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PsyGuy's argument is flawed. You can't compare mass producing
iPhones on a factory line, with the education of children, each
unique. However, his argument illustrates the reason why it is all
crashing down. It is against the law in the US for the Department
of Education to impose a "curriculum" or standards on all the
schools. That is why there was the "Race to the Top" contest, so
states would grab the $$ and the claim could be made they were
choosing this crap. PsyGuy only wants the national curr. and
standards if his political side writes their slant into them and the
students are getting brainwashed his way. He doesn't want them
brainwashed by your political team. I don't want the gov't. in our
schools at all because politicians don't know what the heck we do in
the classroom. Local control and choice is the most powerful
position, and the one where quality can be chosen for students.
Take PsyGuy's stand and make Gates and Pearson rich...he needs
another yacht and mansion by evaluating teachers based on student
test scores, don't ya' think?

On 7/08/14, PsyGuy wrote:
> The Department of Education.
>
> Thats why their called standards, you dont need to "like" them,
you
> need to comply with them.
>
> Common core sucks, we need a national curriculum that works, just
> because the first implementation doesnt work does not mean
> abandon the cause. Every other country in the world has a national
> curriculum and they didnt get it right the first time either.
>
> Would you want your iPhone made without standards, would you
> want your doctor not held to a standard of care and licensing, or
> would you prefer your doctor get to do whatever they want because
> of "freedom" and they dont "like" the standards everyone else
> agrees with is good patient care.
>
> On 7/07/14, my 2 wrote:
>> Let's say you support a national set of standards. Who is the
>> puppeteer? We have Common Core, and over 27 states have
>> legislation to get out. Ask yourself, "Why?" You want kids to
>> have the choice of the same education as everyone else, but if
>> you have Common Standards, you end up with no choice,
> because if
>> you don't like them, you can't move to get away because they are
>> everywhere. We already see people moving to Texas to get away
>> from Common Core. It is naive to assume that the "standards"
>> chosen for everyone by some political person who has never been
>> in education are going to be the pot of gold at the end of the
>> rainbow. Get real. If you are fighting for poor kids, give
>> them a real shot at opportunity. Freedom is always more choice,
>> not less. Think about it, there always was a standard spiral
>> curriculum, because textbooks were sold to more than one state.
>> If things were not standardized at a basic level, that couldn't
>> have worked, but it did. Look, just on this chat thread, three
>> people can't even agree about the issue of personalized learning
>> vs. standardized. Yet, you want someone in Washington to write
>> standards for all of us? The question is why would you, who
>> pretend to care about poor children, sell your students to the
>> money machine of CC and all the testing...to line the pockets
>> Gates, Walmart, Broad, etc? Education is not about profits.
>> You are fighting on the wrong side and at some deep level you
>> must know that selling your students to Wally-world schools
>> isn't going to fix the world for them. They will just drop out,
>> frustrated over the testing money machine.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/07/14, PsyGuy wrote:
>>> Students ned to have knowledge and understanding of subject
>>> material OUTSIDE those fields of study they find interesting.
>>>
>>> The outside world will require these young students to do
>>> various amounts or work and tasks that they DONT find
>>> interesting, life is not all about fun.
>>>
>>> STANDARDS need to be stronger, we are the ONLY country in
>>> the world that does not have a NATIONAL curriculum and you
>>> dont even want a national standard, your position is basically
>> to
>>> support NON ACCOUNTABILITY. We tried that we ended up with
>>> football players who couldnt read, and nice girls who were
>> great
>>> teachers pets who couldnt do arithmetic.
>>>
>>> No they are not all capable of becoming genesis, Intelligence
>>> distribution has CONSTANTLY been shown to fit a normal curve.
>>>
>>> On 7/06/14, To AW wrote:
>>>> I am pushing the fact that the main curriculum of schools
>>>> should be a model that allows for a personalized
>>>> curriculum. Personalization should not be just through
>>>> "electives", it should the core of the curriculum.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody, not just kids, will put forth an extreme amount
>>>> of effort to learn things that interest them, and appeal
>>>> to them. It needs to be incorporated in every student's
>>>> learning.
>>>>
>>>> Students associate learning with boring things at school.
>>>> This only creates kids that are disinterested in doing
>>>> anything to learn, or anything to do with school. Instead
>>>> of creating students with this attitude, we need to create
>>>> students who are intrigued in learning, and want to be
>>>> better themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the standardization needs to abolished. We can not
>>>> rank kids based on a set of values that we think are
>>>> important. Not all kids are going to be successful at
>>>> those values, and the ranking system only tells them that
>>>> they aren't good enough to be anything. They're humans.
>>>> Humans that have different interests, different talents,
>>>> different tastes, and different things they are capable of
>>>> excelling at. Why are we not embracing these differences?
>>>> We don't encourage students to do what they're good at,
>>>> but instead we rank them on what they might not be good
>>>> at. Then that ranking effects their future by inhibiting
>>>> them from a good college, as well as psychologically
>>>> because they feel they aren't capable of doing anything
>>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> Students are not born smart (maybe some), like the ranking
>>>> system (GPA/Grades) suggests. They are ALL capable of
>>>> becoming geniuses at ANYTHING they please, but when you
>>>> tell a student his GPA is bad & compare him to someone
>>>> else who is way better, they feel worthless. When really,
>>>> that might not even be what interests him, nor where his
>>>> talent shines!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/04/14, AW wrote:
>>>>> Hunter, I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas
>>>>> don't use it. Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he
>>>>> would have to enlighten you with CC's program is so
>>>>> beneficial.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
>>>>> are "general" and various comments may apply to some
>>>>> schools,
>>>> but
>>>>> I would guess that could be applied to any state or
>>>>> country. None of your comments apply to my school.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?

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