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by Deb ms/IA

Jan 10, 2017

Yes, Trump has flaws. I see him as one of the good old boys who can crack a cru de joke and speaks his mind whenever and wherever he chooses. I don't see these as major flaws as does the liberal progressive. I see him as human and willing to bring about some real change instead of fake change. That smile pretty and make a fancy speech promising the moon doesn't cut it with real, working people.

You worried about his woman iz ing? I'm not. If he had said that locker room talk around me or my daughters I would have laid into him and thrown it back in his face. I also was raised and taught my daughters you don't throw yourself at men for anything. Too many liberals shrink to a challenge and then don't make a stand directly at it. I do that when curtailing locker room talk with middle school children.

Worried about his rela tions overseas? I'm not he has actually done deals with many countries overseas. He knows their economies and government structures far better then Ob...See More

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Sad I'm 70 yrs old and have voted in every election since I
turned 21 (voting age back then). In that time I have
voted for both Republican and Democratic candidates
including presidential candidates. I didn't really get
into politics though until the advent of the internet and
the 24/7 news cycles on cable TV....which for me occurred...See More

Jan 10, 2017

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I'm with you, "Sad". Thanks for voicing what many are thinking.

On 1/10/17, Sad wrote: > I'm 70 yrs old and have voted in every election since I > turned 21 (voting age back then). In that time I have > voted for both Republican and Democratic candidates > including presidential candidates. I didn't really get > into politics though until the advent of the internet and > th...See More thinking.

On 1/10/17, Sad wrote: > I'm 70 yrs old and have voted in every election since I > turned 21 (voting age back then). In that time I have > voted for both Republican and Democratic candidates > including presidential candidates. I didn't really get > into politics though until the advent of the internet and > the 24/7 news cycles on cable TV....which for me occurred > about 25 yrs ago. Through all those years I would of > course develop a view of which party's candidate was the > better one "in my opinion". Except for my husband, > parents, and eventually adult children, I never had a clue > on how anyone else might be voting, and really didn't care > as it didn't ever change my feelings about the other > person. Conversations seldom included talk about politics. > > I became a very avid critic of George W Bush based on what > I heard and read, but again, if a friend, relative, or > acquaintance thought differently it really had little to > no impact on what I thought about that person. Now, during > and since Trump's campaign and election, that has all > changed. I simply and truly cannot understand how ANYONE > could just dismiss everything that we saw with our own > eyes and ears (not just rumors or innuendo) that the man > has said and done, and with his daily tweets continues to > do!!!!! I am SO disappointed and with my fellow man and my > fellow countrymen. I cannot just ignore anymore finding > out which of my small world friends, family, etc support > this man. How could this have happened in my country??? It > colors so much of how I now perceive people. Since the > election I have just pulled away from anything > political......it hurts too much to realize there's > nothing I or anyone can do to avoid the catastrophe I fear > is coming. Nothing in my llifetime has prepared me for > this.....the fear and helplessness is tantamount to the > fear I felt as a 16 yr old as I listened and read a bout > the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was petrified then and I'm > petrified now. I want desperately to give Trump and chance > and believe that those me who are about to have the future > of this country in their hands could not and will not do > anything to destroy this country that I've had such pride > in, the country I taught my kids to love and respect, and > the country I've loved. Before, when my favored candidate > lost, it was easy to shrug my shoulders and go on with my > life confident that though he might not have been my first > choice, the winning candidate would still steer the > country in the relative right direction to benefit me, a > simple member of the working middle class. This time I > just can't. I'm scared.

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Cha Cha On 1/10/17, Sad wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>if a friend, relative, or > acquaintance thought differently it really had little to > no impact on what I thought about that person. Now, during > and since Trump's campaign and election, that has all > changed.

I may be able to shed some light on your...See MoreOn 1/10/17, Sad wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>if a friend, relative, or > acquaintance thought differently it really had little to > no impact on what I thought about that person. Now, during > and since Trump's campaign and election, that has all > changed.

I may be able to shed some light on your questions. I have read this board long enough to know Deb/Iowa and although she and I disagree on almost everything- religion, women's rights/abortion, and other politics, I know that she is a patriot. Questioning another American's patriotism is the ultimate instigation of hate and divisiveness that led to the election of Trump in the first place. The Racist Card, the Xenophobe Card, and the Patriot Card are the desperate devices that a person who cannot debate intelligently resorts to.

>>>> I cannot just ignore anymore finding > out which of my small world friends, family, etc support > this man.

Why not try to UNDERSTAND them?

>>>>How could this have happened in my country???

