Re: The Education System is FAILING
    Posted by: answer on 7/04/14
    () Comments


    I don't. Gramatically,the pronoun he or him can be used in cases
    of indeterminate gender.

    On 7/04/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    > How do you know Hunter is a him?
    >
    > On 7/04/14, to PsyGuy wrote:
    >> Please let Hunter speak for himself.
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/04/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>> Hunters "program" is to basically let teachers close their
    >>> door and do what they, the teacher thinks is best.
    >>>
    >>>> Hunter, I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas
    >>>> don't use it. Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he
    >>>> would have to enlighten you with CC's program is so
    >>>> beneficial.
    >>>>
    >>>> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
    >>>> are "general" and various comments may apply to some
    >>>> schools,
    >>> but
    >>>> I would guess that could be applied to any state or
    >>>> country. None of your comments apply to my school.
    >>>>
    >>>> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/03/14, Huner wrote:
    >>>>> It's not whether it is new or not, its the fact of the
    >>>>> matter that there are some serious flaws in today's
    >>>>> education system. To justify the fact that
    >>>>> standardization from the Common core is more so
    >>>>> beneficial than a modem of personalized education is
    >>>>> absurd. Please explain how you justify that model, I'm
    >>>>> really curious as about your reasons that back it up.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a little behind the
    >>>>> times wrote:
    >>>>>> This philosophy - education mantra
    >>>>> -- came out about 20 years
    >>>>>> ago and has been tried in various
    >>>>> ways since. Nothing
    >>>>>> mentioned is new.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
    >>>>>>> I hope I'm not the only person
    >>>>> here that realizes the
    >>>>>> current education system is
    >>>>>>> useless and a TOTAL waste of time
    >>>>> for all of our students.
    >>>>>> Often the blame is put
    >>>>>>> on the teachers (which in some
    >>>>> cases is absolutely valid),
    >>>>>> but have people ever
    >>>>>>> thought that maybe it's the
    >>>>> curriculum?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Education is not just a delivery
    >>>>> system (like it is now),
    >>>>>> it's supposed to be about
    >>>>>>> teaching kids how to apply the
    >>>>> concepts of the subjects to
    >>>>>> real life applications.
    >>>>>>> It's not about trying to remember
    >>>>> & repeat. Tell me how
    >>>>>> long your memory can
    >>>>>>> hold onto information you find
    >>>>> boring? Exactly, not long at
    >>>>>> all. The chance of a
    >>>>>>> student actually 100% remembering
    >>>>> the things taught to
    >>>>>> him/her, is slim to
    >>>>>>> nothing. Instead of trying to
    >>>>> teach the technicals to them,
    >>>>>> lets teach the
    >>>>>>> technicals, but with an emphasis
    >>>>> on how to apply these
    >>>>>> CONCEPTS & the process
    >>>>>>> to real world problems.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Here are the current problems with
    >>>>> the education system:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 1) There is no creativity & does
    >>>>> not allow for individual
    >>>>>> uniqueness
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 2) We deal with conditioned
    >>>>> learning, the students can not
    >>>>>> think for themselves!
    >>>>>>> They're being taught what to
    >>>>> think, instead of them finding
    >>>>>> the answers on their
    >>>>>>> own.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 3) It's BORING, students HATE
    >>>>> going to school! Lets change
    >>>>>> that! You're not
    >>>>>>> going to make it into a place they
    >>>>> love to go to, but at
    >>>>>> least lets make it
    >>>>>>> enjoyable!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 4) There are no classes that apply
    >>>>> to different problems in
    >>>>>> the real world.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 5) After freshman year in high
    >>>>> school, a lot of the
    >>>>>> information is recycled from
    >>>>>>> previous years!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 6) Tests are way too standardized
    >>>>> and determine whether the
    >>>>>> student passes or
    >>>>>>> not. They should HELP with
    >>>>> learning, not DETERMINE the
    >>>>>> student's fate.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 7) Kids are not taught how to
    >>>>> fail, and how to take risks.
    >>>>>> They are scared to fail!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 8) We try to teach kids while they
    >>>>> deal with temptation
    >>>>>> from technology.
    >>>>>>> EMBRACE the technology, allow it
    >>>>> in the class rooms, use it
    >>>>>> as a tool for learning!
    >>>>>>> We live in the 21st century, we
    >>>>> have to adapt to the social
    >>>>>> changes!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 9) We tell students how to live in
    >>>>> a democracy, instead of
    >>>>>> having them actually
    >>>>>>> participate in a democracy.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ---Solutions (Open to revision &
    >>>>> advice)---
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 1) Allow kids to work from their
    >>>>> own point of view. Let
    >>>>>> them learn in their own
    >>>>>>> unique way.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 2) Have them do more hands-on
    >>>>> learning, labs, and
    >>>>>> exercises. Make them draw
    >>>>>>> their own conclusions & interact
    >>>>> with the exercise to find
    >>>>>> the correct answer.
