Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!
Posted by Wow on 8/10/07

I digress...

I wish we all had the time and sanity.

On 8/09/07, Success Friend wrote:
> If I can do it, then anyone can. I differentiate for 150 students. How?
>
> 1. I do a student interest survey.
> 2. I do a learning style inventory to find their subconsious and conscious
> learning channels (Audio, Visual Kinestetic)
> 3. I create a lesson. Opening, Introduction to New Material, Guided Practice,
> Differentiated Independent Practice, Closing.
> 4. During Differentiated Independent Practice, students choose an activity
> that best suits their interest level and learning style.
> 5. This means that all I have to do is develop 3 core activities- 1 primarily
> visual, 1 primarily kinestetic, 1 primarily audio. I tmust relate to the
> subject.
> 6. I give them a choice to use something they are interested in to complete
> the activity.
> 7. The key is creativity on your part. A child will learn anything as long as
> he or she is interested.
> 8. All it takes is a little more time and effort:)
>
>
>
>
> On 8/09/07, Wow wrote:
>> SuccessFriend, sounds like you need to enter what we call reality. Public
>> school systems are stretched so thin that it is amazing that they are able to
>> function at all. It would be impossible to adapt to each individual child's
>> learning style. Public school teachers are the most under appreciated and
>> underpaid individuals working today!
>>
>> You made a funny statement in an earlier quote. "I also read quote books,
> and
>> trust what people have done before me. If they say anything is
>> possible, I believe it." So, are you saying that if it is in print then it
> has
>> to be true? You just lost any aspect of logic here!!!
>>
>> Best of luck with your effort to adjust any and everything based on every
>> person's needs. By the way, I would prefer it if you would type in all
>> lowercase letters from now on, with the exception that I would like for you
> to
>> type every 3rd, 19th, and 3,276th words in Italics and in all caps. Let's see
>> how willing you are to adapt!
>>
>> :) Cheers :)
>>
>> On 8/03/07, success friend wrote:
>>> That is YOUR belief system. What you want for your daughter is up to you.
>>> You cannot force a child to learn, but it must be interesting. If she is
>>> drawing, instead of listening, I would question if she is being taught in
>>> her mode of learning. Is there differentated instruction? Or is her visual
>>> mode of learning being overlooked? How many teachers actually do this with
>>> every student. Can you honestly say you differentiate your standards-based
>>> instruction with every student based on their learning style or modality?
>>> Show me evidence of this, and I will agree with your comment. I can
>>> honestly say that I do. If you want, I can send you a copy of a lesson
>>> plan I developed for this purpose.
>>>
>>> On 8/03/07, me wrote:
>>>> I almost agree with you, with one tiny flaw.. from the orginal post about
>>>> surpressing talents,,, its not that teachers want to surpress talents its
>>>> that these kids chose to do their talents when they should be listening
>>> in
>>>> math class or english class or social studies... I hope to God that if my
>>>> daughter starts doing drawings during math session that the teacher would
>>>> take it away from her..... at that time she should be doing math.... And
>>>> i'll guarantee one thing.....MY DAUGHTER WILL NOT GO TO COLLEGE FOR ART
>>>> UNLESS SHE PAYS FOR IT.... I'M NOT CONTRIBUTING TO ART....DONE DEAL...
>>> and
>>>> i almost like you, brought myself from the dumps up to where i am now..
>>>> I'm a high school drop out..lower middle class always lived in an
>>>> apartment moved every year... blah blah blah.... family problems the
>>> whole
>>>> shabang... but that doesn't mean that someone else in our shoes was
>>>> brilliant enough to pull themselves out...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/03/07, Success Friend wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the info about the Secret, I will check it out. If Oprah
>>>>> endorses it, it must be pretty cool. Thank you for the information. I
>>>>> like a nice, healthy debate, but you made a reference to a book that I
>>>>> have no idea about. My philosophy is based on experience and
>>>>> observation, not one particular book. If you don't think your comment
>>>>> contained negativity or sarcasm, I guess we are not fit for a debate.
