Re: Nice post Bear

Posted by Dave Clark on 1/11/05

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Credibilty might have been achieved if you all had not distorted
this post. First off where is Bill Clintons name, he ran to
England to avoid the draft. Michael Moore did not serve, Ted
Kennedy, charged and found guilty of drunk on duty, 1952. I have
numerous other prominent names like Gray Davis, who forged a
medal and had it taken away. If you want to be honest nad bot try
and distort through these false hoods, tell all the truth, and
not just what you want people to see. Are you all realy teachers?
I think not!

On 12/23/04, Dean wrote:
> Hi Alaric
> I responded to what you have termed the "nice job" that Bear
> did way back in October. I have provided it below in case you
> missed it:
> On 10/21/04, Dean wrote:
>> Howdy Bear-
>>
>> The stench of irrelevancy permeates your posting. You are
>> apparently unaware that military service, while honorable,
>> necessary, and appreciated by all freedom-loving Americans,
>> is not a prerequisite for a political career.
>>
>> It does not matter whether a politician has served in the
>> military. What matters is how a politician executes his or
>> her responsibilities as it relates to the use and morale of
>> the military. As such, what is the point of your posting?
>>
>> Further, I would suggest that the derogatory comments
>> publicly made by Mr. Kerry about his military brethren have
>> done little to earn the respect of many (probably most) of
>> our soldiers and veterans. I would further suggest that Mr.
>> Clinton, who is on record as having demonstrated against our
>> country while he was visiting foreign soil, also managed to
>> alienate many our men and women in uniform. I of course do
>> not need to remind anyone that these two gentlemen are
>> associated rather intimately with the Democratic Party. (Of
>> course, Bill has apparently been intimate with a lot of
>> people over the years—even when he was supposed to be
>> conducting the country’s business in the Oval office. But
>> of course that is another story.)
>>
>> As for the last paragraph of your posting, there are indeed
>> legitimate arguments against re-electing Mr. Bush for
>> another term: the explosive growth of discretionary
>> spending under his watch and enacting the intrusive and
>> ineffective No Child Left Behind Act, are a couple of them.
>> However, thoughtful citizens must view Bush’s known
>> shortcomings in the context of our only other alternative
>> for President, John Kerry.
>>
>> To state it bluntly, it is a mistake to view Kerry as an
>> upgrade or even an equal to Bush. Mr. Kerry’s flaws are not
>> only more fundamental than those of Mr. Bush, but they are
>> also more dangerous.
>>
>> Take a critical look at Mr. Kerry’s long and undistinguished
>> career as an employee of Uncle Sam:
>> 1. Upon returning from service in Viet Nam, Kerry publicly
>> equated our military with the armies of Genghis Khan. In so
>> doing, he not only insulted American soldiers who were doing
>> nothing more than serving their country as they had been
>> asked to do, but he also served the purposes of our
>> country’s enemies. (Kerry as Commander-In-Chief? I don’t
>> so.)
>>
>> 2. As a U.S. Senator for some 20 years, it is difficult—
>> perhaps impossible—to name Kerry as the author of any
>> significant piece of legislation. (One must admit that 20
>> years is a darn long warm-up period.)
>>
>> 3. Kerry has been consistently wrong about national
>> security issues while occupying his Senate seat. He favored
>> a nuclear freeze in the early 1980’s—if such a freeze had
>> been enacted it would have blocked the subsequent European
>> missile deployment which in turn aided in bringing the
>> Soviet Union war machine to bay.
>>
>> 4. Kerry opposed Mr. Reagan’s military support of forces in
>> Central American countries that are now democracies as a
>> result of that support.
>>
>> 5. Kerry voted against the 1991 Gulf War even though the
>> elder President Bush secured UN approval to militarily oust
>> Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, enlisted 34 countries to assist
>> in the effort, and arranged for other countries to pay for
>> most of the military operations. (This seems grossly
>> inconsistent with Kerry’s stated position that conflicts of
>> this nature need to meet what he has termed a “global
>> test”. Let’s face it—if the ‘91 Gulf War didn’t meet
>> a “global test” in Kerry’s eyes, then I can’t imagine one
>> that ever would.)
>>
>> Stacking Mr. Kerry’s long public record against that of Mr.
>> Bush should make the choice easy for most people, assuming
>> that they care about America’s physical security. Given the
>> post 9/11 terrorist reality, America needs a President who
>> is more likely to resist than to appease. The proper choice
>> is thus Mr. Bush.
>>
>> I am also encouraged by Mr. Bush’s stated goal to privatize
>> portions of the Social Security Program in his 2nd term.
>> Our entitlement spending programs need a major overhaul if
>> they are to remain viable. Done properly, privatization
>> would dramatically shrink federal expenditures and promote
>> individual responsibility on the part of beneficiaries.
>> These things are needed to shore up America’s economic
>> foundation from a long-term viewpoint. Again, the proper
>> choice is Mr. Bush.
>>
>> -Dean
>
>
> On 12/20/04, Alaric wrote:
>> Nice job, Bear. I wonder if any conservatives will ever
>> figure this one out?
>>
>> On 10/21/04, Bear wrote:
>>> Why are the warlike Republicans on the wrong list here?
>>>
>>> DEMOCRATS:
>>> * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
>>> * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
>>> * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
>>> * Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971
>>> as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
>>> * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor,
>>> Vietnam.
>>> * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
