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    Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0
    Posted by CTeacher on 7/16/08
    (25) Comments

    Yes, I agree...That is one of the reasons that I am hesitant to
    work in a charter school...You can't work up to tenure, so I will
    NEVER have a voice without the fear of losing my position.

    I am not a perfect teacher, but I work VERY hard to do the best
    job possible. I have a passion to teach and help students. I am SO
    tired of all the disgusting politics in education...That is what
    makes me want to quit. I used to (when I was a tenured teacher in
    another state)sit on interview committees. After the principal
    disregarded the teachers' choices several times, I told him that I
    would never be on another hiring committee. He would hire
    the "cheap" and "trainable" teachers before he would
    choose/consider an experienced one...Also, the last CO school that
    I subbed in had a principal who would make a fabulous politician.
    He had the charisma and smile, but he would treat young/new
    teachers like slaves. When he couldn't persuade the tenured/older
    teachers to be on the committees (IMO many were
    pointless/useless), do extracurricular sports/clubs, he pressured
    the already overworked/underpaid ones. So sad...One teacher cried
    that she really needed/wanted to be full-time, so she felt that
    she had to give in to the pressure of assuming more duties in the
    hopes that she would someday have a full-time job. :-(

    You are right about just smiling and going "with the flow". As
    soon as you give a weird look or ask questions about policies,
    principals pull out the question of whether you are a "perfect
    fit" for their school. So, you are correct about smiling
    and "going with the flow"...

    On 7/16/08, think you are smart to Cteacher wrote:
    > That gives you an idea of how bad a bad school or bad principal
    > can be. The problem for teachers is that it is difficult as a
    > teacher to do much about bad working conditions because
    > children are involved. In other professions, you can make
    > complaints and they will be more or lessly acknowledged by the
    > common person. But teachers work with children so bad
    > districts, schools, or admin can always throw in the child card
    > and muddy the discussion by claiming that their practices are
    > for the good of the children. So when they overwork the
    > teacher, it is for the good of the children and a teacher who
    > complains can be accused of not caring about the children. Same
    > thing applies whenever a teacher objects to any situation.
    > This has proven to be an effective argument in education. So
    > bad working conditions continue and are almost unchangeable.
    >
    > Can I give you the best piece of advice that I ever gave a new
    > teacher? My friend D started her first year teaching in Utah. I
    > told her about my experience. The best advice I gave her that
    > she thanked me for later and that really helped her have a good
    > year was this: Do not ever complain to admin about anything
    > until you have tenure. Instead, just don't do anything you
    > disagree with.
    >
    > The reason for this is because if you complain about their
    > policies or even just try to rationally explain to them why
    > their policy is not the best one, you will be seen as a boat
    > rocker instead of as a caring teacher who is trying to do the
    > best thing. And they will keep their eye on you forever after
    > that to make sure you are following every policy to the letter.
    > If you don't ever come to their attention, then you can
    > basically run your classroom however you want and they will not
    > have a clue because they don't have time to micromanage every
    > classroom as much as they want to. Basically, if you don't tell
    > them about it, then they won't know about it.
    >
    > Every once in a while, they will see something that you are
    > doing that is not how they want. When that happens, act stupid.
    > Tell them, "Oh, I'm sorry. I'm new. I didn't know. I was
    > confused. I'll change it immediately." Then you will have to
    > change that thing at least change it as much as you have to to
    > look like you are doing it their way. But you can still do
    > everything else your way until they find out about it.
    >
    > Admin does not like teachers who do not comply in every little
    > way. Actually, the truth is that you can comply in every way to
    > every directive of theirs and every instructional practice they
    > mandate but if you comply but voice a contrary opinion, they
    > will have it out for you--especially if you are new. When you
    > get tenure, then you can tell them you think there is a better
    > way or even to stick it sometimes. Until then, appear agreeable.
    >
    > This is how my friend D did it on my advice. And guess what. It
    > worked out perfect for her. She does what she thinks is best in
    > her classroom. Her principal loves her. Nobody has caught on
    > even once that she is not following all of their stupid
    > policies. Which is how I told her it would be. Of course, they
    > asked her back for a second year.
    >
    > The truth is that principals for the most part do not care how
    > really good you are. Most of them will fire a good teacher who
    > threatens their ego before they will fire an ineffective
    > teacher who make them feel like the great white chief. They
    > will only use your students not learning very much as a reason
    > to fire you if they don't like you. If you are a good teacher
    > and they don't like you, then they will say you are not a team
    > player or don't fit the school culture or they will just make
    > up stuff that isn't true. And if you question ANY school
    > policies, they will not like you. If you seem like you are
    > happy and going along with the flow, you will always fly under
    > the radar and the admin will not target you. Smile at
    > everybody. Never complain to anyone at the school unless you
    > make friends with a teacher you can truly trust. And make sure
    > they are not the type to go blab anything you tell them.
    >
    > I know this seems crazy. But I swear to you, this is how most
    > schools operate. I learned too late for myself how to play the
    > game. But I didn't learn to late to help my friends play it
    > well. If I ever taught again, I would certainly know how to do
    > it.
    >
    > Other educators will probably tell you I am off my rocker. But
    > I predicted to D if she played it this way then she would have
    > an easy year with no problems with admin and that is what
    > happened. Do YOU think I am telling you the truth?

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  • Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/15/08, by CTeacher.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by I think you are smart.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by Think you're smart.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by A MAJOR dilemma.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by think you are smart.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by Thanks for the advice....
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by think you are smart.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by think you are smart to Cteacher.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by CTeacher.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by think you are smart to Cteacher.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by CTeacher.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/16/08, by think you are smart.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/17/08, by CTeacher.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/17/08, by think you're smart.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/17/08, by For TYS.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/17/08, by think you're smart.
  • Re: Charter School Job...Pros/Cons?!?, 7/17/08, by For "TYS" and other charter school folks.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/17/08, by CTeacher.
  • Re: Charter School Job...Pros/Cons?!?, 7/17/08, by TYS.
  • Re: Charter School Job...Pros/Cons?!?, 7/17/08, by CTeacher.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/18/08, by Teacha.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/18/08, by They can fire you yes. You can quit....I doubt it..
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 7/27/08, by Not a bleeding heart.
  • Re: Few charter schools could "black ball" anyone, 7/27/08, by Even if they tried to. Charters can't have it both ways.
  • Re: Signed "Letter of Intent"...The job is a nightmare!:-0, 5/21/11, by Martin.