>>>>> Can you provide evidence for your hypothesis? Have you conduted an
>>>>> experiment that disproves what I am saying? My philosophy is based on
>>>>> my experimentation in classrooms across the U.S. with children of all
>>>>> learning abilities and ethnicities. Even a child with autism, or
>>>>> mental retardation has a brain which can be challenged and expanded.
>>>>> It may take longer, or several attempts in finding the best learning
>>>>> mechanism, but anything is possible. I also read quote books, and
>>>>> trust what people have done before me. If they say anything is
>>>>> possible, I believe it. I have seen myself lifted out of poverty,
>>>>> violence, and abuse to a new dimension of enlightenment. Because of
>>>>> the influence if teachers who told me that I was brilliant and
>>>>> believed in me, I was able to believe in myself. I remember performing
>>>>> a poem at an assembly in 5th grade. It was in front of everybody, the
>>>>> entire student body. I was scared to death, as I was constantly teased
>>>>> by other kids. My teacher encouraged me to jump, move, and dance while
>>>>> expressing my poetry. I thought I looked stupid doing these things,
>>>>> but after the assembly, teachers, students, and principals
>>>>> complimented me on my performance. This was a pivital point for me in
>>>>> my life. I realized that what others thought was not important, it was
>>>>> all about me. I have been labeled dumb, slow, retared, stupid,
>>>>> unintelligent, charcoal, homely, and ruined by Ebonics. But because I
>>>>> believed I was brilliant, I continued to overcome obstacles to life.
>>>>> Life is a learning experience. I thank God that I am 25 years old, and
>>>>> have made it out the projects of Chicago. Although others around me--
>>>>> my brother, sister, father, and mother were plagued by drug abuse,
>>>>> illness, and prison life, I was able to accomplish many things before
>>>>> the age of 15, including starting my own motivational speaking
>>>>> company. I am evidence that all children are brilliant. I was dumb
>>>>> when I thought I was dumb. When I realized that my thoughts were
>>>>> powerful and that my environment was only external, I demanded change
>>>>> and got it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/03/07, hmmmm wrote:
>>>>>> sorry, can't tell you about "the secret" because i haven't read it.
>>>>> just saw the oprah
>>>>>> episode about it. sounds like what you are talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for the sarcasm. i'm done with you. talk about negativity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/03/07, SuccessFriend wrote:
>>>>>>> I have been trained by Teach for America and by the great Marva
>>>>>>> Collins of Chicago who has proven the fact that all kids are
>>>>>>> brilliant. Based on your remedial response, I understand why you
>>>>>>> believe what you believe. You don't even believe in yourself, let
>>>>>>> alone in a beautiful child full of potential. Your belief system
>>>>>>> is damaged with negative thinking. I read a variety of materials,
>>>>>>> including John C. Maxwell, Napoleon Hill, the Bible, Wayne Dyer,
>>>>>>> Malcolm X, Harry Wong, and the list goes on and on. I have heard
>>>>>>> of the "Secret" but haven't had the opportunity to read it. Can
>>>>>>> you tell me more about it, since you know so much about it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/02/07, hmmm wrote:
>>>>>>>> what i'm hearing you type is that all people have the same
>>>>>>>> capability to learn, and that's simply not true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sounds like you've been reading "the secret".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/02/07, SuccessFriend wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Brilliant is the correct terminology. Children are brilliant
>>>>>>>>> because they have the potential to learn as much and as
>>>>>>>>> quickly as any adult. Children are sponges. With the right
>>>>>>>>> adult influence in their lives and the will to do it, they can
>>>>>>>>> explore many possibilities. Intelligence is not a measurable
>>>>>>>>> thing, although many try to measure it. Because the mind is
>>>>>>>>> always expanding, your so-called intelliegence level changes
>>>>>>>>> daily, as with every cell in your body. No one stays the same
>>>>>>>>> unless they are not allowed to explore their brilliance.
