Re: The Education System is FAILING
    Posted by: PsyGuy on 7/04/14
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    How do you know Hunter is a him?

    On 7/04/14, to PsyGuy wrote:
    > Please let Hunter speak for himself.
    >
    >
    > On 7/04/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    >> Hunters "program" is to basically let teachers close their
    >> door and do what they, the teacher thinks is best.
    >>
    >>> Hunter, I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas
    >>> don't use it. Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he
    >>> would have to enlighten you with CC's program is so
    >>> beneficial.
    >>>
    >>> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
    >>> are "general" and various comments may apply to some
    >>> schools,
    >> but
    >>> I would guess that could be applied to any state or
    >>> country. None of your comments apply to my school.
    >>>
    >>> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 7/03/14, Huner wrote:
    >>>> It's not whether it is new or not, its the fact of the
    >>>> matter that there are some serious flaws in today's
    >>>> education system. To justify the fact that
    >>>> standardization from the Common core is more so
    >>>> beneficial than a modem of personalized education is
    >>>> absurd. Please explain how you justify that model, I'm
    >>>> really curious as about your reasons that back it up.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a little behind the
    >>>> times wrote:
    >>>>> This philosophy - education mantra
    >>>> -- came out about 20 years
    >>>>> ago and has been tried in various
    >>>> ways since. Nothing
    >>>>> mentioned is new.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
    >>>>>> I hope I'm not the only person
    >>>> here that realizes the
    >>>>> current education system is
    >>>>>> useless and a TOTAL waste of time
    >>>> for all of our students.
    >>>>> Often the blame is put
    >>>>>> on the teachers (which in some
    >>>> cases is absolutely valid),
    >>>>> but have people ever
    >>>>>> thought that maybe it's the
    >>>> curriculum?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Education is not just a delivery
    >>>> system (like it is now),
    >>>>> it's supposed to be about
    >>>>>> teaching kids how to apply the
    >>>> concepts of the subjects to
    >>>>> real life applications.
    >>>>>> It's not about trying to remember
    >>>> & repeat. Tell me how
    >>>>> long your memory can
    >>>>>> hold onto information you find
    >>>> boring? Exactly, not long at
    >>>>> all. The chance of a
    >>>>>> student actually 100% remembering
    >>>> the things taught to
    >>>>> him/her, is slim to
    >>>>>> nothing. Instead of trying to
    >>>> teach the technicals to them,
    >>>>> lets teach the
    >>>>>> technicals, but with an emphasis
    >>>> on how to apply these
    >>>>> CONCEPTS & the process
    >>>>>> to real world problems.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Here are the current problems with
    >>>> the education system:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 1) There is no creativity & does
    >>>> not allow for individual
    >>>>> uniqueness
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 2) We deal with conditioned
    >>>> learning, the students can not
    >>>>> think for themselves!
    >>>>>> They're being taught what to
    >>>> think, instead of them finding
    >>>>> the answers on their
    >>>>>> own.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 3) It's BORING, students HATE
    >>>> going to school! Lets change
    >>>>> that! You're not
    >>>>>> going to make it into a place they
    >>>> love to go to, but at
    >>>>> least lets make it
    >>>>>> enjoyable!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 4) There are no classes that apply
    >>>> to different problems in
    >>>>> the real world.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 5) After freshman year in high
    >>>> school, a lot of the
    >>>>> information is recycled from
    >>>>>> previous years!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 6) Tests are way too standardized
    >>>> and determine whether the
    >>>>> student passes or
    >>>>>> not. They should HELP with
    >>>> learning, not DETERMINE the
    >>>>> student's fate.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 7) Kids are not taught how to
    >>>> fail, and how to take risks.
    >>>>> They are scared to fail!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 8) We try to teach kids while they
    >>>> deal with temptation
    >>>>> from technology.
    >>>>>> EMBRACE the technology, allow it
    >>>> in the class rooms, use it
    >>>>> as a tool for learning!
    >>>>>> We live in the 21st century, we
    >>>> have to adapt to the social
    >>>>> changes!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 9) We tell students how to live in
    >>>> a democracy, instead of
    >>>>> having them actually
    >>>>>> participate in a democracy.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ---Solutions (Open to revision &
    >>>> advice)---
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 1) Allow kids to work from their
    >>>> own point of view. Let
    >>>>> them learn in their own
    >>>>>> unique way.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 2) Have them do more hands-on
    >>>> learning, labs, and
    >>>>> exercises. Make them draw
    >>>>>> their own conclusions & interact
    >>>> with the exercise to find
    >>>>> the correct answer.
