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    Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life
    Posted by Kim/AR/math on 7/01/08
    (21) Comments

    On 7/01/08, Rose B/2nd/CA wrote:
    > I think the point is that NCLB is responsible for us not having
    > any choices for what subject matter our children will be taught
    > because "IT WILL BE ON THE TEST". We cannot teach a low
    > performing 4th grader at a second grade level with second grade
    > books because that 4th grader will be TESTED at a fourth grade
    > level. Success or failure of a school is based solely on the TEST
    > at the end of the year. That is what NCLB has done to "choice".
    > Rose

    NCLB does not make the choice of what subject matter will be taught
    or what will be on the test (other than in broad terms, reading,
    math, science). The states/districts/schools decide that. Even if
    there was no test, the state/district still has a curriculum that
    must be followed. State curriculums were around before NCLB. So
    teachers haven't always had free reign with the curriculum. You can't
    blame that on NCLB.

    My state mandates other things that will be taught (pe, art, history,
    computers) but aren't on the test.

    So NCLB has forced schools to teach and test 4th graders at a 4th
    grade level? I don't see that as a bad thing. As I said in another
    post, if you are teaching a 4th grader at a 2nd grade level, and he
    makes a B, is it fair to put on his transcript that he earned a B in
    4th grade reading? I don't think so. He didn't earn a B in 4th grade
    reading he earned a B in 2nd grade reading. If a student is in 12th
    grade should he be allowed to be taught on a 7th grade reading level?
    I don't think so. IMO, that is one of the reasons why we have NCLB. A
    high school diploma didn't always mean the student knew hs material.

    In AR, we are going to a growth model for AYP. Not "did the students
    pass", but "did they show growth". So even if students aren't on
    grade level, if they are showing growth, the school is doing ok.

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  • It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 6/26/08, by Tom (Houston).
  • Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 6/28/08, by Kim/AR/math.
  • Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 6/29/08, by Tom (Houston).
  • Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 6/29/08, by Kim/AR/math.
  • Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 6/30/08, by Jean Bullock.
  • Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 6/30/08, by Rosie.
  • Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 7/01/08, by Rose B/2nd/CA.
  • Re: It Ignores an Old Fact of Life, 7/01/08, by Kim/AR/math.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 7/07/08, by doh.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 7/08/08, by strange.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 7/09/08, by ashley.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 7/10/08, by 3rdChicago.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 7/26/08, by Chris IL.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 7/26/08, by Lea.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 7/26/08, by Kim/AR/math.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 8/04/08, by doh.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 11/04/08, by Seriously here is the joke.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 11/05/08, by Tessa- FL.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 11/07/08, by Ciarra.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 11/08/08, by frustrated.
  • Re: NCLB is a Joke, 11/12/08, by libteacher.