Re: The Education System is FAILING
    Posted by: Huner on 7/03/14
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    It's not whether it is new or not,
    its the fact of the matter that there
    are some serious flaws in today's
    education system. To justify the fact
    that standardization from the Common
    core is more so beneficial than a
    modem of personalized education is
    absurd. Please explain how you
    justify that model, I'm really
    curious as about your reasons that
    back it up.

    On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a
    little behind the times wrote:
    > This philosophy - education mantra
    -- came out about 20 years
    > ago and has been tried in various
    ways since. Nothing
    > mentioned is new.
    >
    > On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
    >> I hope I'm not the only person
    here that realizes the
    > current education system is
    >> useless and a TOTAL waste of time
    for all of our students.
    > Often the blame is put
    >> on the teachers (which in some
    cases is absolutely valid),
    > but have people ever
    >> thought that maybe it's the
    curriculum?
    >>
    >> Education is not just a delivery
    system (like it is now),
    > it's supposed to be about
    >> teaching kids how to apply the
    concepts of the subjects to
    > real life applications.
    >> It's not about trying to remember
    & repeat. Tell me how
    > long your memory can
    >> hold onto information you find
    boring? Exactly, not long at
    > all. The chance of a
    >> student actually 100% remembering
    the things taught to
    > him/her, is slim to
    >> nothing. Instead of trying to
    teach the technicals to them,
    > lets teach the
    >> technicals, but with an emphasis
    on how to apply these
    > CONCEPTS & the process
    >> to real world problems.
    >>
    >> Here are the current problems with
    the education system:
    >>
    >> 1) There is no creativity & does
    not allow for individual
    > uniqueness
    >>
    >> 2) We deal with conditioned
    learning, the students can not
    > think for themselves!
    >> They're being taught what to
    think, instead of them finding
    > the answers on their
    >> own.
    >>
    >> 3) It's BORING, students HATE
    going to school! Lets change
    > that! You're not
    >> going to make it into a place they
    love to go to, but at
    > least lets make it
    >> enjoyable!
    >>
    >> 4) There are no classes that apply
    to different problems in
    > the real world.
    >>
    >> 5) After freshman year in high
    school, a lot of the
    > information is recycled from
    >> previous years!
    >>
    >> 6) Tests are way too standardized
    and determine whether the
    > student passes or
    >> not. They should HELP with
    learning, not DETERMINE the
    > student's fate.
    >>
    >> 7) Kids are not taught how to
    fail, and how to take risks.
    > They are scared to fail!
    >>
    >> 8) We try to teach kids while they
    deal with temptation
    > from technology.
    >> EMBRACE the technology, allow it
    in the class rooms, use it
    > as a tool for learning!
    >> We live in the 21st century, we
    have to adapt to the social
    > changes!
    >>
    >> 9) We tell students how to live in
    a democracy, instead of
    > having them actually
    >> participate in a democracy.
    >>
    >> ---Solutions (Open to revision &
    advice)---
    >>
    >> 1) Allow kids to work from their
    own point of view. Let
    > them learn in their own
    >> unique way.
    >>
    >> 2) Have them do more hands-on
    learning, labs, and
    > exercises. Make them draw
    >> their own conclusions & interact
    with the exercise to find
    > the correct answer.
    >> Don't just tell them what they
    need to know, make them
    > figure out how to find
    >> out what they need to know. For
    example: In math, don't
    > just give them a
    >> problem to work out, give them a
    visual of a real world
    > problem (like filling up a
    >> glass of water), then ask them how
    long it takes to fill it
    > up. Make them ask
    >> questions, intrigue their
    curiosity, and make them think
    > about what they need to
    >> figure out in order to solve the
    problem. They need to
    > figure out the dimensions
    >> of the glass, how much water is
    coming out of the faucet
    > per second, etc.
    >>
    >> 3) Let them have classes that
    pertain to their interests.
    > Less standardization, and
    >> more personalization! Why do you
    think they're bored at
    > school? Because they're
    >> being force fead stuff they don't
    care about. Let them
    > expand on their passion,
    >> allow them to study what ever it
    is their motivated about,
    > embrace their curiosity
    >> & allow them to feed that
    curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
    > thing that will promote
    >> learning, why are we shunning it?!
    Allow the learning to be
    > open to their
    >> uniqueness, allow for them to
    learn in their own way.
    >>
    >> 4) Make classes that apply to the
    world they will live in,
    > in just a few years. Such
    >> as, a class on taxes, opening &
    maintaining a bank account,
    > job interviews,
    >> parenting from a psychological
    standpoint (how different
    > tactics impact the
    >> development of a child), managing
    money, nutrition &
    > physicality, etc.
    >>
    >> 5) Allow students to take classes
    that pertain to them &
    > what they want to do. In
    >> high school, they will be
    graduating in a few years, and
    > most kids have NO idea
    >> what they want to do. Why not
    allow for students to take a
    > path that will help
    >> them find what they want to do
    while still in high school,
    > such as them taking
    >> courses towards their future
    career (and will make up most
    > of their curriculum),
    >> again, feed that curiosity! If
    they change their mind on
    > what they want to do,
    >> fine! They're young and still
    learning, and they're still
    > under the roof of their
    >> parents, what better time than to
    change your mind instead
    > of when you're off to
    >> college? (Yes, there will always
    be exceptions to this).
