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Hunters "program" is to basically let teachers close their door and do
what they, the teacher thinks is best.

> Hunter,
> I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas don't use it.
> Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he would have to
> enlighten you with CC's program is so beneficial.
>
> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
> are "general" and various comments may apply to some schools,
but
> I would guess that could be applied to any state or country.
> None of your comments apply to my school.
>
> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?
>
>
>
>
> On 7/03/14, Huner wrote:
>> It's not whether it is new or not,
>> its the fact of the matter that there
>> are some serious flaws in today's
>> education system. To justify the fact
>> that standardization from the Common
>> core is more so beneficial than a
>> modem of personalized education is
>> absurd. Please explain how you
>> justify that model, I'm really
>> curious as about your reasons that
>> back it up.
>>
>>
>> On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a
>> little behind the times wrote:
>>> This philosophy - education mantra
>> -- came out about 20 years
>>> ago and has been tried in various
>> ways since. Nothing
>>> mentioned is new.
>>>
>>> On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
>>>> I hope I'm not the only person
>> here that realizes the
>>> current education system is
>>>> useless and a TOTAL waste of time
>> for all of our students.
>>> Often the blame is put
>>>> on the teachers (which in some
>> cases is absolutely valid),
>>> but have people ever
>>>> thought that maybe it's the
>> curriculum?
>>>>
>>>> Education is not just a delivery
>> system (like it is now),
>>> it's supposed to be about
>>>> teaching kids how to apply the
>> concepts of the subjects to
>>> real life applications.
>>>> It's not about trying to remember
>> & repeat. Tell me how
>>> long your memory can
>>>> hold onto information you find
>> boring? Exactly, not long at
>>> all. The chance of a
>>>> student actually 100% remembering
>> the things taught to
>>> him/her, is slim to
>>>> nothing. Instead of trying to
>> teach the technicals to them,
>>> lets teach the
>>>> technicals, but with an emphasis
>> on how to apply these
>>> CONCEPTS & the process
>>>> to real world problems.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the current problems with
>> the education system:
>>>>
>>>> 1) There is no creativity & does
>> not allow for individual
>>> uniqueness
>>>>
>>>> 2) We deal with conditioned
>> learning, the students can not
>>> think for themselves!
>>>> They're being taught what to
>> think, instead of them finding
>>> the answers on their
>>>> own.
>>>>
>>>> 3) It's BORING, students HATE
>> going to school! Lets change
>>> that! You're not
>>>> going to make it into a place they
>> love to go to, but at
>>> least lets make it
>>>> enjoyable!
>>>>
>>>> 4) There are no classes that apply
>> to different problems in
>>> the real world.
>>>>
>>>> 5) After freshman year in high
>> school, a lot of the
>>> information is recycled from
>>>> previous years!
>>>>
>>>> 6) Tests are way too standardized
>> and determine whether the
>>> student passes or
>>>> not. They should HELP with
>> learning, not DETERMINE the
>>> student's fate.
>>>>
>>>> 7) Kids are not taught how to
>> fail, and how to take risks.
>>> They are scared to fail!
>>>>
>>>> 8) We try to teach kids while they
>> deal with temptation
>>> from technology.
>>>> EMBRACE the technology, allow it
>> in the class rooms, use it
>>> as a tool for learning!
>>>> We live in the 21st century, we
>> have to adapt to the social
>>> changes!
>>>>
>>>> 9) We tell students how to live in
>> a democracy, instead of
>>> having them actually
>>>> participate in a democracy.
>>>>
>>>> ---Solutions (Open to revision &
>> advice)---
>>>>
>>>> 1) Allow kids to work from their
>> own point of view. Let
>>> them learn in their own
>>>> unique way.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Have them do more hands-on
>> learning, labs, and
>>> exercises. Make them draw
>>>> their own conclusions & interact
>> with the exercise to find
>>> the correct answer.
>>>> Don't just tell them what they
>> need to know, make them
>>> figure out how to find
>>>> out what they need to know. For
>> example: In math, don't
>>> just give them a
>>>> problem to work out, give them a
>> visual of a real world
>>> problem (like filling up a
>>>> glass of water), then ask them how
>> long it takes to fill it
>>> up. Make them ask
>>>> questions, intrigue their
>> curiosity, and make them think
>>> about what they need to
>>>> figure out in order to solve the
>> problem. They need to
>>> figure out the dimensions
>>>> of the glass, how much water is
>> coming out of the faucet
>>> per second, etc.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Let them have classes that
>> pertain to their interests.
>>> Less standardization, and
>>>> more personalization! Why do you
>> think they're bored at
>>> school? Because they're
>>>> being force fead stuff they don't
>> care about. Let them
>>> expand on their passion,
>>>> allow them to study what ever it
>> is their motivated about,
>>> embrace their curiosity
>>>> & allow them to feed that
>> curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
>>> thing that will promote
>>>> learning, why are we shunning it?!
>> Allow the learning to be
>>> open to their
>>>> uniqueness, allow for them to
>> learn in their own way.
>>>>
>>>> 4) Make classes that apply to the
>> world they will live in,
>>> in just a few years. Such
>>>> as, a class on taxes, opening &
>> maintaining a bank account,
>>> job interviews,
>>>> parenting from a psychological
>> standpoint (how different
>>> tactics impact the
>>>> development of a child), managing
>> money, nutrition &
>>> physicality, etc.
