I have a third grade student who is gifted. Unfortunately we don't have a program for gifted students so I am trying to challenge him in my classroom. I already have a plan for reading and would like some feedback on my plan for math. Our math series provides supplemental resources for enrichment and problem solving. They correspond with each lesso...See MoreI have a third grade student who is gifted. Unfortunately we don't have a program for gifted students so I am trying to challenge him in my classroom. I already have a plan for reading and would like some feedback on my plan for math. Our math series provides supplemental resources for enrichment and problem solving. They correspond with each lesson. I was thinking of having him participated in my lesson until he feels he understands the concept (he catches on much quicker that the other students). After he feels he is ready, he will begin to work on either an enrichment or problem solving activity which is on the same concept but a higher level. He has a one-on-one aide for medical reasons so she will be able to monitor his progress. I will then supply him with a packet of logic and math activities/puzzles that require higher level thinking skills. I was thinking of rewarding him for completing each packet so he doesn't see it as "extra" work. Any feedback would be appreciated. I really want to challenge him without isolating him too much from the rest of the class. TIA!!!
then let him say when he feels isolated but my guess would be with hi...See MoreWhat a nice post - this child is clearly in good hands with you. And he has a full-time aide? Tell him that you don't want him to feel apart from the class even though his special abilities do make his learning needs different. Explain to him what you've explained to us.
then let him say when he feels isolated but my guess would be with his aide and your good explanation, he won't feel isolated and he and his parents alike will feel very fortunate that he's got such a caring and dedicated teacher as you clearly are.
> I have a third grade student who is gifted. Unfortunately > we don't have a program for gifted students so I am trying > to challenge him in my classroom. I already have a plan for > reading and would like some feedback on my plan for math. > Our math series provides supplemental resources for > enrichment and problem solving. They correspond with each > lesson. I was thinking of having him participated in my > lesson until he feels he understands the concept (he > catches on much quicker that the other students). After he > feels he is ready, he will begin to work on either an > enrichment or problem solving activity which is on the same > concept but a higher level. He has a one-on-one aide for > medical reasons so she will be able to monitor his > progress. I will then supply him with a packet of logic and > math activities/puzzles that require higher level thinking > skills. I was thinking of rewarding him for completing each > packet so he doesn't see it as "extra" work. > Any feedback would be appreciated. I really want to > challenge him without isolating him too much from the rest > of the class. TIA!!!
About 4 years ago, I borrowed a book from a colleague that was intended for Gifted Students and offered a variety of collaborative activities, mainly focused towards developing math and logic skills.
It was an AWESOME book, but I don't remember the title and I can't reach the teacher.
The main thing I remember about the book is that it had a collection of games that involved figuring out an alien's number system. Each student in a group was given a small cutout clue, and students were only allowed to use language to communicate and share their clues...no writing allowed.
> Hi All > > This is a longshot....but I have to try. > > About 4 years ago, I borrowed a book from a colleague that > was intended for Gifted Students and offered a variety of > collaborative activities, mainly focused towards developing > math and logic skills. > > It was an AWESOME book, but I don't remember the title and > I can't reach the teacher. > > The main thing I remember about the book is that it had a > collection of games that involved figuring out an alien's > number system. Each student in a group was given a small > cutout clue, and students were only allowed to use language > to communicate and share their clues...no writing allowed. > > I wish I could give more details.... > > Any ideas about the title or author of the book?
My daughter is a first grader, and she is in the gifted program. For the first nine weeks of school her math homework involved things like, "Fill in the blank 1 ___ 3 4 5 ___" and "Tell your parents how you use a number chart." When I met with the math teacher to ask her about this (these are things she has been able to do for years), the teacher gave her the end of the year test by closing her in an office where she thought she was being punished and letting her cry for 40 minutes. Then the teacher showed me the "test" to prove that my child doesn't really need a challenge (which she actually did quite well on). When I asked why the skills on the test are not being taught in class, I was told that the first nine weeks is "review, to build the kids' confidence." My kid doesn't need multiple repetitions or nine weeks of review, she picks things up much more quickly than that.
