Hmmmmm. I think I already gave you an answer. You just don't like
it. Here is what I want.
1. Superintendents should have the option to permanently remove the
most violent and disruptive and dangerous students from their
classrooms, even from alternative classrooms. A student who is a
serious threat to harm other students or to harm teachers or to
seriously and repeatedly disrupt the education process should not be
in a public school. I'm surprised that you have a problem with that
concept. Apparently, though, you and Mr. Pastorek do have a problem
with that.
2. Such students should be turned over to the juvenile justice system
and/or social services system. They should do whatever those systems
decide is most appropriate for the student on a case by case basis.
I firmly believe school officials should have the right and authority
to protect the safety and basic human rights of children from the very
few students who are excessively dangerous or disruptive. Sometimes
you do have to leave a child behind. Otherwise you might cause
irrevocable harm to other children.
Are you willing to risk the life of a child by sitting the child in a
classroom next to a student who has proven to be extremely dangerous?
Apparently so.
On 4/09/08, johnv wrote:
> The problem with some teachers is that if you have no solutions, all
> you are doing in griping. Don't be part of the problem, be part of
> the solution. You speak in broad general terms about "violent and
> disruptive students" in general terms and you sure don't suggest any
> solutions. Again answer the question. What do you want done?
>
>
> On 4/08/08, bewildered wrote:
>> From the standpoint of a teacher, that is not relevant. It is
>> beyond my immediate concern, which is the safety and education of
>> my students. I want violent and disruptive students removed from
>> my classroom. The other students deserve it. Don't you think so?
>>
>> Now beyond that, if they are so violent or disruptive that they
>> cannot even be placed in an alternative school, then they need to
>> be placed in the custody of the state in some form, either into
>> the juvenile justice system or social services system.
>>
>> There are some students, particulary at the high school level, who
>> simply should not be allowed back into any public school setting.
>>
>> As for that story, it may have scrolled off the main pages into
>> the archives. You can research it yourself or look for House
>> Bills regarding school discipline at the Louisiana Legislature web
>> site, most authored by Mr. Trahan.
>>
>> On 4/07/08, johnv wrote:
>>> I understand your concern but you didn't answer my question.
>> What
>>> do you want done? Wher do you suggest they be placed? By the
>> way,
>>> I tried 4 time and can't get your link to work. Could be my
>>> fault.
>>>
>>> On 4/07/08, bewildered wrote:
>>>> I don't want them in schools. You cannot save every kid, but
>>>> you can make schools safer for the ones who want to be there.
>>>> Why take away the discretion from superintendents to choose
>>>> between sending the worst offenders to alternative school or
>>>> turn them over to the juvenile justice system? Even students
>>>> in alternative schools deserve to be safe from the worst
>>>> offenders.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/07/08, johnv wrote:
>>>>> Just curious. What do you want to do with them? (I assume
>>>>> they are not in prison.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/04/08, bewildered wrote:
>>>>>> Why does our state education superintendent want to take
>>>>>> away the authority of school districts to put violent
>>>>>> offenders out of our schools? Why does he insist that
>>>>>> they should be returned to schools? Who wants to teach at
>>>>>> a school with the most violent offenders, with dangerous
>>>>>> students? Who wants to send their children there? See
>>>>>> the link. The important things are at the bottom of the
>>>>>> story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
>>>>>> AID=/20080404/NEWS01/804040310
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