>>> * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze
>> Star
>>> with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
>>> * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star,
>>> Korea.
>>> * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &
>>> Bronze Star: Vietnam.
>>> * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
>>> * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
>>> * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army
>>> Reserve 1979-91.
>>> * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and
>>> seven campaign ribbons.
>>> * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam,
>> DFCs,
>>> Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
>>> * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart,
>>> Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
>>> * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple
>>> Heart.
>>> * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in
>>> Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
>>> * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
>>> * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
>>> * Chuck Robb: Vietnam
>>> * Howell Heflin: Silver Star
>>> * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
>>> * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments.
>>> Entered draft, but received #311 in the lottery.
>>> * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
>>> * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
>>> * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal
>> with
>>> 18 Clusters.
>>> * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
>>> Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> REPUBLICANS:
>>> * Dick Cheney: did not serve. five deferrments, the last
>>> by marriage.
>>> * Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
>>> * Tom Delay: did not serve.
>>> * Roy Blunt: did not serve.
>>> * Bill Frist: did not serve.
>>> * Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
>>> * Rick Santorum: did not serve.
>>> * Trent Lott: did not serve.
>>> * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to
>> teach
>>> business.
>>> * Jeb Bush: did not serve.
>>> * Karl Rove: did not serve.
>>> * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man
>> who
>>> attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
>>> * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
>>> * Vin Weber: did not serve.
>>> * Richard Perle: did not serve.
>>> * Douglas Feith: did not serve.
>>> * Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
>>> * Richard Shelby: did not serve.
>>> * Jon Kyl: did not serve.
>>> * Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
>>> * Christopher Cox: did not serve.
>>> * Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
>>> * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight
>>> instructor.
>>> * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year
>>> National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could
>>> campaign for family friend running
>>> for U.S. Senate; failed
>> to
>>> show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
>>> * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-
>>> combat role making movies.
>>> * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting
>> was
>>> over in Korea.
>>> * Phil Gramm: did not serve.
>>> * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of
>> Merit,
>>> Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
>>> * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
>>> * John M. McHugh: did not serve.
>>> * JC Watts: did not serve.
>>> * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although
>>> continued in NFL for 8 years.
>>> * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National
>>> Guard.
>>> * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
>>> * George Pataki: did not serve.
>>> * Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
>>> * John Engler: did not serve.
>>> * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
>>> * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PUNDITS & PREACHERS:
>>> * Sean Hannity: did not serve.
>>> * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal
>>> cyst.')
>>> * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
>>> * Michael Savage: did not serve.
>>> * George Will: did not serve.
>>> * Chris Matthews: did not serve.
>>> * Paul Gigot: did not serve.
>>> * Bill Bennett: did not serve.
>>> * Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
>>> * John Wayne: did not serve.
>>> * Bill Kristol: did not serve.
>>> * Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
>>> * Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
>>> * Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
>>> * Ralph Reed: did not serve.
>>> * Michael Medved: did not serve.
>>> * Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
>>> * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things
>>> that don't shoot back.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>>> -----------------------------
>>> Bush can't run on his record. After all, he's lost 1
>>> million jobs, turned record budget surpluses into record
>>> deficits, squandered the world's goodwill, and used
>>> America's foreign policy to reward Republican fat cat
>>> campaign contributors while sticking you with the bill for
>>> his failures.
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>>> -----------------------------

Posts on this thread, including this one

• where were the warlike Republicans, 10/21/04, by Bear .
• Re: where were the warlike Republicans, 10/21/04, by Dean.
• Re: Dean we miss you., 11/09/04, by Stan.
• Re: Nice post Bear, 12/20/04, by Alaric.
• Re: Nice post Bear, 12/21/04, by problem alaric.
• Re: Nice post Bear, 12/21/04, by Another problem- since when is military service required?.
• Re: Nice post Bear, 12/23/04, by Dean.
• Re: where were the warlike Republicans, 12/30/04, by Dad of girls.
• Re: Nice post Bear, 1/11/05, by Dave Clark.