My daughter's reading teacher has a concern that she is not paying attention, she seems tired and puts her head down on her desk during reading. So much so that on her report card she was downgraded in the work ethic section (this is extremely unlike her, she has always been well behaved, hard working, and a pleaser). The teacher says she understands the concepts thoroughly, is able to complete high quality work and demonstrate higher level thinking skills consistently, but she doesn't pay attention to the instruction, so maybe she should be put in a lower level reading group. I see it this way: the child can do everything you ask and more without the benefit of any of your instruction....she's bored.
My daughter loves learning. She looks things up on the internet, she reads constantly, she runs her own little science experiments at home and does math for fun (fractions, fact families, addition with regrouping, etc.). Until this year she loved school (preschool, kinder), but now she cries and says she doesn't want to go, the reading teacher says she seems depressed, and other subject area teachers have said she has crying meltdowns in their classes.
I understand that my daughter has different needs. I do what I can to help her at home...she is in after school activities to gain better social skills, and we give her more challenging work at home so that she can continue to progress. When we see her self-directing her learning, we encourage her in whatever activity it is she's trying, whether it's observing the bugs outside or asking for math problems. I am a teacher, I know how hard it is to meet every kid at their level all the time. But I feel like she's not even being met half way.
I'm new to this as a mom...what do you suggest? Should I offer to provide alternate activities and ask the teachers to allow her to do that during class time instead? I hate to make her stick out or to make her think she doesn't have to listen to the teacher. But I also hate to see her time wasted and to see her love of school dying. What is appropriate to ask for from the teachers? What is appropriate to expect from the school?
Of course not all states do IEP'S for gifted. However according to research many will and do with advocacy for your gifted child. Wouldn't you consider gifted special ed ? Gifted children have very unique and special needs . They learn at a much faster rate and more in depth that reg ed students. And how about asyncronous developement ? That in itself is enough to classify as special ed.
I strongly suggest you do some research on gifted IEP's as it is a good resourse and has saved many gifted children from being bored to tears in a reg classroom which usually will result in behavioral issues.
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I couldn't agree more with you about testing to see where this child is at this time. That would be the start of getting accomodations put in place and begin the IEP process.
2 gifted kidsThe book Genius Denied has some great information. Also hoggies gifted and the Davidson inst. have sections geared toward parents that you might find helpful.
How do others approach the teaching of reading to gifted students in upper elementary? Do you have them read novels in class, or assign out-of-class reading? What sorts of assignments do you give them to do?
I have been assigned to create a binder for our entire corporation that will house sites and titles of teaching ideas, strategies, and rescources for those students that are pass plus on the ISTEP. Suggestions and ideas greatly appreciated! Thanks!!
I saw it two nights ago and the images I viewed have haunted me ever since....particularly the image of the 13 year old who committed suicide because she got a B on a math test. Some of my current gifted students are super stressed enough to do something like that and it now keeps me up nights.
Which is keeping you up nights? That your students are not meeting the challenge or that you are pushing them?
You've gone from being worried that your gifted students may end their lives to feeling jaded because they're not trying hard enough. It's hard to make sense of these two posts juxtaposed in this way. On the hand you say some of your gifted students are stressed enough to end their lives and on the other hand you're pushing them to take somewhat demanding quizzes.
Don't the somewhat demanding quizzes contribute to their stress? The same kind of stress that was causing you to be worried about their ability to handle it emotionally?
I am pushing my students, the "gifted" ones as well as all the others, doing project based learning, giving short, but somewhat demanding quizzes, grading almost everything we do in class, mostly for participation, not for mastery.