>>>>
>>>> 5) Allow students to take classes
>> that pertain to them &
>>> what they want to do. In
>>>> high school, they will be
>> graduating in a few years, and
>>> most kids have NO idea
>>>> what they want to do. Why not
>> allow for students to take a
>>> path that will help
>>>> them find what they want to do
>> while still in high school,
>>> such as them taking
>>>> courses towards their future
>> career (and will make up most
>>> of their curriculum),
>>>> again, feed that curiosity! If
>> they change their mind on
>>> what they want to do,
>>>> fine! They're young and still
>> learning, and they're still
>>> under the roof of their
>>>> parents, what better time than to
>> change your mind instead
>>> of when you're off to
>>>> college? (Yes, there will always
>> be exceptions to this).
>>>>
>>>> 6) Tests should help the teachers
>> know what the child is
>>> having trouble with, not
>>>> whether or not the student will
>> advance to the next
>>> grade/class. If they fail a test
>>>> why is it that it fails them in
>> the class, and makes them
>>> scared to fail? Instead, if
>>>> they fail a test, help them with
>> their problems & get them
>>> to figure out what they
>>>> did wrong and to get them to think
>> critically about how to
>>> correct the mistakes.
>>>> This is where you teach kids how
>> to fail, how to mistakes,
>>> and then how to be
>>>> able to look at failures from a
>> learning perspective in
>>> order to make it better
>>>> next time, not from a perspective
>> of being scared to fail.
>>>>
>>>> 7) The above question pretty much
>> answers this. Allow kids
>>> to take risks & to
>>>> fail without them being afraid of
>> it. Look at all
>>> entrepreneurs & people who have
>>>> significantly impacted the world,
>> do you think they were
>>> scared to fail? Sure, but
>>>> not to the point of where it
>> inhibited them from trying.
>>> How many of you have
>>>> maybe wanted to pursue your
>> passion, or a great idea, but
>>> was scared to try?
>>>> Probably many. Lets change that!
>> Lets take that trait out
>>> of our children and
>>>> teach them how to embrace failing
>> as a learning experience,
>>> and not teach them
>>>> to be scared of failing to the
>> point they don't want to try
>>> and take the risk. Teach
>>>> kids how to fail, by getting them
>> to fail.
>>>>
>>>> 8) Allow a trust between the
>> teacher & the student to use
>>> their cell phones
>>>> during class. A trust that the
>> student will use it
>>> moderately in an adequate
>>>> manner. When abusing of that trust
>> starts to happen, THAT
>>> is when disciplinary
>>>> actions or compromises can take
>> place. They suffer from
>>> severe temptation from
>>>> technology, just allow it! In
>> other cases, use it as a
>>> teaching tool! Have them get
>>>> on their phones & find a way to
>> incorporate it into the
>>> lesson. Let them get on
>>>> their favorite apps or websites,
>> and find a way to
>>> incorporate it into the lesson.
>>>> We are in the 21st century, it's
>> time to adapt.
>>>>
>>>> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a
>> manner similar to a
>>> democracy. Allow trust
>>>> between the students and the
>> governing body. You want to
>>> teach kids how to be
>>>> good members of society, and how
>> to support a government of
>>> democracy? This
>>>> is how you do it. Make it
>> adequate. Obviously they are
>>> children and don't fully
>>>> know how to behave correctly, but
>> make it adequate to where
>>> they have a say in
>>>> their education and how things are
>> ran. As they increase in
>>> age from elementary
>>>> to high school, increase the power
>> they have. Why do we
>>> feel we should run
>>>> things that we think are best,
>> when they are the students
>>> that are actually the
>>>> ones learning? They are not
>> robots, we don't just program
>>> to a
>>>> schedule/curriculum that we think
>> is best. They are humans
>>> that need to have a
>>>> say & make things better for
>> themselves. They are the ones
>>> in the learning
>>>> process, they know how to make it
>> work better than we do.
>>>>
>>>> --- What The Objectives of a
>> School Should Be---
>>>>
>>>> Bring creativity back into
>> schools. There need not be
>>> punishment for failing &
>>>> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just
>> kids trying to do things
>>> form their point of
>>>> view, who are we to tell them why
>> are wrong in doing that?
>>> This allows to create
>>>> leaders & innovators, instead of
>> kids who are taught what
>>> to think. They will now
>>>> think for themselves and take
>> advantage of their unique
>>> abilities and creativity
>>>> that they are born with. We need
>> to recognize their talents
>>> and let them expand
>>>> on those talents.
>>>>
>>>> Create students that know how to
>> think divergently, outside
>>> the box, and how to
>>>> recognize & solve problems.
>> Education is not about just
>>> remembering and
>>>> regurgitating, it is about
>> learning concepts of problem
>>> solving, and being able to
>>>> use concepts taught in school to
>> apply in the real world.
>>> Education is about
>>>> inspiring one's mind, not just
>> filling their head. The
>>> objective is to intrigue
>>>> students, get them curious, and to
>> ask questions.
>>>>
>>>> Look at all majorly successful
>> people and look at what they
>>> have in common.
>>>> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines),
>> Elon Musk (SpaceX,
>>> PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
>>>> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs
>> (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
>>> (Facebook), Henry
>>>> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do
>> these people have in
>>> common? They all have the
>>>> ability to recognize a problem,
>> and think critically to
>>> solve that problem. Do you
>>>> think it matters what they got on
>> their 12 grade calculus
>>> test? No. They all were
>>>> not afraid to fail nor to take the
>> risk. They all ventured
>>> into the darkness to try
>>>> something new, and to take a
>> chance at creating something
>>> big. This, along with
>>>> the general curriculum, is what we
>> need to teach our
>>> children.

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