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Please let Hunter speak for himself.

On 7/04/14, PsyGuy wrote:
> Hunters "program" is to basically let teachers close their
> door and do what they, the teacher thinks is best.
>
>> Hunter, I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas
>> don't use it. Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he
>> would have to enlighten you with CC's program is so
>> beneficial.
>>
>> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
>> are "general" and various comments may apply to some
>> schools,
> but
>> I would guess that could be applied to any state or
>> country. None of your comments apply to my school.
>>
>> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/03/14, Huner wrote:
>>> It's not whether it is new or not, its the fact of the
>>> matter that there are some serious flaws in today's
>>> education system. To justify the fact that
>>> standardization from the Common core is more so
>>> beneficial than a modem of personalized education is
>>> absurd. Please explain how you justify that model, I'm
>>> really curious as about your reasons that back it up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a little behind the
>>> times wrote:
>>>> This philosophy - education mantra
>>> -- came out about 20 years
>>>> ago and has been tried in various
>>> ways since. Nothing
>>>> mentioned is new.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
>>>>> I hope I'm not the only person
>>> here that realizes the
>>>> current education system is
>>>>> useless and a TOTAL waste of time
>>> for all of our students.
>>>> Often the blame is put
>>>>> on the teachers (which in some
>>> cases is absolutely valid),
>>>> but have people ever
>>>>> thought that maybe it's the
>>> curriculum?
>>>>>
>>>>> Education is not just a delivery
>>> system (like it is now),
>>>> it's supposed to be about
>>>>> teaching kids how to apply the
>>> concepts of the subjects to
>>>> real life applications.
>>>>> It's not about trying to remember
>>> & repeat. Tell me how
>>>> long your memory can
>>>>> hold onto information you find
>>> boring? Exactly, not long at
>>>> all. The chance of a
>>>>> student actually 100% remembering
>>> the things taught to
>>>> him/her, is slim to
>>>>> nothing. Instead of trying to
>>> teach the technicals to them,
>>>> lets teach the
>>>>> technicals, but with an emphasis
>>> on how to apply these
>>>> CONCEPTS & the process
>>>>> to real world problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the current problems with
>>> the education system:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) There is no creativity & does
>>> not allow for individual
>>>> uniqueness
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) We deal with conditioned
>>> learning, the students can not
>>>> think for themselves!
>>>>> They're being taught what to
>>> think, instead of them finding
>>>> the answers on their
>>>>> own.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) It's BORING, students HATE
>>> going to school! Lets change
>>>> that! You're not
>>>>> going to make it into a place they
>>> love to go to, but at
>>>> least lets make it
>>>>> enjoyable!
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) There are no classes that apply
>>> to different problems in
>>>> the real world.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) After freshman year in high
>>> school, a lot of the
>>>> information is recycled from
>>>>> previous years!
>>>>>
>>>>> 6) Tests are way too standardized
>>> and determine whether the
>>>> student passes or
>>>>> not. They should HELP with
>>> learning, not DETERMINE the
>>>> student's fate.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7) Kids are not taught how to
>>> fail, and how to take risks.
>>>> They are scared to fail!
>>>>>
>>>>> 8) We try to teach kids while they
>>> deal with temptation
>>>> from technology.
>>>>> EMBRACE the technology, allow it
>>> in the class rooms, use it
>>>> as a tool for learning!
>>>>> We live in the 21st century, we
>>> have to adapt to the social
>>>> changes!
>>>>>
>>>>> 9) We tell students how to live in
>>> a democracy, instead of
>>>> having them actually
>>>>> participate in a democracy.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---Solutions (Open to revision &
>>> advice)---
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Allow kids to work from their
>>> own point of view. Let
>>>> them learn in their own
>>>>> unique way.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Have them do more hands-on
>>> learning, labs, and
>>>> exercises. Make them draw
>>>>> their own conclusions & interact
>>> with the exercise to find
>>>> the correct answer.
>>>>> Don't just tell them what they
>>> need to know, make them
>>>> figure out how to find
>>>>> out what they need to know. For
>>> example: In math, don't
>>>> just give them a
>>>>> problem to work out, give them a
>>> visual of a real world
>>>> problem (like filling up a
>>>>> glass of water), then ask them how
>>> long it takes to fill it
>>>> up. Make them ask
>>>>> questions, intrigue their
>>> curiosity, and make them think
>>>> about what they need to
>>>>> figure out in order to solve the
>>> problem. They need to
>>>> figure out the dimensions
>>>>> of the glass, how much water is
>>> coming out of the faucet
>>>> per second, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Let them have classes that
>>> pertain to their interests.
>>>> Less standardization, and
>>>>> more personalization! Why do you
>>> think they're bored at
>>>> school? Because they're
>>>>> being force fead stuff they don't
>>> care about. Let them
>>>> expand on their passion,
>>>>> allow them to study what ever it
>>> is their motivated about,
>>>> embrace their curiosity
>>>>> & allow them to feed that
>>> curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
>>>> thing that will promote
>>>>> learning, why are we shunning it?!
>>> Allow the learning to be
>>>> open to their
>>>>> uniqueness, allow for them to
>>> learn in their own way.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Make classes that apply to the
>>> world they will live in,
>>>> in just a few years. Such
>>>>> as, a class on taxes, opening &
>>> maintaining a bank account,
>>>> job interviews,
>>>>> parenting from a psychological
>>> standpoint (how different
>>>> tactics impact the
>>>>> development of a child), managing
>>> money, nutrition &
>>>> physicality, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Allow students to take classes
>>> that pertain to them &
>>>> what they want to do. In
>>>>> high school, they will be
>>> graduating in a few years, and
>>>> most kids have NO idea
>>>>> what they want to do. Why not
>>> allow for students to take a
>>>> path that will help
>>>>> them find what they want to do
>>> while still in high school,
>>>> such as them taking
>>>>> courses towards their future
>>> career (and will make up most
>>>> of their curriculum),
>>>>> again, feed that curiosity! If
>>> they change their mind on
>>>> what they want to do,
>>>>> fine! They're young and still
>>> learning, and they're still
>>>> under the roof of their
>>>>> parents, what better time than to
>>> change your mind instead
>>>> of when you're off to
>>>>> college? (Yes, there will always
>>> be exceptions to this).