    >>>>>> Don't just tell them what they
    >>>> need to know, make them
    >>>>> figure out how to find
    >>>>>> out what they need to know. For
    >>>> example: In math, don't
    >>>>> just give them a
    >>>>>> problem to work out, give them a
    >>>> visual of a real world
    >>>>> problem (like filling up a
    >>>>>> glass of water), then ask them how
    >>>> long it takes to fill it
    >>>>> up. Make them ask
    >>>>>> questions, intrigue their
    >>>> curiosity, and make them think
    >>>>> about what they need to
    >>>>>> figure out in order to solve the
    >>>> problem. They need to
    >>>>> figure out the dimensions
    >>>>>> of the glass, how much water is
    >>>> coming out of the faucet
    >>>>> per second, etc.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 3) Let them have classes that
    >>>> pertain to their interests.
    >>>>> Less standardization, and
    >>>>>> more personalization! Why do you
    >>>> think they're bored at
    >>>>> school? Because they're
    >>>>>> being force fead stuff they don't
    >>>> care about. Let them
    >>>>> expand on their passion,
    >>>>>> allow them to study what ever it
    >>>> is their motivated about,
    >>>>> embrace their curiosity
    >>>>>> & allow them to feed that
    >>>> curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
    >>>>> thing that will promote
    >>>>>> learning, why are we shunning it?!
    >>>> Allow the learning to be
    >>>>> open to their
    >>>>>> uniqueness, allow for them to
    >>>> learn in their own way.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 4) Make classes that apply to the
    >>>> world they will live in,
    >>>>> in just a few years. Such
    >>>>>> as, a class on taxes, opening &
    >>>> maintaining a bank account,
    >>>>> job interviews,
    >>>>>> parenting from a psychological
    >>>> standpoint (how different
    >>>>> tactics impact the
    >>>>>> development of a child), managing
    >>>> money, nutrition &
    >>>>> physicality, etc.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 5) Allow students to take classes
    >>>> that pertain to them &
    >>>>> what they want to do. In
    >>>>>> high school, they will be
    >>>> graduating in a few years, and
    >>>>> most kids have NO idea
    >>>>>> what they want to do. Why not
    >>>> allow for students to take a
    >>>>> path that will help
    >>>>>> them find what they want to do
    >>>> while still in high school,
    >>>>> such as them taking
    >>>>>> courses towards their future
    >>>> career (and will make up most
    >>>>> of their curriculum),
    >>>>>> again, feed that curiosity! If
    >>>> they change their mind on
    >>>>> what they want to do,
    >>>>>> fine! They're young and still
    >>>> learning, and they're still
    >>>>> under the roof of their
    >>>>>> parents, what better time than to
    >>>> change your mind instead
    >>>>> of when you're off to
    >>>>>> college? (Yes, there will always
    >>>> be exceptions to this).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 6) Tests should help the teachers
    >>>> know what the child is
    >>>>> having trouble with, not
    >>>>>> whether or not the student will
    >>>> advance to the next
    >>>>> grade/class. If they fail a test
    >>>>>> why is it that it fails them in
    >>>> the class, and makes them
    >>>>> scared to fail? Instead, if
    >>>>>> they fail a test, help them with
    >>>> their problems & get them
    >>>>> to figure out what they
    >>>>>> did wrong and to get them to think
    >>>> critically about how to
    >>>>> correct the mistakes.
    >>>>>> This is where you teach kids how
    >>>> to fail, how to mistakes,
    >>>>> and then how to be
    >>>>>> able to look at failures from a
    >>>> learning perspective in
    >>>>> order to make it better
    >>>>>> next time, not from a perspective
    >>>> of being scared to fail.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 7) The above question pretty much
    >>>> answers this. Allow kids
    >>>>> to take risks & to
    >>>>>> fail without them being afraid of
    >>>> it. Look at all
    >>>>> entrepreneurs & people who have
    >>>>>> significantly impacted the world,
    >>>> do you think they were
    >>>>> scared to fail? Sure, but
    >>>>>> not to the point of where it
    >>>> inhibited them from trying.
    >>>>> How many of you have
    >>>>>> maybe wanted to pursue your
    >>>> passion, or a great idea, but
    >>>>> was scared to try?
    >>>>>> Probably many. Lets change that!
