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Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3

by Kinder Gal

May 15, 2009

leae, someone please explain the three Tiers that I've been hearing about. How does this fit into DIBELS, AIMSweb, and reading skils? Is Tier 1 the same as strategic?

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~~~~~~ ours has ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 5/17/09, :-) wait til your district demands the "math workshop model wrote: > On 5/16/09, Kinder Gal wrote: >> I had a feeling that is what the 3 tiers were about. What you >> just wrote perfectly described this past year. What a >> nightmare! In our RF program, we had 90 minutes of direct >> instruction which began wi...See MoreOn 5/17/09, :-) wait til your district demands the "math workshop model wrote: > On 5/16/09, Kinder Gal wrote: >> I had a feeling that is what the 3 tiers were about. What you >> just wrote perfectly described this past year. What a >> nightmare! In our RF program, we had 90 minutes of direct >> instruction which began with a warm up activity >> (rhyme/song/poem) daily oral language, phonemic awareness, >> phonics, high frequency words (fluency) comprehension, robust >> vocab and writing. The writing was not a part of the 90 minute >> program, but squished in somewhere in the day. The 30 minute >> groupings were also squished in somewhere in the day between >> speech kids going out (my speech kids were the intensive kids) >> and other specials. Scheduling this past year was a nightmare >> and I look for next year to be just as intense as this year >> was. I feel like I didn't get to my top kids at all. When >> putting kids into their various learning groups, I seemed to >> spend more time dealing with "outside issues" and maintaining >> some semblance of teaching tolerance and coping with others than >> teaching reading skills. >> >> Thanks for your input. Enjoy your summer! >> >> On 5/15/09, emma wrote: >>> On 5/15/09, Kinder Gal wrote: >>>> Pleae, someone please explain the three Tiers that I've >>>> been hearing about. How does this fit into DIBELS, >>>> AIMSweb, and reading skils? Is Tier 1 the same as >>>> strategic? >>> >>> >>> Tier 1 is your Core Reading Program in which you (at least at >>> my RF school)spend 90 minutes teaching to the entire class. >>> 30-40 min. are spent teaching whole group reading skills and >>> strategies from the Basal or Core program. Another 45 minutes >>> is spent teaching small groups and having literacy stations >>> going at the same time you have small group instruction. It >>> is a real juggling act but is a must at RF schools. Tier 2 is >>> a 30 minute time set aside to teach your struggling readers >>> who are classified as Strategic and Intensive. I have an >>> aide (interventionist) to help me at this time or it would be >>> almost impossible to get to all the children that I need to >>> focus on. While Tier 2 is going on, Benchmark readers are >>> going to literacy stations at their level-- another juggling >>> act and prep nightmare! Tier 3 refers to the 30 minutes set >>> aside to help the really struggling, at-risk, readers in an >>> intense tutoring time by the interventionists. DIBELS is our >>> reading test we use to see where the children are in their >>> fluency and what areas we need to focus on to get them >>> reading well. We have to progress monitor our Benchmark kids >>> once a month, our Strategic kids every 2 wks., and our >>> Intensive kids once a week. So much testing and prep but it >>> has brought our schools reading levels up. The only problem >>> is that the teachers are exhausted, stressed, and we don't >>> seem to have as much fun in teaching. I feel there's got to >>> be a middle ground somehow. I like the Tier system a lot but >>> I hate the prep and the organizational nightmare of so many >>> literacy stations. It has gotten rid of a few teachers who >>> were lazy and incompetent but not all of them. Personally, I >>> can't wait for the pressure of being an RF school to lighten >>> up.

Oct 14, 2009

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GO AWAY, RTI & NCLB & Dibels!!!!!!! Will education ever be the way it used to be & students learning like they used to?!

Oct 18, 2009

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Amen to that! On 10/18/09, GO AWAY, RTI & NCLB & Dibels!!!!!!! wrote: > Will education ever be the way it used to be & students learning like they > used to?!