>>>>>>>>> Intelligence is more that memorizing facts and doing basic
>>>>>>>>> mathematical operations. It involves intuition and creativity,
>>>>>>>>> which every human being possesses. We do not allow our
>>>>>>>>> children in America to feel capable because we are too busy
>>>>>>>>> pointing out their weaknesses. When in fact we should be
>>>>>>>>> focusing on their stregths. One may "appear" to be more
>>>>>>>>> intelligent than the next, when in reality we all are unique
>>>>>>>>> individuals. We all learn in different ways. We cannot
>>>>>>>>> categorize ourselves as disabled because we are not presented
>>>>>>>>> information in our appropriate mode of learning. Who are we to
>>>>>>>>> judge? We are all uniquely brilliant, even if we don't believe
>>>>>>>>> it. The reason I KNOW that I am brilliant is because I believe
>>>>>>>>> it. The reason I KNOW every child is brilliant is because I
>>>>>>>>> believe it. The children I encounter are brilliant because I
>>>>>>>>> help them to see why they are uniquely brilliant. They were
>>>>>>>>> created from the same material as Einstein, Bill Gates, Oprah
>>>>>>>>> or any other successful person. We all come to the Earth on a
>>>>>>>>> clean slate. Our beliefs about ourselves determine how
>>>>>>>>> intelligent we actually become. Intelligence is not only in
>>>>>>>>> the mind, it begins in the heart. If you believe you are
>>>>>>>>> smart, then you are. You will begin to behave in such a way to
>>>>>>>>> harmonize with being a smart person. If you believe you are
>>>>>>>>> dumb, then you will begin to behave in a "dumb" manner. Its
>>>>>>>>> all about perception. I want to open all of our eyes as
>>>>>>>>> educators to understand that ALL KIDS ARE BRILLIANT. The
>>>>>>>>> future is full of possibilities. Look at Dr. Ben Carson who
>>>>>>>>> was labeled special ed. Look what he has become just through
>>>>>>>>> the sheer determination of his mother, who always told him how
>>>>>>>>> smart he was. If you tell kids they are smart, they will have
>>>>>>>>> no choice but to eventually believe it. But if you continue to
>>>>>>>>> tell children that the person sitting next to them
>>>>>>>>> is "smarter" because he passed the test with a 90&37; average,
>>>>>>>>> then you are sending a strong negative message. You are saying
>>>>>>>>> that some are born smart, and others dumb. That couldn't be
>>>>>>>>> farther from the truth. Again, until you believe that you are
>>>>>>>>> brilliant, how can you see the brilliance in any other human
>>>>>>>>> being. We cannot sit around and judge others based on our own
>>>>>>>>> DISability to see life as what it really is. People are all
>>>>>>>>> the same in the core, and every person is full of
>>>>>>>>> possibilities. It is when you believe that something isn't
>>>>>>>>> possible that you give up on life. Let's not give up on our
>>>>>>>>> children by labeling them and hinting around about Bell curves
>>>>>>>>> and other antiquated psychology. We are in the information
>>>>>>>>> age, not the industrial age. The education system is 40 years
>>>>>>>>> behind, and it shows by the opions expressed by educators who
>>>>>>>>> have little vision. Lets clear our goggles and see children
>>>>>>>>> for what they really are---BRILLIANT!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/07, hmmmm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> saying that all children are "brilliant" sounds to me like
>>>>>>>>> saying that all children
>>>>>>>>>> are "special." if everyone's special, then special loses
>>>>>>>>> its actual meaning and
>>>>>>>>>> negates itself, making no one actually special.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> imho, defining brilliant as "all children have talents" is
>>>>>>>>> more accurate. but in
>>>>>>>>>> terms of pure intelligence, i disagree. i see evidence of
>>>>>>>>> the 'ol bell curve every
>>>>>>>>>> year. not every student is intellectually brilliant, but
>>>>>>>>> they all have a talent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/28/07, Success Friend wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Our children in America are being cheated in many ways. I
>>>>>>>>>>> want you to first remember who is teaching our children---
>>>>>>>>>>> children who have increased in age and who probably
>>>>>>>>>>> received the same public education growing up. These
>>>>>>>>>>> former public education students are now given the
>>>>>>>>>>> label "teacher," because of a 4-year degree and a state
>>>>>>>>>>> teaching licensure. No matter how "educated" a teacher
>>>>>>>>>>> appears to be, it does not guarantee that he or she is an
