On 8/28/10, cavey wrote: > Congratulations Bill! You are absolutely not elitist. All > children need to be taught in an environment where they can > thrive, and so often our most capable are not afforded that > opportunity. Those kids are lucky to have you. This will be a > re-energizing year for you. Best wishes. > > > > > On 8/26/10, YKW wrote: >> Oh Bill, that's wonderful! I remember some of your early >> lamentations, and am thrilled for this. Have fun!!! >> >> YKW >> >> On 8/26/10, Bill t 6 NC wrote: >>> >>> After years of my pleas falling on deaf ears, my school >>> system has finally allowed us to "level" our classes and I >>> get to teach two classes of kids, all of whom are gifted or >>> close to it. Before this, they insisted on putting >>> inclusion students into all 3 of my classes and I was always >>> limited in what I could do. I know this sounds elitist and I >>> am NOT like that (my third claSS IS inclusion) but the >>> things I will be able to do! >>> >>> I have been hoping for this for years!!!
On 8/26/10, Bill t 6 NC wrote: > > After years of my pleas falling on deaf ears, my school > system has finally allowed us to "level" our classes and I > get to teach two classes of kids, all of whom are gifted or > close to it. Before this, they insisted on putting > inclusion students into all 3 of my classes and I was always > limited in what I could do. I know this sounds elitist and I > am NOT like that (my third claSS IS inclusion) but the > things I will be able to do! > > I have been hoping for this for years!!!
Thus far, my gifted kids have breezed right through whatever I've tossed at them. Got ratchet things up a bit and soon. I am determined they will have the best year they've ever had.
Bill T 6 nc On 9/21/10, D wrote: > Sounds like fun. > How did you manage to get unincluded classes? > >***********************************************************************
On 9/22/10, Bill T 6 nc wrote: > On 9/21/10, D wrote: >> Sounds like fun. >> How did you manage to get unincluded classes? >> >>****************************************************************** ***** > > Don't know. Glad it happened, though. >
Flexible grouping can also be a positive learning strategy, when it is not over used. Homogeneous grouping by skill level has been demonstrated to be effective for instruction in the areas of mathematics and reading (Marzano, Pickering , & Pollack, 2001). Three keys to flexible grouping are using it sparingly, monitoring student progress closely, and allowing for the continual remixing of assigned groups. This allows students to move between smaller homogenous skill- based groups and then back to larger heterogeneous groups for creative and problem solving activities. Flexible grouping surrounding student skills and across age grouping allows students performing at various levels to share their combined areas of knowledge and strength (Marzano, Pickering, & Pollock, 2001). If utilized effectively and in a sensitive manner, the method of flexible grouping does not have to carry a negative stigma for the learner (Tieso, 2003).
I have been tasked with looking at our Gifted Art Curriculum. I am not an Art person, so this is not easy for me. Does anyone have links to some examples of gifted art curriculum for elementary and middle school? Thanks.
One question I must ask is, "How were you teaching gifted students 1st-8th for 2 years without a gifted endorsement?" I guess different states have different requirements.
Was your teaching in gifted classes or differentiated teaching of gifted students included in a regular classroom?
In the 20+ years I taught(2-8) IG students(Enrichment), we used what you described as a "whole child" curriculum, but we seem to have emphasized creative writing and higher level thinking skills more.
Are there other gifted teachers in your district? If so, this can be a valuable resource for the district and its students. Does your state have a gifted teacher association(?)
Getting a graduate degree in gifted education is something you might want to look into.
On 10/26/10, Christine C Faircloth wrote: > Hi, > I'm a teacher working on gifted endorsement. I've taught gifted > students first-eighth grades in different schools in our district > for two years. I've had to design curriculum for my classes. > I've found out that the next endorsement class that I will take > is called, 'Curriculum'. > In my opinion, I think that curriculum designed for the gifted > should be a 'whole child' type. By that I mean that gifted > students should know about history, art, science, and math. Of > course, the basic skills of reading and writing are necessary to > learn the other subjects. I personally like the art including > visual arts, music, and poetry. Our local museum of art has a > teachers' resource room that has art prints complete with a > lesson plan on back. E.D. Hirschi's web site, Core Curriculum,is > a great resource.
