They also can't get a spouse's SS if the spouse dies.
On 11/30/12, anon wrote:
> All true. This troll Merrill doesn't understand the
> concept of deferred compensation or of contracts.
> The troll Merrill doesn't understand the very large
> percentage of workers in previous decades had defined
> benefit pensions and not the scams called 401(k)s, which
> were never designed to be pensions in the first place until
> Washington policies and loopholes made it easy for
> companies to renege on their obligations to their workers.
> We need a return to the pension system for workers, not
> make more workers impoverished.
> If Merrill thinks teaching is so easy, he can go ahead and
> go into it or into some other public sector job.
> Public sector workers are also taxpayers.
> On 11/29/12, therealsped wrote:
>> On 11/29/12, Merrill wrote:
>>> You say you have paid into your pension in three out
>>> of four districts? What about the fourth? Is Mandy
>>> down at Walmart picking up your pension now? Must be
>>> nice getting free retirement.
>> Mandy at Walmart isn't picking up my retirement. I
>> don't work for Mandy. I work for a school district
>> which is doing so. You don't seem to get the
>> difference. That's OK, most teacher have experience
>> with kids who just refuse to get it. BTW, I'm an
>> administrator and not a member of a union. This is
>> something that I personally negotiated in my employment
>> contract. Do you have a problem with this? I'm really
>> good at what I do...
>>> I'm sure you cry all the way to WalMart in your Lexus.
>> I don't shop at Walmart ever and I don't drive a Lexus.
>> I like how the VP of
>>> the teacher's union shows up at hard-core Marxist
>>> rallies, along with hundreds of teachers, in order to
>>> denounce the rich, threaten the government, and to
>>> call for revolution
>>> How can we expect these people to even be remotely
>>> objective or fair in the classroom? Radicals don't
>>> make good teachers.
>> Right Comrade, Marxism whatever. Teachers are entitled
>> to their political opinion. I know quite extreme
>> right-wing teachers as well. I also know very religious
>> teachers and believing in a guy who lives on a cloud
>> and judges everyone is a whole lot scarier to me than
>> someone who believes in taxing the rich to give to the
>> poor... like Jesus believed come to think of it. I'm
>> actually management, by the way. But I believe teachers
>> deserve good pay and the best way to achieve that
>> through being members of a union.
>>> No, it is not a "negotiated compensation"
>>> in the sense that the taxpayers had any input, or
>>> even KNOWLEDGE OF what was going on. It was a
>>> backroom deal that was partially responsible for
>>> bankrupting the pension system.
>> Tax payers have input when they elect school board
>> members. The school board then hires administrators who
>> negotiate contracts. The school board then approves the
>> contract. The United States is not a direct democracy
>> at any level of government and can't realistically be.
>> That would mean that the public would have to vote on
>> every single act of government. Not possible and not
>> the American system. You elect people to run various
>> levels of government. They do so. If you don't like it,
>> vote a different way or run yourself. However, most
>> school board positions are unpaid, and you probably
>> won't like running the school district yourself for
>> free, so you'll hire people to do it for you... and
>> you'll have to pay them.
>> Pension pick up hasn't bankrupted the pension system.
>> TRS is not the only pension system in trouble, and
>> there isn't pension pick up in every public system.
>> Pension pick up was actually paid into the system,
>> whether it was from the teachers directly or from the
>> school district. The systems are bankrupt because the
>> state didn't pay the money they were obligated to pay
>> over many years. THIS and only this is why the systems
>> are struggling. Had the state done what it was legally
>> required to do, then we would be in a much better spot.
>> Now, the state has screwed teachers and wants to screw
>> them further. However, you seem to think teachers are
>> communists who don't deserve any retirement. Your
>> constant invocation of Walmart proves you devalue
>> teachers and their work.
>>> Maybe you should start contributing to your own damn
>>> retirement and stop insisting that people working at
>>> the local WalMart pay for it. Parasite.
>> Parasite? I'm quite certain I've paid more property
>> taxes in the last year than you have in the last ten. I
>> own a large number of rental properties. I could retire
>> tomorrow and I'm not yet 40, and live comfortably on
>> that income. Whatever TRS benefits remain when I
>> actually do retire will be a supplement to a much
>> larger retirement package I've put together. You just
>> hate teachers and what they do. You likely hate cops,
>> firefighters and anyone else who works for government,
>> but its less popular to bash them.
>> We don't work for you. We work for school districts.
>> You get one vote, that's it. So vote in the next
>> election for state reps and school board members. We
>> aren't "stealing" from you. In fact, if you
>> want to take personal responsibility, you have
>> defrauded educators. The precious tax payers, through
>> your state representatives, have not funded the public
>> retirement systems for decades. The tax payers' elected
>> representatives made agreements, and now you dare to
>> shirk your agreements? Who is the parasite?