    >>>>>>> Don't just tell them what they
    >>>>> need to know, make them
    >>>>>> figure out how to find
    >>>>>>> out what they need to know. For
    >>>>> example: In math, don't
    >>>>>> just give them a
    >>>>>>> problem to work out, give them a
    >>>>> visual of a real world
    >>>>>> problem (like filling up a
    >>>>>>> glass of water), then ask them how
    >>>>> long it takes to fill it
    >>>>>> up. Make them ask
    >>>>>>> questions, intrigue their
    >>>>> curiosity, and make them think
    >>>>>> about what they need to
    >>>>>>> figure out in order to solve the
    >>>>> problem. They need to
    >>>>>> figure out the dimensions
    >>>>>>> of the glass, how much water is
    >>>>> coming out of the faucet
    >>>>>> per second, etc.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 3) Let them have classes that
    >>>>> pertain to their interests.
    >>>>>> Less standardization, and
    >>>>>>> more personalization! Why do you
    >>>>> think they're bored at
    >>>>>> school? Because they're
    >>>>>>> being force fead stuff they don't
    >>>>> care about. Let them
    >>>>>> expand on their passion,
    >>>>>>> allow them to study what ever it
    >>>>> is their motivated about,
    >>>>>> embrace their curiosity
    >>>>>>> & allow them to feed that
    >>>>> curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
    >>>>>> thing that will promote
    >>>>>>> learning, why are we shunning it?!
    >>>>> Allow the learning to be
    >>>>>> open to their
    >>>>>>> uniqueness, allow for them to
    >>>>> learn in their own way.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 4) Make classes that apply to the
    >>>>> world they will live in,
    >>>>>> in just a few years. Such
    >>>>>>> as, a class on taxes, opening &
    >>>>> maintaining a bank account,
    >>>>>> job interviews,
    >>>>>>> parenting from a psychological
    >>>>> standpoint (how different
    >>>>>> tactics impact the
    >>>>>>> development of a child), managing
    >>>>> money, nutrition &
    >>>>>> physicality, etc.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 5) Allow students to take classes
    >>>>> that pertain to them &
    >>>>>> what they want to do. In
    >>>>>>> high school, they will be
    >>>>> graduating in a few years, and
    >>>>>> most kids have NO idea
    >>>>>>> what they want to do. Why not
    >>>>> allow for students to take a
    >>>>>> path that will help
    >>>>>>> them find what they want to do
    >>>>> while still in high school,
    >>>>>> such as them taking
    >>>>>>> courses towards their future
    >>>>> career (and will make up most
    >>>>>> of their curriculum),
    >>>>>>> again, feed that curiosity! If
    >>>>> they change their mind on
    >>>>>> what they want to do,
    >>>>>>> fine! They're young and still
    >>>>> learning, and they're still
    >>>>>> under the roof of their
    >>>>>>> parents, what better time than to
    >>>>> change your mind instead
    >>>>>> of when you're off to
    >>>>>>> college? (Yes, there will always
    >>>>> be exceptions to this).
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 6) Tests should help the teachers
    >>>>> know what the child is
    >>>>>> having trouble with, not
    >>>>>>> whether or not the student will
    >>>>> advance to the next
    >>>>>> grade/class. If they fail a test
    >>>>>>> why is it that it fails them in
    >>>>> the class, and makes them
    >>>>>> scared to fail? Instead, if
    >>>>>>> they fail a test, help them with
    >>>>> their problems & get them
    >>>>>> to figure out what they
    >>>>>>> did wrong and to get them to think
    >>>>> critically about how to
    >>>>>> correct the mistakes.
    >>>>>>> This is where you teach kids how
    >>>>> to fail, how to mistakes,
    >>>>>> and then how to be
    >>>>>>> able to look at failures from a
    >>>>> learning perspective in
    >>>>>> order to make it better
    >>>>>>> next time, not from a perspective
    >>>>> of being scared to fail.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 7) The above question pretty much
    >>>>> answers this. Allow kids
    >>>>>> to take risks & to
    >>>>>>> fail without them being afraid of
    >>>>> it. Look at all
    >>>>>> entrepreneurs & people who have
    >>>>>>> significantly impacted the world,
    >>>>> do you think they were
    >>>>>> scared to fail? Sure, but
    >>>>>>> not to the point of where it
    >>>>> inhibited them from trying.
    >>>>>> How many of you have
    >>>>>>> maybe wanted to pursue your
    >>>>> passion, or a great idea, but
    >>>>>> was scared to try?
    >>>>>>> Probably many. Lets change that!