From the analyses I've read, how it happened was that Hillary did not campaign in the Rust Belt states that brought the electoral college votes to Trump.

And if you are really, truly, genuinely interested in understanding any of this, then you will accept the fact that many of the people in those states voted for OBAMA, TWICE. It is not logical and scientific that they could have turned into the evil fools that liberals like to believe they are. They turned to Trump because they felt like they had to, and had little more to lose.

>>>>>>....the fear and helplessness is tantamount to the > fear I felt as a 16 yr old as I listened and read a bout > the Cuban Missile Crisis.

>>>>>this country in their hands could not and will not do > anything to destroy this country

I lived through the Cuban Missle Crisis, too. I know what having a good leader is like, although JFK made a few mistakes, too. I also have lived in neighborhoods that were overrun and destroyed by illegal immigrants. It is really not difficult to put yourself in the shoes of Americans who have seen their nation do nothing about immigration problems for decades if you simply just try to imagine it for a few seconds. When you do, you can better understand why they might vote for someone who SOUNDS like he will do something to solve the problem. It is not difficult, if you try, to understand that to Trump voters, LIBERALS are trying to "destroy this country". I didn't vote for Trump but I believe that liberal Democrats are selling out the country (via loose immigration enforcement) in exchange for votes. You've only to observe the chaos in Europe, Brexit, and the rise of populist leaders to see that a country cannot survive a rapid, large influx of immigrants, (especially immigrants who whose religion won't allow them to assimilate).

I could go on, but I won't. I didn't vote for Trump but I understand why others did.

Jan 10, 2017

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Wow...really? Is this a joke? If not, I can't believe someone would seriously post this.

"Sad" wrote an excellent response in this thread. Like her, I can not for the life of me understand the gullibility of voters who either don't see or refuse to see the truth. The emperor has no clothes, but his supporters are too clueless to point that ou...See MoreIs this a joke? If not, I can't believe someone would seriously post this.

"Sad" wrote an excellent response in this thread. Like her, I can not for the life of me understand the gullibility of voters who either don't see or refuse to see the truth. The emperor has no clothes, but his supporters are too clueless to point that out to him. The rest of the population has tried to get you all to open your eyes and smell the coffee, but you prefer to call *pointing out the truth* sour grapes.

For your information, Trump DID say that locker room talk around you and your daughters...loud and clear over and over on television. Why didn't you throw it back in his face in the voting booth? Why did you whistle past the graveyard on your way to vote? The gross old creep lusts after his own daughter. Does that at least make your skin crawl?

You mentioned his relations overseas and that isn't a concern to you. LOL LOL Did you fall off a hay wagon?

Can you honestly be so naive that you think Trump is going to help people with jobs!? The man doesn't even pay the people who work for him! LOL LOL

Oh, gee whiz...never mind. You go ahead and you believe whatever that man and his family say, but some of us can think for ourselves and there is no way we are falling for his lies.

For the life of me, I don't know how he will find time to run the country when he STAYS on Twitter calling people names like a 5 year old child!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the First Lady, let's hope she can give up posing n*u*d*e long enough to attend political functions. That's classy, "ain't it"?

On 1/10/17, Deb ms/IA wrote: > Yes, Trump has flaws. I see him as one of the good old boys > who can crack a cru de joke and speaks his mind whenever and > wherever he chooses. I don't see these as major flaws as > does the liberal progressive. I see him as human and > willing to bring about some real change instead of fake > change. That smile pretty and make a fancy speech promising > the moon doesn't cut it with real, working people. > > You worried about his woman iz ing? I'm not. If he had > said that locker room talk around me or my daughters I would > have laid into him and thrown it back in his face. I also > was raised and taught my daughters you don't throw yourself > at men for anything. Too many liberals shrink to a > challenge and then don't make a stand directly at it. I do > that when curtailing locker room talk with middle school > children. > > Worried about his rela tions overseas? I'm not he has > actually done deals with many countries overseas. He knows > their economies and government structures far better then > Obama ever dreamed of knowing them. > > Worried about jobs? At least Trump knows what jobs are and > that the USA sorely needs a boost in the economy. > > The doom and gloom preached by Kathleen and Bob is > astounding. I disagreed with Obama on almost everything but > I wasn't cowering and disparaging in fear of the nation. > Grow up! > > Deb ms/IA

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T.E.C. - Iowa Cha Cha has the best line, "I didn't vote for Trump but I understand why others did." The same is true for me, although I view the reasons a bit differently. And yes, "Sad" had a nice post.

However, Sad speaks of the desire to believe that "the winning candidate would still steer the country in the relative right d...See More