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teachers need to stand up together

by NJ teacher

Jul 30, 2008

Hello,

We as teachers across this nation need to stand up together and go down to Washington or wherever and tell them what this so called education these children are receiving are a joke! NCLB is terrible!! It's unrealistic and putting great deal of pressure on teachers is not fair. We do not get paid enough to do it on our own. Where is the support, where are the benefits? We teachers should be treated like the main priority when it comes to discussing state budget. Education should be number 1. How come do famous people, basketball players, etc get the best benefits, but we get treated like dogs. Oh, thats right we are not important our kids are not important, but then the government or US officilas wonder why we as a nation need imports from other countries. Well, if they would put education first , our children will be the brightest! Not saying we are dummies, we are not , but we could do much better if education was at the top of the list. Sorry, but just venting.

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Kim/AR/math On 10/18/08, Bo wrote: > ... NCLB has > brought many changes. My neice has spe inclusion students in her room > that disrupt and distract. This is not a change for the good.

I agree that inclusion is not always a good situation for some students. But, don't blame that on NCLB.

> She is > tested and tested and tested...See More

Oct 19, 2008

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Jane You don't know why kids in american public schools should not be expected to be on grade level?

Try: hungry, water was cut off and need a bath, don't speak english, has a 70 IQ, has a 60 IQ, has a 50 IQ, has a 40 IQ, has a 30 IQ, has Autism and is blind, has attachment disorder and is mute, (can't DIBEL if you are mute) has ADHD and OCD, d...See More

Oct 20, 2008

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Kim/AR/math On 10/20/08, Jane wrote: > You don't know why kids in american public schools > should not be expected to be > on grade level? > > Try: hungry, water was cut off and need a bath, don't > speak english, has a 70 IQ, has a 60 IQ, has a 50 IQ, > has a 40 IQ, has a 30 IQ, has Autism and is blind, has > attachment disorder and is...See More

Oct 21, 2008

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Tessa- FL On 10/21/08, Kim/AR/math wrote: > On 10/20/08, Jane wrote: >> You don't know why kids in american public schools >> should not be expected to be >> on grade level? >> >> Try: hungry, water was cut off and need a bath, don't >> speak english, has a 70 IQ, has a 60 IQ, has a 50 IQ, >> has a 40 IQ, has a 30...See MoreOn 10/21/08, Kim/AR/math wrote: > On 10/20/08, Jane wrote: >> You don't know why kids in american public schools >> should not be expected to be >> on grade level? >> >> Try: hungry, water was cut off and need a bath, don't >> speak english, has a 70 IQ, has a 60 IQ, has a 50 IQ, >> has a 40 IQ, has a 30 IQ, has Autism and is blind, has >> attachment disorder and is mute, (can't DIBEL if you >> are mute) has ADHD and OCD, dad's beats them, uncle >> abuses them , Has c/p and autism, any number of reasons >> why Johnny should not be pressured to be on grade level >> but rather have an individual plan and be taught to >> their strenghts not their weaknesses, many WILL learn >> to read, just not at the pace some idiot in Washington >> mandates. Oh an individual plan, isn't that called an >> IEP. duh >> > > > I was not referring to special ed students, and I don't > think the post I commented on was referring to sped > students either. > > As far as the other issues you mentioned, I understand > that these are issues that hinder learning. But I still > think students should be expected to perform on grade > level. If a student can not perform 6th grade work, then > he shouldn't be in 6th grade. > > So, what if everyone is allowed to be taught to their > strenghts, not according to grade level? What do you > suggest for those students who end up in 12th grade only > reading at a 6th grade level? Do they get a high schol > diploma? > > > You mentioned "the pace some idiot in Washington > mandates". As far as I know, Washington is not setting > the standards. Each state sets their curriculum. The state > then creates assessments (with the help of testing > companies) and determines proficiency levels.

This sort of thinking is why we have 5th graders that chronologically should be 8th graders. In title 1 world, these kids will never catch up. Do we hold them back forever? When we hold them back, their behavior disrupts the learning of the other kids because they've given up. And don't get me started on SPED: every year my district makes it harder and harder to get kids the help they need because they want to save $$$. We have to pass them on, and the teacher does his/her best to teach at their level.

Kim, in your world holding back may be reasonable, but in mine it isn't. Once they give up on themselves, there's nothing more we can do for them. It's sad, but true. Every teacher I work with that's been around awhile has students that ended up in jail, selling drugs, even double-homicide. These kids don't give a flippity-floppity-flue about their future. We can't retain them every year.

Oct 21, 2008

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Kim/AR/math On 10/21/08, Tessa- FL wrote: > > This sort of thinking is why we have 5th graders that > chronologically should be 8th graders. In title 1 world, these > kids will never catch up. Do we hold them back forever? When we > hold them back, their behavior disrupts the learning of the > other kids because they've given up. And don't ge...See More

Oct 21, 2008

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