I teach 2nd-8th graders, a total of 46 students. I have 23 at the elementary and I'm doing fine with them. They are divided into three groups--10 2nd/3rd graders, 6 4th graders, and 7 5th graders. I can give them challenging assignments and they jump at them. Right now my older students are writing speeches. You would think they would be whining (b/c they hate to write) but they aren't. They are doing an amazing job.
My biggest problem is the middle school and I'm not sure how to turn it around anymore. There are two periods with 12 in first and 11 in 2nd. They are mixed 6th, 7th, and 8th graders which is awful. Until middle school, they are mostly in their own grade level and but then at 6th grade, they are not only split apart but they are mixed in with older students.
My oldest group has only had me at the middle school level and they are very negative and complain about everything we do. I have tried time and again to get them on a more positive note. I have encouraged them to submit ideas to make it more interesting. It doesn't matter what we do, they complain. They would be happiest sitting around, talking all the time, not doing anything. Or playing games every day. I actually had one suggest (joking I hope) that if we can't play games everyday, then let them play them 4 days and do the reading stuff on Fridays.
One of the things they don't like is that when I came on board, they changed the rules for our class and began insisting we cover reading in addition to our gifted objectives, since they are taking gifted in place of reading at the 7th and 8th grade level but are still being tested on it.
So now I have to teach reading concepts which they balk at. But they don't want to leave gifted because then they'd have to take it all the time. It's like "I'll take gifted so I don't have to take reading, but that's the only reason I'm taking it." I've tried talking to them in a professional way, encouraging them, etc., NOTHING WORKS.
What's worse, the bad attitude trickles to the next grade level and then the next. My 6th graders have only been there a month and they are already full-on negative.
I can't seem to gain a foothold. I have tried making units that are interesting but challenging. I try to come up with new and innovative things for them. Today I thought I had a great idea with them playing the Stock Market Game. Nope, they hated the idea.
I just don't know what to do. I feel frustrated all the time with the whining and negativity and the fact that they never like anything we do. The most successful thing we've done was a hands-on project called Mission Eggcellence where they design a car. I like it too but it's hard to make every single unit hands-on. And there's learning that has to be done before they can experiment, build, etc.
I will say this to the person who questioned my training--yes, I have been trained. I have my Master's in gifted. But as any teacher will tell you, training and actuality are very different. I have tried many approaches with these students in the past two years and I feel like instead of making progress, the negativity continues to trickle down to the next group.
One factor I did not mention is that there are pressures from the administration to teach the reading objectives and make sure they are all covered. So I'm constantly finding myself trying to fit everything in--the reading and the gifted curriculum. I thought the Jacob's Ladder would be a good idea b/c it is designed for gifted students, but doing that AND the literature unit has been tough. It's not just been those activities though. They have done hands-on activities with spatial awareness and I've given them Fridays to choose their own activities. I was originally going to ask them to do another literature unit next January but I am nixing that idea b/c it is way too time consuming. I don't think there's a gifted teacher out there that would argue that we all try ideas only to have them flop.
I am constantly looking for new ideas and after my disappointing Monday, I took a deep breath and began fresh the next day. The students may not think the Stock Market Game will be fun but I asked them to try it once. If they don't like it, we won't do it again, but I asked them to give it a fair shot. I spoke with several students about how the more I have to "fuss" at them--i.e. address issues--the less time we have for the fun stuff. I told them if we can complete the work for the hour, we can play a group game to close out the day. That's the one thing that I think they really miss doing from their elementary days. The only reason I stopped was that I was told that all it looked like they were doing was playing--regardless of whether there was an objective or learning principle to the game. However, I'm going to put my foot down and make that a part of our day again. I think it ends our time on a good note and makes it more enjoyable for all of us.
El ed, thank you SO much for responding. I feel like you truly have been in this type of situation and understand the challenges of having students who are in their own, self-contained small group to suddenly being thrown in with the older students. I've tried group bonding exercises but honestly, this 8th grade group just is a hard group to get through to. I am not going to quit trying though.
I do like the pre-testing idea and I had originally started with something similar to that. I need to go back and make pretests for each objective and just see where they are and where the lessons are needed the most. I know there are some terms they do not learn until 7th or 8th grade (irony, certain persuasive techniques, etc) so those will have to be taught. But if they learned them last year, they shouldn't have to be taught them again.