>>>>>
>>>>> 6) Tests should help the teachers
>>> know what the child is
>>>> having trouble with, not
>>>>> whether or not the student will
>>> advance to the next
>>>> grade/class. If they fail a test
>>>>> why is it that it fails them in
>>> the class, and makes them
>>>> scared to fail? Instead, if
>>>>> they fail a test, help them with
>>> their problems & get them
>>>> to figure out what they
>>>>> did wrong and to get them to think
>>> critically about how to
>>>> correct the mistakes.
>>>>> This is where you teach kids how
>>> to fail, how to mistakes,
>>>> and then how to be
>>>>> able to look at failures from a
>>> learning perspective in
>>>> order to make it better
>>>>> next time, not from a perspective
>>> of being scared to fail.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7) The above question pretty much
>>> answers this. Allow kids
>>>> to take risks & to
>>>>> fail without them being afraid of
>>> it. Look at all
>>>> entrepreneurs & people who have
>>>>> significantly impacted the world,
>>> do you think they were
>>>> scared to fail? Sure, but
>>>>> not to the point of where it
>>> inhibited them from trying.
>>>> How many of you have
>>>>> maybe wanted to pursue your
>>> passion, or a great idea, but
>>>> was scared to try?
>>>>> Probably many. Lets change that!
>>> Lets take that trait out
>>>> of our children and
>>>>> teach them how to embrace failing
>>> as a learning experience,
>>>> and not teach them
>>>>> to be scared of failing to the
>>> point they don't want to try
>>>> and take the risk. Teach
>>>>> kids how to fail, by getting them
>>> to fail.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8) Allow a trust between the
>>> teacher & the student to use
>>>> their cell phones
>>>>> during class. A trust that the
>>> student will use it
>>>> moderately in an adequate
>>>>> manner. When abusing of that trust
>>> starts to happen, THAT
>>>> is when disciplinary
>>>>> actions or compromises can take
>>> place. They suffer from
>>>> severe temptation from
>>>>> technology, just allow it! In
>>> other cases, use it as a
>>>> teaching tool! Have them get
>>>>> on their phones & find a way to
>>> incorporate it into the
>>>> lesson. Let them get on
>>>>> their favorite apps or websites,
>>> and find a way to
>>>> incorporate it into the lesson.
>>>>> We are in the 21st century, it's
>>> time to adapt.
>>>>>
>>>>> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a
>>> manner similar to a
>>>> democracy. Allow trust
>>>>> between the students and the
>>> governing body. You want to
>>>> teach kids how to be
>>>>> good members of society, and how
>>> to support a government of
>>>> democracy? This
>>>>> is how you do it. Make it
>>> adequate. Obviously they are
>>>> children and don't fully
>>>>> know how to behave correctly, but
>>> make it adequate to where
>>>> they have a say in
>>>>> their education and how things are
>>> ran. As they increase in
>>>> age from elementary
>>>>> to high school, increase the power
>>> they have. Why do we
>>>> feel we should run
>>>>> things that we think are best,
>>> when they are the students
>>>> that are actually the
>>>>> ones learning? They are not
>>> robots, we don't just program
>>>> to a
>>>>> schedule/curriculum that we think
>>> is best. They are humans
>>>> that need to have a
>>>>> say & make things better for
>>> themselves. They are the ones
>>>> in the learning
>>>>> process, they know how to make it
>>> work better than we do.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- What The Objectives of a
>>> School Should Be---
>>>>>
>>>>> Bring creativity back into
>>> schools. There need not be
>>>> punishment for failing &
>>>>> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just
>>> kids trying to do things
>>>> form their point of
>>>>> view, who are we to tell them why
>>> are wrong in doing that?
>>>> This allows to create
>>>>> leaders & innovators, instead of
>>> kids who are taught what
>>>> to think. They will now
>>>>> think for themselves and take
>>> advantage of their unique
>>>> abilities and creativity
>>>>> that they are born with. We need
>>> to recognize their talents
>>>> and let them expand
>>>>> on those talents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Create students that know how to
>>> think divergently, outside
>>>> the box, and how to
>>>>> recognize & solve problems.
>>> Education is not about just
>>>> remembering and
>>>>> regurgitating, it is about
>>> learning concepts of problem
>>>> solving, and being able to
>>>>> use concepts taught in school to
>>> apply in the real world.
>>>> Education is about
>>>>> inspiring one's mind, not just
>>> filling their head. The
>>>> objective is to intrigue
>>>>> students, get them curious, and to
>>> ask questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at all majorly successful
>>> people and look at what they
>>>> have in common.
>>>>> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines),
>>> Elon Musk (SpaceX,
>>>> PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
>>>>> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs
>>> (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
>>>> (Facebook), Henry
>>>>> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do
>>> these people have in
>>>> common? They all have the
>>>>> ability to recognize a problem,
>>> and think critically to
>>>> solve that problem. Do you
>>>>> think it matters what they got on
>>> their 12 grade calculus
>>>> test? No. They all were
>>>>> not afraid to fail nor to take the
>>> risk. They all ventured
>>>> into the darkness to try
>>>>> something new, and to take a
>>> chance at creating something
>>>> big. This, along with
>>>>> the general curriculum, is what we
>>> need to teach our
>>>> children.

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