Re: 27,000 a year?
    Posted by: PsyGuy on 5/18/15
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    Depends where you are, most public school districts in large
    cities start their salary scale in the mid $40,000 some rural
    areas offer state minimum which is about $27,000. You get
    health insurance as a basic plan and TRS retirement.

    On 5/16/15, ash wrote:
    > On 5/16/15, Payscale differ wrote:
    > I am looking to relocate to Texas and I want to know what
    the
    > Net pay is for Texas teachers. Can anybody help me out?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >> Payscales vary for subs and long-term subs in different
    >> districts. But teachers who ARE certified have to be paid
    >> the same level -, no matter what district / position
    >> you're in per Texas law. Schools with difficulties in
    >> filling hard to fill positions most likely will hire
    >> uncertified and not-yet certified teachers as short and
    >> long-term (year-long) with a promise of large sum payoff
    >> at end of contract as if they're certified teachers. This
    >> is a way of keeping contracts 'money attractive' to
    >> applicants instead of searching and paying already
    >> certfified teachers $40K annually at year zero.
    >>
    >> On 5/14/15, anon wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Rules about supply and demand do NOT apply in public
    >> employment
    >>> because they are non-profits.
    >>>
    >>> It would be highly unfair to pay somebody more money
    >> because
    >>> they are math or science teachers than kindergarten,
    >>> which is a LOT harder work and which helps lay the
    >>> groundwork for future academic success.
    >>>
    >>> The ONLY fair compensation in the public sector is in the
    >>> step system.
    >>>
    >>> Your post is idiotic on its face.
    >>>
    >>> On 5/13/15, 27K No Way! wrote:
    >>>> There is a shortage of teachers in some fields that are
    >>>> willing to work for low teacher pay, like Spanish
    >>>> speaking ELL, STEM, sped... the list is pretty well
    >>>> known and it is similar around the country. These
    >>>> "shortages" would be cleared up if they raised the pay
    >>>> for these fields.
    >>>>
    >>>> Texas doesn't have collective bargaining for teachers,
    >>>> but it still makes the same mistake collective
    >>>> bargaining states make in simply having one salary for
    >>>> all teachers. Yes, some of it is based upon performance,
    >>>> but there is no recognition of the fact that there are
    >>>> sub-sets of teachers that have a very different labor
    >>>> market. There is simply a lack of intelligence when it
    >>>> comes to understanding supply and demand. A
    >>>> Spanish-speaking, HS Math teacher has a lot of other
    >>>> career options than a regular old elementary teacher.
    >>>> Not to say the elem teacher doesn't work hard, but hard
    >>>> work is not (typically) what results in higher pay in a
    >>>> free market...
    >>>>
    >>>> If the supply of teachers outstrips demand for their
    >>>> labor, then you must increase the supply by attracting
    >>>> more people into the field on a macro-level. That
    >>>> Spanish-speaking Math teacher, who has other options in,
    >>>> say: IT or engineering, might then be attracted to the
    >>>> field. The general ed elementary teacher... probably
    >>>> doesn't have that skill set and therefore their labor is
    >>>> not as scarce.
    >>>>
    >>>> On a micro-level, an individual district should increase
    >>>> it's pay for the type of teacher that is in short supply
    >>>> to attract what supply of labor does exist. A district
    >>>> superintendent at one ISD probably can't affect change
    >>>> that will bring more Math or Sped teachers into the
    >>>> overall labor pool, but they can pay more to attract the
    >>>> scarce labor to their classrooms. The problem is that
    >>>> they don't think about teachers in sub-sets. They think
    >>>> think they need to pay a "shortage" area teacher the
    >>>> same as a non-shortage area teacher, which makes pay
    >>>> increases insufficient to attract people in the shortage
    >>>> fields. You don't need to pay a gym teacher more...,
    >>>> there are already a hundred applicants for every
    >>>> position, but you might need to pay a STEM or sped
    >>>> teacher more because those classrooms could go unfilled.
    >>>>
    >>>> Regardless: I wouldn't teach any subject for 27K per
    >>>> year.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 5/01/15, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>>>> The presentation that there is a shortage of teachers
    >>>>> is a myth, there are a lot of teachers that will accept
    >>>>> any job that pays more than substituting (which at $80
    >>>>> a day for 150 days is $12,000).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/24/15, 27k BS wrote:
    >>>>>> 27K is garbage pay and you'll attract garbage teachers
    >>>>>> at that salary... if that. You could make more in a
    >>>>>> call center or cubical farm without the BS involved
    >>>>>> with teaching.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/21/15, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>>>>>> Well yes and no. It is likely that your
    >>>>>>> district/school is adapting the state minimum salary
    >>>>>>> schedule which is $27,540 for step 0, however the
    >>>>>>> salary schedule does increase on average about $500
    >>>>>>> per year of experience. You can find the state
    >>>>>>> minimum salary schedule here:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >> tea.texas.gov/Texas_Educators/Salary_and_Service_Record/M
    >>>>>>> inimum _Salary_Schedule/2014-
    >> 2015_Minimum_Salary_Schedule/
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Anything more than that is whats referred to as
    >>>>>>> "local supplemental" salary, which your district can
    >>>>>>> change or eliminate entirely.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> As to why, there could be a number of reasons. First,
    >>>>>>> is to incentivise teachers to retire or resign,
    >>>>>>> without going through long and expensive grievance
    >>>>>>> procedures. Second, is if your district is
    >>>>>>> implementing a "pay for performance" or "bonus"
    >>>>>>> salary program. You get the
    >>>>> state
    >>>>>>> minimum and depending on your student pass
    >>>>> (satisfactory)
    >>>>>>> and commended (advanced) numbers you get bonus pay,
    >>>>> which
    >>>>>>> may or may not exceed your conventional salary.
    >>>>>>> Third, your district may be experiencing a financial
    >>>>>>> or budgetary crises, perhaps they are anticipating a
    >>>>>>> loss
    >>>>> of
    >>>>>>> federal funding, etc. There could be a number of
    >>>>>>> other reasons.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/18/15, Aeiou wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Can someone explain this? Does this apply to all
    >>>>> current
    >>>>>>>> employed teachers? What are they doing to do? Drop
    >> my
    >>>>>>>> pay to 27,000 after I made 40,000 a year? That is BS
    >>>>>>>> if so.....


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  • PDAS Stuff, 2/13/15, by Sovetis.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/14/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/14/15, by Sovetis.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/15/15, by my 2.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/16/15, by Formeradmin.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/17/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/17/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/18/15, by Aeiou.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/21/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/24/15, by 27k BS.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/27/15, by BS bs.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/01/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/13/15, by 27K No Way!.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/14/15, by anon.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/16/15, by Payscale differ.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/16/15, by ash.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/17/15, by 27k.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by Dave.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/19/15, by anon.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/19/15, by 27k.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/20/15, by PsyGuy.