Some of the "gifted" students are not meeting the challenge. I polled them early in the year, Nearly all the "gifted" ones told me that elementary school was a cakewalk for them, barely a challenge at all. Now, some of those same students are getting B's, C'd and in a few cases, D's (even one F) because the assignments they do are poor quality or are not done at all and they are not prepping for or doing well on my brief, ten item quizzes, I give weekly or biweekly. Neither are some of them doing the daily science labs or notebook entries (some call them bell ringers) we do each day at the beginning of class.
You clearly remind me of the reason I so seldom come here anymore. I hope you gained some satisfaction with your petty little swipe at me.
Now let me make some response to what you say.
I have NEVER said there was anything wrong with having high expectations. You see, my problem with this situation is NOT necesarily with the kids, but with their hovering parents who cannot stand the idea that they these students are mere mortals, have limitations and will come up short sometimes.
That little girl who did herself in, did that because she came from a home environment (I am convinced) that did not allow her to "fail" albeit temporarily. If children don't learn to cope with this inevitable reality, they are in for a hard way to go. So are their parents.
I care a great deal about my students. Just an aside that might give you a bit of insight to my mental workings...I was made a widower at a very young age (22) and so never had any kids of my own. You can most likely (I hope) pick up on where I am going here...
I want the best for them, but the best isn't to rescue them everytime they get into a pickle. And they will survive, if they aren't drive to open a proverbial vein by parents or a society that expects them to be rhodes scholars.
Seems like whenever I do, it's to complain about something or address a problem. Here I go again....
I have more "gifted" students in my three science/social studies classes than I ever have before. I use quotes around "gifted" because I really question whether the majority of these students are actually gifted or just high achievers with pushy parents with political pull in the school system. We're a rural system, very rural and lower SES. I know there are still children who are gifted in such situations, but I think our numbers are inflated.
No matter.
I have high standards for all of my students, identified or not. Nuts...I have high standards for me. Why else have I spent parts of the last four, consecutive summers (and considerable amounts of my own resources) going to professional development all over the country and world, from Alaska to Belize?
I digress...again...
I am pushing my students, the "gifted" ones as well as all the others, doing project based learning, giving short, but somewhat demanding quizzes, grading almost everything we do in class, mostly for participation, not for mastery.
Some of the "gifted" students are not meeting the challenge. I polled them early in the year, Nearly all the "gifted" ones told me that elementary school was a cakewalk for them, barely a challenge at all. Now, some of those same students are getting B's, C'd and in a few cases, D's (even one F) because the assignments they do are poor quality or are not done at all and they are not prepping for or doing well on my brief, ten item quizzes, I give weekly or biweekly. Neither are some of them doing the daily science labs or notebook entries (some call them bell ringers) we do each day at the beginning of class.
I've had more "hate mail" and more parent complaints than I ever recall having in 20+ years. Some of the complaints border on the ludicrous. I feel as though I am under siege because I hold my students accountable. I've had to deal with "helicopter parents" before, but it seems like I have a proverbial squadron on my hands this year!
Any wa...See MoreOI do think there is just more ugliness in the world these days and parents are swift to attack. My principal got a call on me because I 'took" someone's cell phone - I did not the kid lost it and to cover his rear told mom that I took it. Amazingly a custodian found it in a restroom - was mom surprised to learn little darling lied.
Any way I really responded Bill because I saw your name and it has been a long time, no see.
This has been a tough year for me, much harder than the last two. I can retire anytime now and if I still feel as I do today, at year's end, that is what I will most likely do.
A few of my troublesome parents (about 4 out of almost 90 sets) persist in their "witch hunt" and have really come up with some ludicrous complaints. Our new principal (which is where much of our problem comes from) finally told me that she knows a "witch hunt" when she sees one. I asked her why she gives them so much credence, then. No reply to that question. Sad
How do others approach the teaching of ELA in gifted. Do you read novels and teach grammar through the study of novels? Do you teach and writing grammar separately? I have to prepare my students for state testing, and I feel overwhelmed at times. I only have about 50 minutes with my students.