Thanks again for all the supportive ideas and encouragement. Although it is overwhelming at times, I know I can keep trying ideas and find a balance. :)
Maybe you could try the Love and Logic approach: "Yes, you can play a game when the reading assignment is done."
Try differentiation techniques: Allow students to chose how they will show what they know - tic-tac-toe board, menu of options, etc.
Don't worry about it being "fun." Engaging, yes; fun, no.
Check out Interact curriculum - lots of simulation units that feel like games (because teams of students are trying to earn the most points), but cover a variety and depth of content.
On 9/17/10, arizonataylor wrote: > It’s easy to overlook gifted children, because many of them > often seem to effortlessly do well in class. In an effort > to make sure that all children learn, we spend more money > and time helping children with academic disabilities. We do > this, because we believe that all children can learn. It’s > the right thing to do. What do we do for the other end of > the spectrum though? Unfortunately, we often don’t do much > at all. The gifted students receive little or no extra > attention in many schools. I know of at least one district > where the dropout rate is higher for gifted students than > it is for either regular education or special education. > We’re losing so many of these talented students.
arizonataylorOn 9/20/10, Anita wrote: > And there are also students who are very highly gifted in > some aspects of intelligence, and who yearn for challenge, > but because of average areas of intelligence otherwise, and > very slow processing because of the uneveness, they struggle > to keep up with ap and advanced classes. They need > accomm...See MoreOn 9/20/10, Anita wrote: > And there are also students who are very highly gifted in > some aspects of intelligence, and who yearn for challenge, > but because of average areas of intelligence otherwise, and > very slow processing because of the uneveness, they struggle > to keep up with ap and advanced classes. They need > accommodations, but the LEA says they just need to work > harder. And since they are not below average in any areas on > the iq test, they must not have a problem... > My son scored a 27 on his ACT, but his GPA was not high > enough for college scholarships... > I think too many hg students are Being Left Behind! > > Anita learntoreadnow > > > > On 9/17/10, arizonataylor wrote: >> It’s easy to overlook gifted children, because many of them >> often seem to effortlessly do well in class. In an effort >> to make sure that all children learn, we spend more money >> and time helping children with academic disabilities. We do >> this, because we believe that all children can learn. It’s >> the right thing to do. What do we do for the other end of >> the spectrum though? Unfortunately, we often don’t do much >> at all. The gifted students receive little or no extra >> attention in many schools. I know of at least one district >> where the dropout rate is higher for gifted students than >> it is for either regular education or special education. >> We’re losing so many of these talented students.
Absolutely! Why is this? People think that gifted children will do well no matter what. I've even had students that were dual qualified, gifted in one area and special education in another.
Last year, DD and her science teacher didn't really mesh. DD would always read in class but when I mentioned at P/T confernces that then don't allow her to have a book, the teacher mentioned that she needed something to do since she always got done so quickly and her sitting quietly reading was a good buffer between a few other students.
DD was doing B-C work untill last semester when she forgot one major assingment and purposely didn't do the disection. She was given an incomplete. She wasn't able to go in on the makeup day to take care of the incomplete because of a funeral so she was assigned to do it at summer school.
Me, who was not happy with DD for putting herself in this situation said she had to do all of summer school. Principal and counselor were fine with this, so she was placed in the science summer school class. This was a work at your own speed class, and DD loved it. She flew through the material and her and the teacher made a really good connection. She ate up the material and even brought stuff home and did hours of "homework" for summer school.
Fast forward to this school year. DD walked into 8th grade science and found the same curriculum that she had during summer school. Needless to say she is bored. She also found out that the science teacher she liked so much is teaching 9th grade science (7-12 in same building).
She asked me this morning if I could possible talk the school into allowing her to skip up from 8th grade science to 9th grade science. She thought about just asking the 9th grade teacher for the book so she could self teach her self, but then realized she would then have the same problem next year.
She has already been placed in not just 9th grade math, but the accelerated 9th grade math class. BUt this has been standard practice in the past to allow a handful of the brighter students to do this. It hasn't been standard practice to do this in science.