    >>>> Lets take that trait out
    >>>>> of our children and
    >>>>>> teach them how to embrace failing
    >>>> as a learning experience,
    >>>>> and not teach them
    >>>>>> to be scared of failing to the
    >>>> point they don't want to try
    >>>>> and take the risk. Teach
    >>>>>> kids how to fail, by getting them
    >>>> to fail.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 8) Allow a trust between the
    >>>> teacher & the student to use
    >>>>> their cell phones
    >>>>>> during class. A trust that the
    >>>> student will use it
    >>>>> moderately in an adequate
    >>>>>> manner. When abusing of that trust
    >>>> starts to happen, THAT
    >>>>> is when disciplinary
    >>>>>> actions or compromises can take
    >>>> place. They suffer from
    >>>>> severe temptation from
    >>>>>> technology, just allow it! In
    >>>> other cases, use it as a
    >>>>> teaching tool! Have them get
    >>>>>> on their phones & find a way to
    >>>> incorporate it into the
    >>>>> lesson. Let them get on
    >>>>>> their favorite apps or websites,
    >>>> and find a way to
    >>>>> incorporate it into the lesson.
    >>>>>> We are in the 21st century, it's
    >>>> time to adapt.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a
    >>>> manner similar to a
    >>>>> democracy. Allow trust
    >>>>>> between the students and the
    >>>> governing body. You want to
    >>>>> teach kids how to be
    >>>>>> good members of society, and how
    >>>> to support a government of
    >>>>> democracy? This
    >>>>>> is how you do it. Make it
    >>>> adequate. Obviously they are
    >>>>> children and don't fully
    >>>>>> know how to behave correctly, but
    >>>> make it adequate to where
    >>>>> they have a say in
    >>>>>> their education and how things are
    >>>> ran. As they increase in
    >>>>> age from elementary
    >>>>>> to high school, increase the power
    >>>> they have. Why do we
    >>>>> feel we should run
    >>>>>> things that we think are best,
    >>>> when they are the students
    >>>>> that are actually the
    >>>>>> ones learning? They are not
    >>>> robots, we don't just program
    >>>>> to a
    >>>>>> schedule/curriculum that we think
    >>>> is best. They are humans
    >>>>> that need to have a
    >>>>>> say & make things better for
    >>>> themselves. They are the ones
    >>>>> in the learning
    >>>>>> process, they know how to make it
    >>>> work better than we do.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --- What The Objectives of a
    >>>> School Should Be---
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Bring creativity back into
    >>>> schools. There need not be
    >>>>> punishment for failing &
    >>>>>> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just
    >>>> kids trying to do things
    >>>>> form their point of
    >>>>>> view, who are we to tell them why
    >>>> are wrong in doing that?
    >>>>> This allows to create
    >>>>>> leaders & innovators, instead of
    >>>> kids who are taught what
    >>>>> to think. They will now
    >>>>>> think for themselves and take
    >>>> advantage of their unique
    >>>>> abilities and creativity
    >>>>>> that they are born with. We need
    >>>> to recognize their talents
    >>>>> and let them expand
    >>>>>> on those talents.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Create students that know how to
    >>>> think divergently, outside
    >>>>> the box, and how to
    >>>>>> recognize & solve problems.
    >>>> Education is not about just
    >>>>> remembering and
    >>>>>> regurgitating, it is about
    >>>> learning concepts of problem
    >>>>> solving, and being able to
    >>>>>> use concepts taught in school to
    >>>> apply in the real world.
    >>>>> Education is about
    >>>>>> inspiring one's mind, not just
    >>>> filling their head. The
    >>>>> objective is to intrigue
    >>>>>> students, get them curious, and to
    >>>> ask questions.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Look at all majorly successful
    >>>> people and look at what they
    >>>>> have in common.
    >>>>>> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines),
    >>>> Elon Musk (SpaceX,
    >>>>> PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
    >>>>>> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs
    >>>> (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
    >>>>> (Facebook), Henry
    >>>>>> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do
    >>>> these people have in
    >>>>> common? They all have the
    >>>>>> ability to recognize a problem,
    >>>> and think critically to
    >>>>> solve that problem. Do you
    >>>>>> think it matters what they got on
    >>>> their 12 grade calculus
    >>>>> test? No. They all were
    >>>>>> not afraid to fail nor to take the
    >>>> risk. They all ventured
    >>>>> into the darkness to try
    >>>>>> something new, and to take a
    >>>> chance at creating something
    >>>>> big. This, along with
    >>>>>> the general curriculum, is what we
    >>>> need to teach our
    >>>>> children.


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  • The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/02/14, by AW -- I think you are a little behind the times.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/03/14, by Huner.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to PsyGuy.
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