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    Re: This is My Illinois
    Posted by: therealsped on 11/29/12
    (22) Comments

    On 11/27/12, Merrill wrote:
    > No, you are wrong. You haven't done any research on this and you are
    > talking out your backside as usual.

    Except troll that I'm an educator who has worked for four Illinois
    districts and have contributed to my retirement in three of those four
    districts. You are an internet troll looking to start arguments by
    coming on a teachers' website bashing teacher pay and retirement as
    excessive. I've lived it, and you've heard/read about stuff... but only
    enough to prove what you want to believe.

    > Do you think it
    > is right for someone working at WalMart to pay some teacher's
    > pension, when that teacher is making 90k+ a year?

    I think people who work at Walmart should organize into a union.
    Nationally, they would be one of the largest ever formed. They should
    then strike, forming picket lines in front of every Walmart store,
    shutting the company down. This vile company would then have to
    negotiate with their employees for decent wages and benefits, including
    retirement benefits. Then, when you say "someone working at WalMart,"
    it wouldn't instantly mean someone hopelessly poor.

    Your goal is to make everyone like Walmart employees. Anyone who works
    for a living should apparently be poor. Working for mere scraps off the
    table of the rich. You clearly have a problem with teachers making
    money. You think they should be paid minimal wages and benefits, much
    like Walmart employees. Ultimately, I suspect this is because you do
    not value education and what they do.
    >
    > Democrats whine about evil CEOs and their fat paychecks: at least
    > these CEO's are not using backroom, corrupt bargains to steal from me
    > directly! I am not forced to pay for Bill Gates' retirement!

    Democrats... put out this video, but they're the bad guys in your other
    troll adventures, I'm sure. You view teachers' wages and benefits as
    stealing. You can't be reasoned with. Any anti-teacher troll who comes
    to a teacher website to bash teachers can't be reasoned with. Because
    teachers bargain collectively, using something similar to economies of
    scale used by Walmart to negotiate with suppliers, you view them as
    corrupt. In fact, it is simply a case of individuals realizing that
    they can get a better deal when they stick together and bargain
    together, instead of playing individuals against one-another to exploit
    them, as you suggest.

    >As I said before, Illinois law
    > stipulates that a teacher must contribute to his or her own
    > retirement, and provides for an employer portion.

    Fine, every district that has negotiated trs pickup can simply give
    teachers a 9.4% raise and then deduct it from their checks. It works
    out the same. It is negotiated compensation. Of course, you don't
    believe that teachers should be paid, so there is no reasoning with you.

    >
    > People working at Starbucks shouldn't be paying for teacher's retirement.
    >
    They aren't. You still don't realize that you pay taxes. That ceases to
    be your money. The state (or other level of government) now controls
    that money. It is theirs. I know you don't like it, but oh well. Just
    as when your employer pays you, that money is no longer the employer's.
    It is yours. As an employer, the state and school districts in
    question must do nasty things like pay their employees. They even have
    to pay them above subsistence wages to get them to show up for work. I
    know you don't like it. You think these people should work for free, in
    chains, but it is not the case. Sorry troll.


    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • This is My Illinois, 11/20/12, by Elaine.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/21/12, by Merrill.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/21/12, by twiceshynow.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/24/12, by therealsped.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/27/12, by Merrill.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by therealsped.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by Merrill.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by anon.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by anon.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by Elaine.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by Merrill.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by Elaine.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/29/12, by therealsped.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/30/12, by Elaine.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/30/12, by anon.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/30/12, by anon.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 11/30/12, by Merrillv2.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 12/01/12, by Elaine.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 12/01/12, by therealsped.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 12/03/12, by Merrillv2.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 12/04/12, by therealsped.
  • Re: This is My Illinois, 12/05/12, by Merrillv2.