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    Re: Along the charter school discussion...Flagstaff Academy?
    Teach too

    OK, I just have to respond to some of your statements...

    They have enrollment for, and are planning to add additional full
    > classes (plus waitlist, in some cases more than enough to fill yet
    > another full class) in K, 1, 2, 3, 5, and multiple middle school
    > classes.

    You are "planning" to add...that means you still need to reign in some
    more students...From my experience and what I've heard from other charter
    school victims/teachers, charter schools that are desparate to fill seats
    are not picky when it comes to filling those seats with students that are
    academic/behavior issues in other schools. Yes, I do understand that most
    charters have to take every student they have room for. But, most charter
    schools do not have the resources (like the public schools) to accomodate
    special need students. Plus, since they do not pay as well as public
    schools, they end up with teachers who are fresh out of college and are
    not prepared to handle all the challenges that these students bring with
    them.

    The planned hiring does not include teacher attrition, it's
    > based on added classes.

    Of course it doesn't...who knows how many of the present teachers will
    stay after some of them have secured new jobs before the next school
    year...And, exactly why did your principal resign?!? That act alone
    leaves doubt in my mind that this is a stable charter school.

    John Irwin award in only the 3rd
    > year of operation, moving into a beautiful new facility next year, etc.

    Yes, you did receive the John Irwin award for the ELEMENTARY school. That
    is commmendable.

    A new beautiful building does not instantly mean a better school. It's
    the partnership of the teachers, parents, and administration (including
    the board)that help students to succeed.

    I think prospective teachers (and parents)REALLY need to do their
    homework and take a look at all the facts. Check the accountability
    reports on the district website...I think it's interesting that the
    Student Accountability Reports/SAR stopped listing teacher attrition rate
    (number of teachers that left the previous year). But, you can still get
    a great picture of the average salary compared to the district, and you
    can see how experienced the teachers are.

    Here's the links to Flagstaff's SAR reports for both the elementary and
    middle schools. Be informed and make your own decisions...

    http://reportcard.cde.state.co.us/reportcard/pdf/2008_0470_2964_E.pdf

    http://reportcard.cde.state.co.us/reportcard/pdf/2008_0470_2964_M.pdf

    On 4/24/09, teach wrote:
    > They have enrollment for, and are planning to add additional full
    > classes (plus waitlist, in some cases more than enough to fill yet
    > another full class) in K, 1, 2, 3, 5, and multiple middle school
    > classes. Plus additional specials teachers in PE, Music, Art,
    > Technology to accomodate the increased enrollment, plus new Pre-K
    > program. The planned hiring does not include teacher attrition, it's
    > based on added classes. Yes, the PR campaign has been strong this
    > year, and strong results help too. John Irwin award in only the 3rd
    > year of operation, moving into a beautiful new facility next year, etc.
    >
    > On 4/02/09, CO Teacher wrote:
    >>
    >> Terri,
    >>
    >> Then, for my own piece of mind, can you answer this question...
    >>
    >> What percentage of the present FA teachers are staying?
    >>
    >> It just seems hard to imagine that the school could be needing THAT
    >> many teachers...How many new students do you anticipate. Check the
    >> St. Vrain website. They are looking for AT LEAST 11 new teachers
    >> AND a new principal. Let's see...if you need about 15-20 students
    >> per teacher, then you are expecting AT LEAST 165 new
    >> students...Pretty optimistic, I must say! They must have some
    >> public relations/advertising campaign going on...Or, am I missing
    >> something?!?
    >>
    >> I am still wondering...I hope you can enlighten me...and others.
    >>
    >> On 4/02/09, Terri wrote:
    >>>
    >>> The reason the school is hiring a bunch of new teachers is that
    >>> it is expanding and moving into a new building. They are adding
    >>> new tracks in K, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and a preschool. A large number
    >>> of Flagstaff teachers recently presented at the recent CK
    >>> conference. (The most of any CK school).
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 4/01/09, The statistics in states that have studied their
    >>> charters wrote:
    >>>> On 4/01/09, COTeacher wrote:
    >>>>> Just an interesting note...Principal at Flagstaff resigns
    >>>>> (3/19/09)and now they are looking for a BUNCH of new
    >>>>> teachers in virtually every grade level and subject. Makes
    >>>>> you wonder...sure looks like more proof of the lack of
    >>>>> curriculum consistency and job security in the charter
    >>>>> schools!
    >>>>
    >>>> say that most charter school principals don't stay more than 2
    >>>> years (on average) and that they have double the teacher
    >>>> turnover of the public urban schools. So job security--no. By
    >>>> the way, most of the teachers who leave the charters never
    >>>> quit teaching instead of going to other schools. I think that
    >>>> is a good sign that they are traumatized by the experience
    >>>

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