>>>>>>>>>>> effective teacher. An effective teacher is able to teach
>>>>>>>>>>> well because he or she is constantly learning right along
>>>>>>>>>>> with the students. Teachers have seemed to lose their
>>>>>>>>>>> ability to learn. Why do I say this? Well, because
>>>>>>>>>>> students are rapidly changing, so should our methodology
>>>>>>>>>>> for teaching students must change as well. The students
>>>>>>>>>>> you have this year are very different from the students
>>>>>>>>>>> you taught 5 years ago. The truth is that EVERY student is
>>>>>>>>>>> very different from the next. Therefore, an individualized
>>>>>>>>>>> instructional plan is neccessary to help students learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that we are too quick to label our
>>>>>>>>>>> students "special education" because of low performance on
>>>>>>>>>>> standardized tests. I know for a fact that EVERY child,
>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of his or her perceived disability is
>>>>>>>>>>> BRILLIANT! Until we collectively as a community start to
>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the brilliance of our children, then they will
>>>>>>>>>>> continue to perform at a low capacity. We are too busy
>>>>>>>>>>> looking for our children's disabilities rather than their
>>>>>>>>>>> abilities. With that said, teachers should especially
>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the brilliance of their students and treat them
>>>>>>>>>>> as such. Just because little Johnny doesn't analyze
>>>>>>>>>>> mathematical equations with the same accuracy as Jackie
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean that Jackie is more intelligent than Johnny.
>>>>>>>>>>> It only means that Johnny has some other talent--like the
>>>>>>>>>>> drawings he makes in his notebook that his teacher
>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly asks him to "put away." When you ask kids to
>>>>>>>>>>> surpress their God-given talents and focus on some other
>>>>>>>>>>> skill they have no enjoyment or interest in, then you are
>>>>>>>>>>> creating an unhappy and unproductive child.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only until we start to learn how to adapt state standards
>>>>>>>>>>> to a child's given talent, we will continue to subject our
>>>>>>>>>>> children to hell in the classroom. It must feel like hell
>>>>>>>>>>> to sit in a school for 6 hours a day and learn absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing! The left-brain focused curricula of most public
>>>>>>>>>>> schools neglects the right -brain potential of every
>>>>>>>>>>> student. Every student can learn how to think. They first
>>>>>>>>>>> have to believe in their brilliance, then learn to use
>>>>>>>>>>> their talents to increase their knowledge and potential
>>>>>>>>>>> for success.

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• Re: Words of wisdom from Dr. Prochillo, 7/07/07, by LEE/MA.
• Re: Words of wisdom from Dr. Prochillo, 7/09/07, by AND the reality is....
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• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/02/07, by hmmmm.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/02/07, by SuccessFriend.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/02/07, by hmmm.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/03/07, by SuccessFriend.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/03/07, by SuccessFriend.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/03/07, by hmmmm.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/03/07, by Success Friend.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/03/07, by me.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/03/07, by success friend.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/09/07, by Wow.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/09/07, by Success Friend.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 8/10/07, by Wow.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 11/09/07, by Hi Success!Praise GOD for teachers like you!.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 11/09/07, by You freaking dummy! Stretch your brain for once..
• Re: Words of wisdom from Dr. Prochillo, 11/09/07, by Yeah sure..
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 11/09/07, by MY GOODNESS! She didn't say that..
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 11/09/07, by Thank goodness for Success.
• Re: Teachers Have Learning Disabilities--Not Students!, 11/09/07, by Success, you are one brilliant sister! Kids need you.