Suggestions, how should I tackle this? As a parent I want to feed the need so to speak. In the past she has often tried to hide the fact that she was gifted and fake it by purposelly getting low scores. It wasn't until 6th grade that it started to be OK. 7th grade she did accelerated work in Math and English, but did then because the decision was made for her. She liked them, but didn't make the decision herself. So for her to be actively seeking out harder more complex material is of real imortance and I am taking her request seriously.
Please any suggestions, thoughts or ideas. All would be appreciated.
(Ps when she was tested she scored about 4-5 years above grade level and has already been skipped one year, which she requested back in first grade. She was skipped another grade, which again was partially self-initiated in 4th grade. When we went back to public school, they refused to recognize the second skip and placed her back in 4th, which was when we really started having problems.)
You should speak to the school pysch about ways to help your child so that she doesn't feel the need to hide. You could make your child aware of the out of school science opportunities too - the Intel competition is big, but there are others.
On 9/18/10, LBP wrote: > My 8th grade daughter is highly gifted. My school doesn't > have a gifted teacher so I can't ask her. > > Last year, DD and her science teacher didn't really mesh. > DD would always read in class but when I mentioned at P/T > confernces that then don't allow her to have a book, the > teacher mentioned that she needed something to do since she > always got done so quickly and her sitting quietly reading > was a good buffer between a few other students. > > DD was doing B-C work untill last semester when she forgot > one major assingment and purposely didn't do the > disection. She was given an incomplete. She wasn't able > to go in on the makeup day to take care of the incomplete > because of a funeral so she was assigned to do it at summer > school. > > Me, who was not happy with DD for putting herself in this > situation said she had to do all of summer school. > Principal and counselor were fine with this, so she was > placed in the science summer school class. This was a work > at your own speed class, and DD loved it. She flew through > the material and her and the teacher made a really good > connection. She ate up the material and even brought stuff > home and did hours of "homework" for summer school. > > Fast forward to this school year. DD walked into 8th grade > science and found the same curriculum that she had during > summer school. Needless to say she is bored. She also > found out that the science teacher she liked so much is > teaching 9th grade science (7-12 in same building). > > She asked me this morning if I could possible talk the > school into allowing her to skip up from 8th grade science > to 9th grade science. She thought about just asking the > 9th grade teacher for the book so she could self teach her > self, but then realized she would then have the same > problem next year. > > She has already been placed in not just 9th grade math, but > the accelerated 9th grade math class. BUt this has been > standard practice in the past to allow a handful of the > brighter students to do this. It hasn't been standard > practice to do this in science. > > Suggestions, how should I tackle this? As a parent I want > to feed the need so to speak. In the past she has often > tried to hide the fact that she was gifted and fake it by > purposelly getting low scores. It wasn't until 6th grade > that it started to be OK. 7th grade she did accelerated > work in Math and English, but did then because the decision > was made for her. She liked them, but didn't make the > decision herself. So for her to be actively seeking out > harder more complex material is of real imortance and I am > taking her request seriously. > > Please any suggestions, thoughts or ideas. All would be > appreciated. > > (Ps when she was tested she scored about 4-5 years above > grade level and has already been skipped one year, which > she requested back in first grade. She was skipped another > grade, which again was partially self-initiated in 4th > grade. When we went back to public school, they refused to > recognize the second skip and placed her back in 4th, which > was when we really started having problems.)
I dont know what state your ...See Moreif she is in the 8th grade and has allready skipped two years and is still 4 or 5 years in advance of her peers then you need to do what we did with our kids, consider starting her in college early. my dd started college at 14 and my son at 15, just a few classes the first semester but then they went full time.
I dont know what state your in but in ohio once a student has a highschool gpa (which your dd will have once she finishes the 9th grade math class) providing it is a 3.0 or higher gpa, here she would be allowed to take the college entrance exams, if she passes those exams she would be allowed to take classes in the areas she passed (so if she passes the math, she can take math classes, if she passes the english she can take english classes ect ect) all she would need in ohio is hs 3.0 gpa, dosnt matter what class or classes she took to get it, but once she has it she could take all the college entrance tests.
also the college classes can be taken durring school hours or after or on the weekends.
and dont try to fool yourself or your dd into believeing that a simple one year advancement in one subject is going to make any real difference to a kid who is 4 to 5 years in advance of their class AFTER haveing been skipped two years, it would be no more effective then an aspirn for a broken leg.