The few reponses I did read here on this very serious ...See MoreOnce upon a time I was a reg poster here on this board. This was a topic we touched on often. Some great in depth research and discussions went on between parents and teachers back then as we all had that one thing in common, To support the social and emotional needs of these children.
The few reponses I did read here on this very serious thread surprised and shocked me such as this one.
I know that, particularly with gifted kids, much of it is > self-induced, but I still believe much of that is relative to > parental and societal expectations
Could be any of the above or maybe none of the above. You have barely touched the tip of the iceberg.That is why it is our duty as parents/caregivers teachers to get to the root of the problem. As a team as it would be a difficult task to go it alone.
As we all know knowledge is power. Educate yourselves . There is tons of info on line .Check out SENG and Hoagies for starters. There is a wealth of info there.Much more now than when we were doing our research. Then come back and discuss the things you find. Help each other help the children. Stop pointing the fingers of blame and leave egos out of it . It is a useless waste of time and energy.
I am sorry if I sound a bit harsh. It is not my intention. This is my passion because I know depression can be helped and suicide can be prevented. There is nothing so sad and heartbreaking to see that spark slowly fade from a bright child's eyes. Anyone familiar with the gifted knows the spark to which I am referring.
Oh, and don't forget to take good care of yourselves as you continue on this journey. These children need you!
OldtimerOn 11/12/10, Jo wrote: > On 11/11/10, Oldtimer wrote: >> >> Once upon a time I was a reg poster here on this >> board. This was a topic we touched on often. Some great >> in depth research and discussions went on between parents >> and teachers back then as we all had that one thing in >> common, To support th...See MoreOn 11/12/10, Jo wrote: > On 11/11/10, Oldtimer wrote: >> >> Once upon a time I was a reg poster here on this >> board. This was a topic we touched on often. Some great >> in depth research and discussions went on between parents >> and teachers back then as we all had that one thing in >> common, To support the social and emotional needs of these >> children. >> >> The few reponses I did read here on this very serious >> thread surprised and shocked me such as this one. >> >> I know that, particularly with gifted kids, much of it is >>> self-induced, but I still believe much of that is >> relative to >>> parental and societal expectations >> >> Could be any of the above or maybe none of the above. >> You have barely touched the tip of the iceberg.That is why >> it is our duty as parents/caregivers teachers to get to >> the root of the problem. As a team as it would be a >> difficult task to go it alone. >> >> As we all know knowledge is power. Educate yourselves . >> There is tons of info on line .Check out SENG and Hoagies >> for starters. There is a wealth of info there.Much more >> now than when we were doing our research. Then come back >> and discuss the things you find. Help each other help the >> children. Stop pointing the fingers of blame and leave >> egos out of it . It is a useless waste of time and energy. >> >> I am sorry if I sound a bit harsh. It is not my >> intention. This is my passion because I know depression >> can be helped and suicide can be prevented. There is >> nothing so sad and heartbreaking to see that spark slowly >> fade from a bright child's eyes. Anyone familiar with the >> gifted knows the spark to which I am referring. >> >> Oh, and don't forget to take good care of yourselves >> as you continue on this journey. These children need you! > > I'm going to see Race to Nowhere soon. I'm looking forward > to it. The pressures of society have become so great. There > really is no room for mistakes - even for the brightest. > Often school is more about procedures for these kids than > learning. The learning part is the easy part and the hoops > they are made to jump through become the stumbling blocks. > Often I see a big problem for gifted kids is that the > education can be more of instead of more complex. More > homework doesn't show the difference between a gifted student > and a non-gifted student. There is nothing that sucks the > spark away than an environment that fosters compliance over > learning. > > The other issue is gifted kids with LDs. There are many kids > that are intellectually gifted with a disability as well. > Intellectually they have the ability to soar but their > disability makes it harder to reach that level whether it be > dyslexia, adhd, dysgraphia, etc. These kids know they are > intelligent but the whole system works against them because > it demands sameness or even development. Often they get