Re: The Education System is FAILING
    Posted by: hmmmmmm on 7/07/14
    () Comments

    lol I thought this, too. This person obviously hasn't been in a
    classroom or a school system within the last 10 years.

    On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a little behind the times
    wrote:
    > This philosophy - education mantra -- came out about 20
    years
    > ago and has been tried in various ways since. Nothing
    > mentioned is new.
    >
    > On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
    >> I hope I'm not the only person here that realizes the
    > current education system is
    >> useless and a TOTAL waste of time for all of our students.
    > Often the blame is put
    >> on the teachers (which in some cases is absolutely valid),
    > but have people ever
    >> thought that maybe it's the curriculum?
    >>
    >> Education is not just a delivery system (like it is now),
    > it's supposed to be about
    >> teaching kids how to apply the concepts of the subjects to
    > real life applications.
    >> It's not about trying to remember & repeat. Tell me how
    > long your memory can
    >> hold onto information you find boring? Exactly, not long at
    > all. The chance of a
    >> student actually 100% remembering the things taught to
    > him/her, is slim to
    >> nothing. Instead of trying to teach the technicals to them,
    > lets teach the
    >> technicals, but with an emphasis on how to apply these
    > CONCEPTS & the process
    >> to real world problems.
    >>
    >> Here are the current problems with the education system:
    >>
    >> 1) There is no creativity & does not allow for individual
    > uniqueness
    >>
    >> 2) We deal with conditioned learning, the students can not
    > think for themselves!
    >> They're being taught what to think, instead of them finding
    > the answers on their
    >> own.
    >>
    >> 3) It's BORING, students HATE going to school! Lets change
    > that! You're not
    >> going to make it into a place they love to go to, but at
    > least lets make it
    >> enjoyable!
    >>
    >> 4) There are no classes that apply to different problems in
    > the real world.
    >>
    >> 5) After freshman year in high school, a lot of the
    > information is recycled from
    >> previous years!
    >>
    >> 6) Tests are way too standardized and determine whether
    the
    > student passes or
    >> not. They should HELP with learning, not DETERMINE the
    > student's fate.
    >>
    >> 7) Kids are not taught how to fail, and how to take risks.
    > They are scared to fail!
    >>
    >> 8) We try to teach kids while they deal with temptation
    > from technology.
    >> EMBRACE the technology, allow it in the class rooms, use it
    > as a tool for learning!
    >> We live in the 21st century, we have to adapt to the social
    > changes!
    >>
    >> 9) We tell students how to live in a democracy, instead of
    > having them actually
    >> participate in a democracy.
    >>
    >> ---Solutions (Open to revision & advice)---
    >>
    >> 1) Allow kids to work from their own point of view. Let
    > them learn in their own
    >> unique way.
    >>
    >> 2) Have them do more hands-on learning, labs, and
    > exercises. Make them draw
    >> their own conclusions & interact with the exercise to find
    > the correct answer.
    >> Don't just tell them what they need to know, make them
    > figure out how to find
    >> out what they need to know. For example: In math, don't
    > just give them a
    >> problem to work out, give them a visual of a real world
    > problem (like filling up a
    >> glass of water), then ask them how long it takes to fill it
    > up. Make them ask
    >> questions, intrigue their curiosity, and make them think
    > about what they need to
    >> figure out in order to solve the problem. They need to
    > figure out the dimensions
    >> of the glass, how much water is coming out of the faucet
    > per second, etc.
    >>
    >> 3) Let them have classes that pertain to their interests.
    > Less standardization, and
    >> more personalization! Why do you think they're bored at
    > school? Because they're
    >> being force fead stuff they don't care about. Let them
    > expand on their passion,
    >> allow them to study what ever it is their motivated about,
    > embrace their curiosity
    >> & allow them to feed that curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
    > thing that will promote
    >> learning, why are we shunning it?! Allow the learning to be
    > open to their
    >> uniqueness, allow for them to learn in their own way.
    >>
    >> 4) Make classes that apply to the world they will live in,
    > in just a few years. Such
    >> as, a class on taxes, opening & maintaining a bank account,
    > job interviews,
    >> parenting from a psychological standpoint (how different
    > tactics impact the
    >> development of a child), managing money, nutrition &
    > physicality, etc.
    >>
    >> 5) Allow students to take classes that pertain to them &
    > what they want to do. In
    >> high school, they will be graduating in a few years, and
    > most kids have NO idea
    >> what they want to do. Why not allow for students to take a
    > path that will help
    >> them find what they want to do while still in high school,
    > such as them taking
    >> courses towards their future career (and will make up most
    > of their curriculum),
    >> again, feed that curiosity! If they change their mind on
    > what they want to do,
    >> fine! They're young and still learning, and they're still
    > under the roof of their
    >> parents, what better time than to change your mind instead
    > of when you're off to
    >> college? (Yes, there will always be exceptions to this).
    >>
    >> 6) Tests should help the teachers know what the child is
    > having trouble with, not
    >> whether or not the student will advance to the next
    > grade/class. If they fail a test