    >>
    >> 6) Tests should help the teachers
    know what the child is
    > having trouble with, not
    >> whether or not the student will
    advance to the next
    > grade/class. If they fail a test
    >> why is it that it fails them in
    the class, and makes them
    > scared to fail? Instead, if
    >> they fail a test, help them with
    their problems & get them
    > to figure out what they
    >> did wrong and to get them to think
    critically about how to
    > correct the mistakes.
    >> This is where you teach kids how
    to fail, how to mistakes,
    > and then how to be
    >> able to look at failures from a
    learning perspective in
    > order to make it better
    >> next time, not from a perspective
    of being scared to fail.
    >>
    >> 7) The above question pretty much
    answers this. Allow kids
    > to take risks & to
    >> fail without them being afraid of
    it. Look at all
    > entrepreneurs & people who have
    >> significantly impacted the world,
    do you think they were
    > scared to fail? Sure, but
    >> not to the point of where it
    inhibited them from trying.
    > How many of you have
    >> maybe wanted to pursue your
    passion, or a great idea, but
    > was scared to try?
    >> Probably many. Lets change that!
    Lets take that trait out
    > of our children and
    >> teach them how to embrace failing
    as a learning experience,
    > and not teach them
    >> to be scared of failing to the
    point they don't want to try
    > and take the risk. Teach
    >> kids how to fail, by getting them
    to fail.
    >>
    >> 8) Allow a trust between the
    teacher & the student to use
    > their cell phones
    >> during class. A trust that the
    student will use it
    > moderately in an adequate
    >> manner. When abusing of that trust
    starts to happen, THAT
    > is when disciplinary
    >> actions or compromises can take
    place. They suffer from
    > severe temptation from
    >> technology, just allow it! In
    other cases, use it as a
    > teaching tool! Have them get
    >> on their phones & find a way to
    incorporate it into the
    > lesson. Let them get on
    >> their favorite apps or websites,
    and find a way to
    > incorporate it into the lesson.
    >> We are in the 21st century, it's
    time to adapt.
    >>
    >> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a
    manner similar to a
    > democracy. Allow trust
    >> between the students and the
    governing body. You want to
    > teach kids how to be
    >> good members of society, and how
    to support a government of
    > democracy? This
    >> is how you do it. Make it
    adequate. Obviously they are
    > children and don't fully
    >> know how to behave correctly, but
    make it adequate to where
    > they have a say in
    >> their education and how things are
    ran. As they increase in
    > age from elementary
    >> to high school, increase the power
    they have. Why do we
    > feel we should run
    >> things that we think are best,
    when they are the students
    > that are actually the
    >> ones learning? They are not
    robots, we don't just program
    > to a
    >> schedule/curriculum that we think
    is best. They are humans
    > that need to have a
    >> say & make things better for
    themselves. They are the ones
    > in the learning
    >> process, they know how to make it
    work better than we do.
    >>
    >> --- What The Objectives of a
    School Should Be---
    >>
    >> Bring creativity back into
    schools. There need not be
    > punishment for failing &
    >> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just
    kids trying to do things
    > form their point of
    >> view, who are we to tell them why
    are wrong in doing that?
    > This allows to create
    >> leaders & innovators, instead of
    kids who are taught what
    > to think. They will now
    >> think for themselves and take
    advantage of their unique
    > abilities and creativity
    >> that they are born with. We need
    to recognize their talents
    > and let them expand
    >> on those talents.
    >>
    >> Create students that know how to
    think divergently, outside
    > the box, and how to
    >> recognize & solve problems.
    Education is not about just
    > remembering and
    >> regurgitating, it is about
    learning concepts of problem
    > solving, and being able to
    >> use concepts taught in school to
    apply in the real world.
    > Education is about
    >> inspiring one's mind, not just
    filling their head. The
    > objective is to intrigue
    >> students, get them curious, and to
    ask questions.
    >>
    >> Look at all majorly successful
    people and look at what they
    > have in common.
    >> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines),
    Elon Musk (SpaceX,
    > PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
    >> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs
    (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
    > (Facebook), Henry
    >> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do
    these people have in
    > common? They all have the
    >> ability to recognize a problem,
    and think critically to
    > solve that problem. Do you
    >> think it matters what they got on
    their 12 grade calculus
    > test? No. They all were
    >> not afraid to fail nor to take the
    risk. They all ventured
    > into the darkness to try
    >> something new, and to take a
    chance at creating something
    > big. This, along with
    >> the general curriculum, is what we
    need to teach our
    > children.


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  • The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/02/14, by AW -- I think you are a little behind the times.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/03/14, by Huner.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by answer.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by muinteoir.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by To AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
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  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy's argument is faulty.
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  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by don't sell our kids.
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  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by fight back now.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by Hunter.
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