far > without the problems being noticed becaues their giftedness > masks the disability so when they do start to stumble they > are labelled as lazy and unmotivated. I've seen a few of > these kids and it is heartbreaking because often they just > don't know how to fix the problem and no one wants to believe > there is a problem other than behaviorally. Thus, depression > sets in. > > Thanks for bringing up this subject. It does need to be > addressed. > > And thank you, Jo, for responding and offering your opinions. You are absolutely right about our 2E children . Then you throw in the odd quirks and the good old out of sync behavior. These are the children most at risk. Imagine a child highly gifted in writing and language having dysgraphia. It is much more common than one would think, especially in our boys. We did a survey and if I remember correctly I shared the results here. Over one third of the respondents agree most of our gifted writers were dealing with some sort of ld in the mechanics of writing. Perfectionism in some. The type of tool they were forced to write with in others. When I first came across dysgraphia there were no computers in the classrooms. Scribes were assigned to these bright children and in many cases this helped tremendously. It was such a pleasure to see one child in particular beginning to lose the spark then soar to the top of his class and beyond with his writing skills . The pressure of not having to actually deal with the nechanics of writing . Thanks to a wonderful teacher that took an interest in this child and worked with the team.
The learning part is the easy part and the hoops > they are made to jump through become the stumbling blocks. > Often I see a big problem for gifted kids is that the > education can be more of instead of more complex. More > homework doesn't show the difference between a gifted student > and a non-gifted student. There is nothing that sucks the > spark away than an environment that fosters compliance over > learning.
Absolutely absolutely agree here. The learning part is easy and these children are well aware of this. They can see right through the farce and fanfare. And that is so sad when the rage and passion to learn is squelched right out of them. It happens as early as primary grades in some cases. Imagine a child of four coming home and telling his parents he is no longer returning to school because he is being put in a circle with other children and forced to read baby books day after day. He was eons ahead of his peers in reading and thought he was being punished.
Maybe when you see Race you can come back and share your thoughts here. You are wise and I also sense experiences in such matters . I like to think I also have a little wisdom in this area as I certainly have the experience.
Please, if anyone else has experience or resourses they would like to share it would be appreciated. As you have probably already quessed I am an advocate for gifted children.
Yours is a very difficult job. Of that there is no doubt. I admire you for taking on this challenge of teaching these special children. Good teachers are very rare and to have so many of them in one place such as here is even rarer.
Having said that there are also parents of these children that are more concerned with the social and emotional needs of their children than academics.
At the risk again of sounding harsh this is not really about your wants or needs Or really about the parents wants or needs. We are the adults. It is up to us to listen , I mean really listen to what the children are saying and let them take the lead once in a while. After all it is ''their'' education and they have every right to have a say in how and what they are being taught.
A sense of humor is very important. A surefire way to get these children on side and work with you is laughter. It also releives a great deal of stress for teacher and children.
Back yrs ago while doing research on gifted I came across the gifted child's bill of rights. Yes there is such a thing. I posted in in my kitchen as a daily reminder and also a guideline as I had no rulebook.:) I will try to google and find a copy.
I thank you for bringing this all important sensitive topic up for discussion.
AnitaMy son loved reading the daily newspaper. Also consider magazines in his areas of interest.
Anita learntoreadnow
On 11/14/10, anniearm wrote: > I'm looking for books appropriate for a first grader > reading on a sixth grade level. He loves Wimpy Kids > Captain Underpants. I need other suggestions.
My above level readers in first grade are encouraged to read the Magic Tree House Book series. Libraries have them or they are inexpensive. They are rich in material, suitable for their comprehension levels plus they enjoy them. Needless to say that we can't keep them on the shelf. Biographies based on the student interest are also very good for above level students.