09, J wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> Thanks for the reply! I appreciate you taking the time.
>
> I guess what I meant by "trumps" is that having a subject listed
> on my state certificate would move me from not being "Not
> Qualified" (according to not having the the minimum credit hour
> requirements set by the department) into being "State Qualified"
> due to the "in leui of rule." Even though I SHOULD be eligible
> for consideration according to the rules the woman in HR won't
> move me out of "Not Qualified" for General Science even though
> it is listed seperate now on my state license! I had to pay $
> and take a special test to have it added.
>
> Also...As far as having Integrated Curriculum... I simply gave
> up on having that one endorsement accepted but was told having a
> subject seperate and added on WOULD count....until I had it
> done. I do not have the credit hours but I have the endorsement.
> I have pasted below exactly what the website says for both
> the "in leui of" and the definition of State Qualified. This is
> to other teachers who run into the same thing.
>
> I am sorry about your husband getting passed up. :(
>
> Pasted from the DOD website:
>
> State or Territory Certification/License. In lieu of meeting the
> DoDDS minimum qualifications, applicants may be considered and
> hired based on a valid state or territory certificate or license
> in the subject area for which applying. Educators appointed
> based on state or territory certificates may be granted a
> Provisional License. A Professional License may be granted upon
> completion of all applicable qualification standards as stated
> in this brochure and two years of successful teaching experience
> with DoDDS.
>
> In addition to the above....
>
> The definition of "State Qualified" currently on the website
> specifically notes a person is "State Qualified" in a subject if
> they have a state certificate in the subject area being applied
> for. I have cut and pasted below the rule directly off your
> website in red. Again my certificate falls under this rule:
>
> Not Determined - Your application has not yet been fully
> reviewed, please check back later.
>
> State Qualified - You either have a national board or a state
> certificate or have an education degree with a major in the
> field of the job category for which you are applying. You may
> not currently meet all of DoDDS requirements for this job
> category. Should you be hired for this job category, you will
> have two years to complete all of the requirements.
>
> Qualified - You are qualified for this job category.
>
> Not Qualified - Unfortunately, you do not meet the DoDDS
> requirements for this job category.
>
> Thanks for lending an ear... :)
>
>
>
>
> On 6/28/09, dodds para wrote:
>> Under the section that talks about categories and
>> requirements it clearly states their credit hour
>> requirements. I haven't seen anything on their website that
>> would indicate a state cert "trumps" the hour requirements.
>> The website states that an applicany "may" be hired based on
>> state certs.
>>
>> We ran into that problem last year. Hubby was selected for a
>> job, but then passed over because the # 2 person had the
>> credit hours and hubby didn't. A state cert without the
>> credit hours to back it up will not get you a job with DoDDs.
>>
>> There is one way around it though. IF you are state certified
>> in multiple areas then the credit hour requirements change to
>> 12 hours per subject area you are certified in. You would
>> have to have clearly labeled state certifications though. If
>> DoDDs does not recognize IC then it seems like a moot point?
>> What would it take to be certified in the different areas for
>> FL?
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> On 6/28/09, J wrote:
>>> I am frustrated b/c I have a FL state cert in English and
>>> Intergarted Curriculum. IC allows me to teach all subject
>>> areas (English,Math,Science, Social Science)Grades 5-9. I
>>> submitted and was told that IC was not recognized. I went
>>> back to state and "sectioned off" my subjects and re-
>>> submitted with General Science added seperate. I planned to
>>> add Math etc at a later point (money and time contraints) I
>>> STILL was told that the newly added Science was no good
>>> since I "tested out." Thing is...the rules CLEARLY state
>>> that a state license in the subject area being applied for
>>> trumps needing credit hours and that I would have 2 years
>>> to get the courses needed. Has anyone else had this
>>> problem? I have plead my case several times to deaf ears.
>>> How can they ignore their own rules? I keep hearing
>>> how "black and white" the HR is about certifications but
>>> that is not my experience!

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