    >>>>> Lets take that trait out
    >>>>>> of our children and
    >>>>>>> teach them how to embrace failing
    >>>>> as a learning experience,
    >>>>>> and not teach them
    >>>>>>> to be scared of failing to the
    >>>>> point they don't want to try
    >>>>>> and take the risk. Teach
    >>>>>>> kids how to fail, by getting them
    >>>>> to fail.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 8) Allow a trust between the
    >>>>> teacher & the student to use
    >>>>>> their cell phones
    >>>>>>> during class. A trust that the
    >>>>> student will use it
    >>>>>> moderately in an adequate
    >>>>>>> manner. When abusing of that trust
    >>>>> starts to happen, THAT
    >>>>>> is when disciplinary
    >>>>>>> actions or compromises can take
    >>>>> place. They suffer from
    >>>>>> severe temptation from
    >>>>>>> technology, just allow it! In
    >>>>> other cases, use it as a
    >>>>>> teaching tool! Have them get
    >>>>>>> on their phones & find a way to
    >>>>> incorporate it into the
    >>>>>> lesson. Let them get on
    >>>>>>> their favorite apps or websites,
    >>>>> and find a way to
    >>>>>> incorporate it into the lesson.
    >>>>>>> We are in the 21st century, it's
    >>>>> time to adapt.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a
    >>>>> manner similar to a
    >>>>>> democracy. Allow trust
    >>>>>>> between the students and the
    >>>>> governing body. You want to
    >>>>>> teach kids how to be
    >>>>>>> good members of society, and how
    >>>>> to support a government of
    >>>>>> democracy? This
    >>>>>>> is how you do it. Make it
    >>>>> adequate. Obviously they are
    >>>>>> children and don't fully
    >>>>>>> know how to behave correctly, but
    >>>>> make it adequate to where
    >>>>>> they have a say in
    >>>>>>> their education and how things are
    >>>>> ran. As they increase in
    >>>>>> age from elementary
    >>>>>>> to high school, increase the power
    >>>>> they have. Why do we
    >>>>>> feel we should run
    >>>>>>> things that we think are best,
    >>>>> when they are the students
    >>>>>> that are actually the
    >>>>>>> ones learning? They are not
    >>>>> robots, we don't just program
    >>>>>> to a
    >>>>>>> schedule/curriculum that we think
    >>>>> is best. They are humans
    >>>>>> that need to have a
    >>>>>>> say & make things better for
    >>>>> themselves. They are the ones
    >>>>>> in the learning
    >>>>>>> process, they know how to make it
    >>>>> work better than we do.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> --- What The Objectives of a
    >>>>> School Should Be---
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Bring creativity back into
    >>>>> schools. There need not be
    >>>>>> punishment for failing &
    >>>>>>> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just
    >>>>> kids trying to do things
    >>>>>> form their point of
    >>>>>>> view, who are we to tell them why
    >>>>> are wrong in doing that?
    >>>>>> This allows to create
    >>>>>>> leaders & innovators, instead of
    >>>>> kids who are taught what
    >>>>>> to think. They will now
    >>>>>>> think for themselves and take
    >>>>> advantage of their unique
    >>>>>> abilities and creativity
    >>>>>>> that they are born with. We need
    >>>>> to recognize their talents
    >>>>>> and let them expand
    >>>>>>> on those talents.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Create students that know how to
    >>>>> think divergently, outside
    >>>>>> the box, and how to
    >>>>>>> recognize & solve problems.
    >>>>> Education is not about just
    >>>>>> remembering and
    >>>>>>> regurgitating, it is about
    >>>>> learning concepts of problem
    >>>>>> solving, and being able to
    >>>>>>> use concepts taught in school to
    >>>>> apply in the real world.
    >>>>>> Education is about
    >>>>>>> inspiring one's mind, not just
    >>>>> filling their head. The
    >>>>>> objective is to intrigue
    >>>>>>> students, get them curious, and to
    >>>>> ask questions.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Look at all majorly successful
    >>>>> people and look at what they
    >>>>>> have in common.
    >>>>>>> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines),
    >>>>> Elon Musk (SpaceX,
    >>>>>> PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
    >>>>>>> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs
    >>>>> (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
    >>>>>> (Facebook), Henry
    >>>>>>> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do
    >>>>> these people have in
    >>>>>> common? They all have the
    >>>>>>> ability to recognize a problem,
    >>>>> and think critically to
    >>>>>> solve that problem. Do you
    >>>>>>> think it matters what they got on
    >>>>> their 12 grade calculus
    >>>>>> test? No. They all were
    >>>>>>> not afraid to fail nor to take the
    >>>>> risk. They all ventured
    >>>>>> into the darkness to try
    >>>>>>> something new, and to take a
    >>>>> chance at creating something
    >>>>>> big. This, along with
    >>>>>>> the general curriculum, is what we
    >>>>> need to teach our
    >>>>>> children.


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  • The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/02/14, by AW -- I think you are a little behind the times.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/03/14, by Huner.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by answer.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by muinteoir.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by To AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by hmmmmmm.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy's argument is faulty.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by don't sell our kids.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by fight back now.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by whomever.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by about Finland.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/13/14, by Hunter.