On 9/18/10, LBP wrote: > My 8th grade daughter is highly gifted. My school doesn't > have a gifted teacher so I can't ask her. > > Last year, DD and her science teacher didn't really mesh. > DD would always read in class but when I mentioned at P/T > confernces that then don't allow her to have a book, the > teacher mentioned that she needed something to do since she > always got done so quickly and her sitting quietly reading > was a good buffer between a few other students. > > DD was doing B-C work untill last semester when she forgot > one major assingment and purposely didn't do the > disection. She was given an incomplete. She wasn't able > to go in on the makeup day to take care of the incomplete > because of a funeral so she was assigned to do it at summer > school. > > Me, who was not happy with DD for putting herself in this > situation said she had to do all of summer school. > Principal and counselor were fine with this, so she was > placed in the science summer school class. This was a work > at your own speed class, and DD loved it. She flew through > the material and her and the teacher made a really good > connection. She ate up the material and even brought stuff > home and did hours of "homework" for summer school. > > Fast forward to this school year. DD walked into 8th grade > science and found the same curriculum that she had during > summer school. Needless to say she is bored. She also > found out that the science teacher she liked so much is > teaching 9th grade science (7-12 in same building). > > She asked me this morning if I could possible talk the > school into allowing her to skip up from 8th grade science > to 9th grade science. She thought about just asking the > 9th grade teacher for the book so she could self teach her > self, but then realized she would then have the same > problem next year. > > She has already been placed in not just 9th grade math, but > the accelerated 9th grade math class. BUt this has been > standard practice in the past to allow a handful of the > brighter students to do this. It hasn't been standard > practice to do this in science. > > Suggestions, how should I tackle this? As a parent I want > to feed the need so to speak. In the past she has often > tried to hide the fact that she was gifted and fake it by > purposelly getting low scores. It wasn't until 6th grade > that it started to be OK. 7th grade she did accelerated > work in Math and English, but did then because the decision > was made for her. She liked them, but didn't make the > decision herself. So for her to be actively seeking out > harder more complex material is of real imortance and I am > taking her request seriously. > > Please any suggestions, thoughts or ideas. All would be > appreciated. > > (Ps when she was tested she scored about 4-5 years above > grade level and has already been skipped one year, which > she requested back in first grade. She was skipped another > grade, which again was partially self-initiated in 4th > grade. When we went back to public school, they refused to > recognize the second skip and placed her back in 4th, which > was when we really started having problems.)
I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the...See MoreOn 9/21/10, Mary T wrote: > I see *that* you must be in the top ten percent on ability, > according to all the going thought, to be considered for > grade skipping, but I don't know *why.* If a child has > mastered 85% of the skills to be taught in a grade, why > isn't that enough?
I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the Iowa Acceleration Scale (see [link removed].
Each school has its own way of doing things often and then they try to justify what they do. The real reasons for things done as they are is usually it's the whim of some adminstrator, the 'brainchild' of some administrator and - there has to be a line drawn somewhere, somehow and so they scramble around drawing the line and then defending it.
When I was a child, 1st grade was routinely skipped if you came in to 1st grade reading. Then for years everybody poohpoohed grade skipping as 'bad for social skills'.
Any child who's mastered 85% of the skills of a grade is likely pretty high IQ anyway - don't look for good sense behind any rationale offered by any school. Usually the reason is - if we let you do this, then others will find out and want to do it too and then what we will do?
Or - someone somewhere really believes that this child should not go on to the grade ahead and they just made up a rule on the spot as to why not. Ask them for the data and when they can't produce any, then ask again why they really have this 'rule'. Good luck.
> I see *that* you must be in the top ten percent on ability, > according to all the going thought, to be considered for > grade skipping, but I don't know *why.* If a child has > mastered 85% of the skills to be taught in a grade, why > isn't that enough? Achievement should count for more. Why > can't an above average IQ person, say, 65th percentile, be > considered? I don't see the rationale for top ten percent > and skipping. It's like saying only the very smartest kids > in the population can succeed at being away from their > age-mates. Is there data anywhere that supports this?
On 8/28/10, cavey wrote: > Congratulations Bill! You are absolutely not elitist. All > children need to be taught in an environment where they can > thrive, ...See More