Re: 27,000 a year?
    Posted by: PsyGuy on 5/18/15
    () Comments

    Non-Profit status has nothing to do with the supply and demand.
    What you may be referring to is that they are government
    entities, which does not permit them to be as competitive in the
    labor market.

    Kindergarten is not harder work than teaching math to at risk
    students. Districts dont make or break AYP based on Kinder, they
    do with math, Sp.Ed and other STEM subjects.
    Kinder is coloring and playing all day with story-time with
    graham crackers and a juice box break. Kinder is practicing to
    be a mommy until having kids of your own.

    Why would it be unfair? Not all teachers are equal and not all
    subjects are equal, why should compensation be equal. Should a
    cardiac surgeon be compensated the same as a general
    practitioner working at Texas Med Clinic, they are both
    "doctors"?

    How is the step system any more fair. research has consistently
    shown that teachers "improve" significantly at 1 year, 2 years,
    and 4 years, past 5 years their is no appreciable difference in
    teacher quality and performance.

    On 5/14/15, anon wrote:
    >
    > Rules about supply and demand do NOT apply in public
    employment
    > because they are non-profits.
    >
    > It would be highly unfair to pay somebody more money because
    > they are math or science teachers than kindergarten, which is
    a
    > LOT harder work and which helps lay the groundwork for future
    > academic success.
    >
    > The ONLY fair compensation in the public sector is in the step
    > system.
    >
    > Your post is idiotic on its face.
    >
    > On 5/13/15, 27K No Way! wrote:
    >> There is a shortage of teachers in some fields that are
    >> willing to work for low teacher pay, like Spanish speaking
    >> ELL, STEM, sped... the list is pretty well known and it is
    >> similar around the country. These "shortages" would be
    >> cleared up if they raised the pay for these fields.
    >>
    >> Texas doesn't have collective bargaining for teachers, but it
    >> still makes the same mistake collective bargaining states
    >> make in simply having one salary for all teachers. Yes, some
    >> of it is based upon performance, but there is no recognition
    >> of the fact that there are sub-sets of teachers that have a
    >> very different labor market. There is simply a lack of
    >> intelligence when it comes to understanding supply and
    >> demand. A Spanish-speaking, HS Math teacher has a lot of
    >> other career options than a regular old elementary teacher.
    >> Not to say the elem teacher doesn't work hard, but hard work
    >> is not (typically) what results in higher pay in a free
    >> market...
    >>
    >> If the supply of teachers outstrips demand for their labor,
    >> then you must increase the supply by attracting more people
    >> into the field on a macro-level. That Spanish-speaking Math
    >> teacher, who has other options in, say: IT or engineering,
    >> might then be attracted to the field. The general ed
    >> elementary teacher... probably doesn't have that skill set
    >> and therefore their labor is not as scarce.
    >>
    >> On a micro-level, an individual district should increase it's
    >> pay for the type of teacher that is in short supply to
    >> attract what supply of labor does exist. A district
    >> superintendent at one ISD probably can't affect change that
    >> will bring more Math or Sped teachers into the overall labor
    >> pool, but they can pay more to attract the scarce labor to
    >> their classrooms. The problem is that they don't think about
    >> teachers in sub-sets. They think think they need to pay a
    >> "shortage" area teacher the same as a non-shortage area
    >> teacher, which makes pay increases insufficient to attract
    >> people in the shortage fields. You don't need to pay a gym
    >> teacher more..., there are already a hundred applicants for
    >> every position, but you might need to pay a STEM or sped
    >> teacher more because those classrooms could go unfilled.
    >>
    >> Regardless: I wouldn't teach any subject for 27K per year.
    >>
    >> On 5/01/15, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>> The presentation that there is a shortage of teachers is a
    >>> myth, there are a lot of teachers that will accept any job
    >>> that pays more than substituting (which at $80 a day for
    >>> 150 days is $12,000).
    >>>
    >>> On 4/24/15, 27k BS wrote:
    >>>> 27K is garbage pay and you'll attract garbage teachers at
    >>>> that salary... if that. You could make more in a call
    >>>> center or cubical farm without the BS involved with
    >>>> teaching.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/21/15, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>>>> Well yes and no. It is likely that your district/school
    >>>>> is adapting the state minimum salary schedule which is
    >>>>> $27,540 for step 0, however the salary schedule does
    >>>>> increase on average about $500 per year of experience.
    >>>>> You can find the state minimum salary schedule here:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>> tea.texas.gov/Texas_Educators/Salary_and_Service_Record/M
    >>>>> inimum
    >>>>> _Salary_Schedule/2014-2015_Minimum_Salary_Schedule/
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Anything more than that is whats referred to as "local
    >>>>> supplemental" salary, which your district can change or
    >>>>> eliminate entirely.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> As to why, there could be a number of reasons. First, is
    >>>>> to incentivise teachers to retire or resign, without
    >>>>> going through long and expensive grievance procedures.
    >>>>> Second, is if your district is implementing a "pay for
    >>>>> performance" or "bonus" salary program. You get the
    >>> state
    >>>>> minimum and depending on your student pass
    >>> (satisfactory)
    >>>>> and commended (advanced) numbers you get bonus pay,
    >>> which
    >>>>> may or may not exceed your conventional salary. Third,
    >>>>> your district may be experiencing a financial or
    >>>>> budgetary crises, perhaps they are anticipating a loss
    >>> of
    >>>>> federal funding, etc. There could be a number of other
    >>>>> reasons.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/18/15, Aeiou wrote:
    >>>>>> Can someone explain this? Does this apply to all
    >>> current
    >>>>>> employed teachers? What are they doing to do? Drop my
    >>>>>> pay to 27,000 after I made 40,000 a year? That is BS if
    >>>>>> so.....


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