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NEEDED: Classroom Management Expertise!!!!!!!

by Ms.TeacherCreature

Mar 4, 2009

I'm back...:)

I'll try to make this is as short as possible...

I've taught for two years and still really, really struggle with certain areas of classroom management and would love ANY advice on the subject.

I've just moved the past year and am now forced to sub. with lack of jobs. I find many of the problems I have subbing were the same problems I had in my first two years of teaching, and these kids have only known me for a day!

I should preface this by saying that my personality with kids is very over the top, I am very positive, charismatic, etc. while teaching which energizes the kids, but almost to the point of lack of control.

I find that with following behaviors I am either TOO strict or not strict enough:

Voice level of students Off-task behavior/talking to friends Silly behavior

I'm asking for ANY advice on how to handle these situations. Do you enforce consequences every time one of the above behaviors occ...See More

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PedagoNet Have you examined these books

Mar 6, 2009

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helpingpeopleteachthemselves I worked with what were called "behavioral" children for several years, though I no longer do. I had some problems with discipline, but fewer than most people, so that other teachers would actually ask me how they could solve some of their problems. I don't have some magical, wonderful personality quality. What I said to these people is utterly tab...See MoreI worked with what were called "behavioral" children for several years, though I no longer do. I had some problems with discipline, but fewer than most people, so that other teachers would actually ask me how they could solve some of their problems. I don't have some magical, wonderful personality quality. What I said to these people is utterly taboo in most schools, and is actively opposed, covertly or overtly, in every school I have been in. Here it is:

I told these people that part of their problem was that they talked to one student one way, another student a second way, the principal a third way, other teachers a forth way, their family a fifth way, and fellow citizens in the community a sixth way . . . you get the picture.

This two-faced, or shall I say multi-faced behavior is something that nobody in their right mind can get a grounding in. If you put on a different personality for every person that you meet, who are you in the mean time? This is the kind of shifty, shady behavior that anyone with common sense is naturally weary of. When children see this behavior, they give back exactly what it is they think they're getting, which is disrespect.

I talked to my students the same way I talked to my own children. I simply assumed that, like me, they were people who were interested in not having their time wasted. I hate hearing the staff at my school speak to students in high-pitched, phony, sing-songy voices. What grown woman talks like that? What self-respecting adult squeals for 15 minutes about "not having our listening ears on"?

I now teach general ed (6th), but I fight a daily battle when it comes to being myself vs. acting out this superficial "Mrs. Teacher" role (which is widely known to be nonsense).

On 3/04/09, Ms.TeacherCreature wrote: > I'm back...:) > > I'll try to make this is as short as possible... > > I've taught for two years and still really, really struggle > with certain areas of classroom management and would love > ANY advice on the subject. > > I've just moved the past year and am now forced to sub. > with lack of jobs. I find many of the problems I have > subbing were the same problems I had in my first two years > of teaching, and these kids have only known me for a day! > > I should preface this by saying that my personality with > kids is very over the top, I am very positive, charismatic, > etc. while teaching which energizes the kids, but almost to > the point of lack of control. > > I find that with following behaviors I am either TOO strict > or not strict enough: > > Voice level of students Off-task behavior/talking to > friends Silly behavior > > I'm asking for ANY advice on how to handle these > situations. Do you enforce consequences every time one of > the above behaviors occurs? I know that sounds silly as the > main thing is consistency, but many teachers that I have > seen or observed aren't consistent and they just say things > like "Bobby, now is not a talking time." Yet the kid > stops... with me. I say that, enforce that, and they still > come back and do it again. > > So essentially, how do you handle these behaviors? I've > tried so many things and I know every class is different, > but I would like to know what has worked for you, over and > over again as well as what your consequences are. > > I stress consequences because I think I have a handle on > rewards and positive behavior support. I do a lot of > rewarding and recognizing good behavior and pointing it out > to others. Maybe there is too much of a good thing? > > All thoughts welcome!!! > > (Xposted on Primary Elementary)

Mar 7, 2009

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L I have found Barry Bennett's Instructional Intelligence approach very helpful. I also use tribes. I don't sub, so I don't know the effect both these would have in your situation, but I have been happy with the response I get from my classes

Apr 4, 2009

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Teach Okay, here goes. I don't agree with the no smile, stern, no positive comments, serious all the time, etc. Who wants to spend all day or an hour a day with someone who always has a stern look or scowl on their face?

Please get Harry K. Wong's book The First Day of School. It changed my whole perspective on teaching. You can have good lesson...See More

Apr 4, 2009

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Susan I've heard Harry Wong speak and his book is awesome. Routine is great for preventing headaches for both teachers and students.

For five years I have been using a management approach called "Learnball Teamwork." The website is [link removed].

Even though the sited stresses the importance of strictly following their program I have m...See More

Apr 6, 2009

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