Our jobs as teachers will never be the same! I'm all for helping the struggling child but don't tell me I have to DIBEL every kid to find the ones that need help. What happen to ...See More

Oct 20, 2009

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Kinder Gal I have quite a group of youngsters that I am struggling to work with. My day is 90 minutes of reading, 40 min of math interventions. Then lunch/recess, math, phonics, and we are supposed to do 30 min of reading intervention with the lowest kids. I have way to many to put into one group...yet not enough time to put them into 2 groups. I have a para ...See MoreI have quite a group of youngsters that I am struggling to work with. My day is 90 minutes of reading, 40 min of math interventions. Then lunch/recess, math, phonics, and we are supposed to do 30 min of reading intervention with the lowest kids. I have way to many to put into one group...yet not enough time to put them into 2 groups. I have a para pro (who can not get it through her head what I want her to do). I have complained numerous times that insteady of 19 kids, I have 20. One quarter down, 3 more to go.

As far as working hard to make our kids successful, I would like to know WHEN parents will help their children learn their letters, counting, number recognition so that I can take get them to meet state standards. Good grief! I am NOT a miracle worker. I have just so much energy and time, NOT!

On 10/20/09, Amen to that! wrote: > On 10/18/09, GO AWAY, RTI & NCLB & Dibels!!!!!!! wrote: >> Will education ever be the way it used to be & >> students learning like they used to?! > > Our jobs as teachers will never be the same! I'm all > for helping the struggling child but don't tell me I > have to DIBEL every kid to find the ones that need > help. What happen to trusting the teacher's decision > and give the time and money to assist these strugglers > instead of constantly testing them and requiring us to > do the paperwork. RtI is a lovely concept with 15-20 > kids in a class, but how do you give that 2-3 Tier 2 > kids an extra 30 min. while the other 25 kids are > "independently" working? It seems to me that > all this extra testing is to identify those few that > need extra help, like we wouldn't know that. Energy, > time and money needs to be spent to make sure we have > qualified teachers in the schools and find out why > these kids are struggling. You'll find most of the > problems start at the home. Meanwhile, the kids who are > doing well and need advanced instruction are not given > the time because we're so busy pulling up the > strugglers. I'm pretty sure that's why we have LD and > Spec. ED. teachers. We are expected to work miracles.

Oct 20, 2009

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Math Gal You sound relatively negative and overwhelmed, and really aren't seeing the positive for youngsters in all of this reform. Is there any particular reason that you are teaching? clearly you don't like it and, frankly, you give the rest of us a bad image. So, please, consider another profession.

On 10/20/09, Kinder Gal wrote: > I have qui...See MoreYou sound relatively negative and overwhelmed, and really aren't seeing the positive for youngsters in all of this reform. Is there any particular reason that you are teaching? clearly you don't like it and, frankly, you give the rest of us a bad image. So, please, consider another profession.

On 10/20/09, Kinder Gal wrote: > I have quite a group of youngsters that I am struggling to > work with. My day is 90 minutes of reading, 40 min of > math interventions. Then lunch/recess, math, phonics, and > we are supposed to do 30 min of reading intervention with > the lowest kids. I have way to many to put into one > group...yet not enough time to put them into 2 groups. I > have a para pro (who can not get it through her head what > I want her to do). I have complained numerous times that > insteady of 19 kids, I have 20. One quarter down, 3 more > to go. > > As far as working hard to make our kids successful, I > would like to know WHEN parents will help their children > learn their letters, counting, number recognition so that > I can take get them to meet state standards. Good grief! > I am NOT a miracle worker. I have just so much energy > and time, NOT! > > > > On 10/20/09, Amen to that! wrote: >> On 10/18/09, GO AWAY, RTI & NCLB & Dibels!!!!!!! wrote: >>> Will education ever be the way it used to be & >>> students learning like they used to?! >> >> Our jobs as teachers will never be the same! I'm all >> for helping the struggling child but don't tell me I >> have to DIBEL every kid to find the ones that need >> help. What happen to trusting the teacher's decision >> and give the time and money to assist these strugglers >> instead of constantly testing them and requiring us to >> do the paperwork. RtI is a lovely concept with 15-20 >> kids in a class, but how do you give that 2-3 Tier 2 >> kids an extra 30 min. while the other 25 kids are >> "independently" working? It seems to me that >> all this extra testing is to identify those few that >> need extra help, like we wouldn't know that. Energy, >> time and money needs to be spent to make sure we have >> qualified teachers in the schools and find out why >> these kids are struggling. You'll find most of the >> problems start at the home. Meanwhile, the kids who are >> doing well and need advanced instruction are not given >> the time because we're so busy pulling up the >> strugglers. I'm pretty sure that's why we have LD and >> Spec. ED. teachers. We are expected to work miracles.

Mar 3, 2010

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