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    Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT
    Posted by nbct on 6/03/08

    As I said before, the best solution for you which is not getting
    anyone's stamp of approval, is to just fail them. I was under the
    impression that the NB process would've helped you develop
    professionally, but it doesn't seem like it did. Shame, shame.

    On 6/02/08, Middle School NBCT wrote:
    > On 6/02/08, Aly wrote:
    >> I figured you'd respond to that one comment, from the entire
    >> message.
    >
    > Who is the "you"? I'm not the writer of the first post that got
    > you all riled up. Your inference skills are a little rusty.
    >
    >
    >
    > Unfortunately, you did not learn one of the NB
    >> standards. Let me quote it for you: Assessment= "Accomplished
    >> teachers understand the strengths and weaknesses of different
    >> assessment methods, base their instruction on ongoing
    >> assessment, and ENCOURAGE students to monitor their own
    >> learning."
    >
    >
    > Rather sanctimonious of you to be judge, jury, and hangman. I
    > believe I do all of the above and have already been judged an
    > exemplary teacher by the NBPTS, my peers, my students, and my
    > community. I was not aware that I had to apply for your personal
    > stamp of approval. Do you understand the weaknesses of some of
    > the alternative assessments that are really no assessment at all?
    > I certainly give more than one type of assessment but my job is to
    > have high expectations for my students including mastering content
    > and concepts. I will not call mediocre performance excellent for
    > the sake of "encouragement". Everybody does not get an A.
    >
    >> This does not mean you can give them 1 test and fail them.
    >> Although, that's the easiest way to go. If they "cheat" using
    >> different/alternative assessment methods, you need to monitor
    >> and assisst them, not punish them because they obviously didn't
    >> get it! Group projects encourage socialization skills and self
    >> esteem. How can you be against that? Yes, students should
    >> receive ample time if needed; especially those who are learning
    >> a new language!
    >> Yes, I agree that the easiest thing for you would be to just
    >> give them that test, and if they fail, they fail. That, on the
    >> other hand is what makes U.S. students and ALL students feel
    >> they are failures...just look at the drop out rates.
    >>
    >>
    > In general, American children do not suffer from low self-esteem.
    > They suffer from being poorly educated. When standardized math
    > tests were given to groups of students from various countries,
    > American students consistently predicted that they had performed
    > well on those tests. Students from other countries expressed
    > concern that they had not done well enough. When the tests were
    > graded, American students scored lower than most of the other
    > countries. Our students feel really good about themselves. They
    > don't even know how little they know because many teachers have
    > given them the idea that whatever they do is wonderful EVEN WHEN
    > IT'S NOT. They are permitted to be completely self-satisfied with
    > their ignorance. Our expectations are too low. We have also
    > created a generation of children whose lives are not grounded in
    > any real self-knowledge.
    >
    >
    >
    >> On 5/24/08, Middle School NBCT wrote:
    >>> On 5/24/08, NBCT on 5/16/08 wrote
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Reality Check: For most people, the AC is very stressful
    >>>> and not everyone is a great test taker. Would you fail your
    >>>> students who demonstrate their academic abilities in many
    >>>> ways using alternative assessments, but are not great test
    >>>> takers?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> There is no scientific proof that anything called a bad test
    >>> taker actually exists. We have allowed students to do group
    >>> cheat projects and creative "alternative assessments" until
    >>> the assessment has lost any relationship to the reality of
    >>> content mastered. We give students a distorted sense of
    >>> reality when we allow "ample time" to finish all tests. In
    >>> life there are time limits and there are tests.
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> My response to your question: Should students who work hard
    >>>> but never master the material get an A?
    >>>> You say NO, I wholeheartedly say YES! As stated before,
    >>>> each student learns differently and it is your job as a
    >>>> teacher to make sure you meet their individual need. Giving
    >>>> them a test at the end of the lesson to determine whether or
    >>>> not they mastered the material should not be your only way
    >>>> of assessing. If the "students worked hard" as you said,
    >>>> never master the material, you may need to reflect on your
    >>>> teaching. It may be your teaching styles that need
    >>>> adjusting.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Excuse me! You feel every child should get an A or it's the
    >>> teacher's fault! Teachers and parents like you are the reason
    >>> that U. S. students aren't cutting it in competition with the
    >>> rest of the world. We have a generation of students who
    >>> believe whatever they give you is good enough. They can't tell
    >>> mediocrity from excellence because no matter what they do they
    >>> are praised. We don't want to hurt their self-esteem. We
    >>> give every kid on the team a trophy even when they have no
    >>> athletic talent. We now give every kid a good grade even when
    >>> their academic achievement does not merit it? Lady, you're
    >>> wrong!

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    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 5/16/08, by NBCT.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 5/16/08, by completely untrue.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 5/16/08, by jen.
  • Re: OP your NBCT status showed the flawed system, 5/16/08, by also an NBCT.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 5/16/08, by j.
  • Re: OP your NBCT status showed the flawed system, 5/16/08, by Middle School NBCT.
  • Re: OP your NBCT status showed the flawed system, 5/22/08, by Not yet a NBCT.
  • Re: the best teacher ever could not certify, 5/24/08, by anon for this one...nbct 2003.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 5/24/08, by NBCT on 5/16/08.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 5/24/08, by Middle School NBCT.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 6/02/08, by Aly.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 6/02/08, by Middle School NBCT.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 6/03/08, by jade.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 6/03/08, by nbct.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 6/03/08, by Middle School NBCT.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 6/04/08, by Finishing the process.
  • Re: Not Everyone Can Become a NBCT, 6/04/08, by nbct.

     
     

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