    >> why is it that it fails them in the class, and makes them
    > scared to fail? Instead, if
    >> they fail a test, help them with their problems & get them
    > to figure out what they
    >> did wrong and to get them to think critically about how to
    > correct the mistakes.
    >> This is where you teach kids how to fail, how to mistakes,
    > and then how to be
    >> able to look at failures from a learning perspective in
    > order to make it better
    >> next time, not from a perspective of being scared to fail.
    >>
    >> 7) The above question pretty much answers this. Allow kids
    > to take risks & to
    >> fail without them being afraid of it. Look at all
    > entrepreneurs & people who have
    >> significantly impacted the world, do you think they were
    > scared to fail? Sure, but
    >> not to the point of where it inhibited them from trying.
    > How many of you have
    >> maybe wanted to pursue your passion, or a great idea, but
    > was scared to try?
    >> Probably many. Lets change that! Lets take that trait out
    > of our children and
    >> teach them how to embrace failing as a learning
    experience,
    > and not teach them
    >> to be scared of failing to the point they don't want to try
    > and take the risk. Teach
    >> kids how to fail, by getting them to fail.
    >>
    >> 8) Allow a trust between the teacher & the student to use
    > their cell phones
    >> during class. A trust that the student will use it
    > moderately in an adequate
    >> manner. When abusing of that trust starts to happen, THAT
    > is when disciplinary
    >> actions or compromises can take place. They suffer from
    > severe temptation from
    >> technology, just allow it! In other cases, use it as a
    > teaching tool! Have them get
    >> on their phones & find a way to incorporate it into the
    > lesson. Let them get on
    >> their favorite apps or websites, and find a way to
    > incorporate it into the lesson.
    >> We are in the 21st century, it's time to adapt.
    >>
    >> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a manner similar to a
    > democracy. Allow trust
    >> between the students and the governing body. You want to
    > teach kids how to be
    >> good members of society, and how to support a
    government of
    > democracy? This
    >> is how you do it. Make it adequate. Obviously they are
    > children and don't fully
    >> know how to behave correctly, but make it adequate to
    where
    > they have a say in
    >> their education and how things are ran. As they increase in
    > age from elementary
    >> to high school, increase the power they have. Why do we
    > feel we should run
    >> things that we think are best, when they are the students
    > that are actually the
    >> ones learning? They are not robots, we don't just program
    > to a
    >> schedule/curriculum that we think is best. They are humans
    > that need to have a
    >> say & make things better for themselves. They are the ones
    > in the learning
    >> process, they know how to make it work better than we do.
    >>
    >> --- What The Objectives of a School Should Be---
    >>
    >> Bring creativity back into schools. There need not be
    > punishment for failing &
    >> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just kids trying to do things
    > form their point of
    >> view, who are we to tell them why are wrong in doing that?
    > This allows to create
    >> leaders & innovators, instead of kids who are taught what
    > to think. They will now
    >> think for themselves and take advantage of their unique
    > abilities and creativity
    >> that they are born with. We need to recognize their talents
    > and let them expand
    >> on those talents.
    >>
    >> Create students that know how to think divergently, outside
    > the box, and how to
    >> recognize & solve problems. Education is not about just
    > remembering and
    >> regurgitating, it is about learning concepts of problem
    > solving, and being able to
    >> use concepts taught in school to apply in the real world.
    > Education is about
    >> inspiring one's mind, not just filling their head. The
    > objective is to intrigue
    >> students, get them curious, and to ask questions.
    >>
    >> Look at all majorly successful people and look at what they
    > have in common.
    >> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines), Elon Musk (SpaceX,
    > PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
    >> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
    > (Facebook), Henry
    >> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do these people have in
    > common? They all have the
    >> ability to recognize a problem, and think critically to
    > solve that problem. Do you
    >> think it matters what they got on their 12 grade calculus
    > test? No. They all were
    >> not afraid to fail nor to take the risk. They all ventured
    > into the darkness to try
    >> something new, and to take a chance at creating something
    > big. This, along with
    >> the general curriculum, is what we need to teach our
    > children.


    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/02/14, by AW -- I think you are a little behind the times.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/03/14, by Huner.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by answer.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by muinteoir.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by To AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by hmmmmmm.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy's argument is faulty.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by don't sell our kids.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by fight back now.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by whomever.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by about Finland.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/13/14, by Hunter.