I want to know what real teachers think about home schooling. I personally had very bad experiences in public school. Looking back I blame my parents for encouraging mistrust of authority and being generally unhelpful when I struggled with emotional problems. I can see now that my teachers did everything they could.
I'm about to buy a packaged pre-school/kindergarten curriculum for my 3 year old. I'm excited about starting the program, but I'd like some outsiders opinions on it. I feel that most sites are strongly biased in favor of home schooling and I really want another view point.
I also want advice as to the possibility of placing him in public school later. What would you want a parent to do to prepare their home schooled child for public school?
I am a psychologist---so I cannot speak to the daily classroom aspect of things directly, but certainly can make arguments for the special education needs and children with specific learning difficulties.
I believe home-schooling is only as good as the parent(s) who provide it for their children. Some do a very creative, stellar job of networking with other parents who homeschool--thereby creating a mini-school of sorts because they link all of the children together. Some have a strong educational background with degrees that offer insight that may or may not be shared by others in public school or elsewhere...
However, I do believe the social aspect is important. I cannot imagine growing up without the benefit of peer interaction and friendships that extend beyond small circles. In a world where so much is built upon networking, relationships, and "connections," it seems to be a disservice to not provide children with an extremely diverse, open, continuously available opportunity for the building and evolution of relationships.
A good parental foundation will instill high character-- regardless of whether that child is in a public school setting or homeschool setting; however, the exposure to diversity (both good and bad aspects of it) cannot be obtained through isolation- -except in perhaps the most rare of homeschooling environments where children are exposed to world cultures and social relationships at levels which are an anomoly to most homeschooling scenarios.
Learning the fine art of social skills takes time to hone. Understanding various lifestyles, (whether or not you accept them), happening upon new opportunities--sometimes seemingly by chance, are things that homeschooling cannot usually bring to the table unless the situations are contrived. Granted, there are always exceptions to this rule and we all recognize that!
As I said before, HS is only as good as the people who provide the education. I reflect upon one incident where a parent of a special needs child removed the child from the school and withdrew him from special education services because the parent thought the school wasn't doing enough to educate him properly. Well, the parent needed to sign forms that indicated the parents' wishes and removed the school from liability due to the fact that they declined special education services. Ironically....... the parent couldn't even read or write well enough to sign the forms! Yet he was going to homeschool the child!
Yes, this is an extreme example...but it makes a point unto itself.
Even as educators, we tend to teach what is comfortable and familiar to us---which is a double-edged sword. If parents do the same, there is the possibility that the child may get a greater education--or one that is less well-rounded. It's certainly a risk worth considering.
Being an armchair teacher is much like being an armchair psychologist... I've met both and neither impress me. Nothing takes the place of true, highly-educated individuals teaching using proven techniques, research-based practices, and a dearth of well-rounded exposures to social, environmental, academic, and emotional issues through as many experiences as possible.
I'm off my soap box...
On 4/07/05, Anonymous wrote: > On 11/21/03, lisa wrote: >> On 11/20/03, Mrs. Ryals wrote: >>> I want to know what real teachers think about home >>> schooling. I personally had very bad experiences in public >>> school. Looking back I blame my parents for encouraging >>> mistrust of authority and being generally unhelpful when I >>> struggled with emotional problems. I can see now that my >>> teachers did everything they could. >>> >>> I'm about to buy a packaged pre-school/kindergarten >>> curriculum for my 3 year old. I'm excited about starting >>> the program, but I'd like some outsiders opinions on it. I >>> feel that most sites are strongly biased in favor of home >>> schooling and I really want another view point. >>> >>> I also want advice as to the possibility of placing him in >>> public school later. What would you want a parent to do to >>> prepare their home schooled child for public school? >>> >>> Thanks bunches, >>> Mrs. Ryals >> >> >> I am a kindergarten teacher and a mom of a 4 1/2 year old > and >> a 2 1/2 year old. I am going to honestly answer all you have >> asked. >> >> Prepackaged programs - I truly do not feel that a three year >> old needs a program. If you feel you need it as a > guideline, >> that is fine. Three year olds are active and busy little >> ones. Learning should be hands on and play based. It should >> also involve a lot of peer interaction. Art activities, >> stories, thinking skills are important things to work on. >> >> You also asked about placing back in the school system after >> homeschooling. If you do this I would recommend that you > try >> to keep your child at the same grade level as they would >> enter. If you unschool and don't push reading but then > place >> your child into a third grade class they will be behind. >> >> Onto my experience. I have a kindergartner from a >> homeschooling family right now. The mom homeschools the two >> boys and placed the girl with me. I assume that she will >> begin homeschooling in first grade. This child has good > rote >> skills. Social skills are my concern. She acts like a > baby. >> Talks like one, works like one. I am not saying it is >> because mom homeschools, but I will be concerned about her >> social development if she is homeschooled. >> >> Social development is the hot topic for homeschooling. >> Homeschoolers will assure you it is not a problem. As a >> kindergarten teacher so much of what we do in the classroom >> have a social or cooperative aspect to it. If you want to >> talk about this further I would be happy to share more. >> >> If you want to know anything else please let me know. >> >> Lisa > > > how sweet!
Would you give your own child a root canal? How about set his bone should it break? Would you rebuild your emgime if were to break? If not, why would you educate your own children? Breathing is easy, but the ability to breathe does not make one a respiratory specialist. I am a reading specialist and to summarize my years of experience and training, reading and writing are extremely complex subjects. If homeschooled children learn to read and write, it is due more to luck than to some canned program used by a parent. BTW, I have rebuilt a few engines in my time and it is way easier to do than to teach reading and writing! It doesn't take much thought, just thorough care and and the ability to follow lots of steps. Finally, when you get that bad boy back in the car, it'll start and it is good for another 140K miles. Children, on the other hand are all different and require much more thought.
n 4/16/05, Anon. wrote: > I am a psychologist---so I cannot speak to the daily classroom > aspect of things directly, but certainly can make arguments for > the special education needs and children with specific learning > difficulties. > > I believe home-schooling is only as good as the parent(s) who > provide it for their children. Some do a very creative, stellar > job of networking with other parents who homeschool--thereby > creating a mini-school of sorts because they link all of the > children together. Some have a strong educational background > with degrees that offer insight that may or may not be shared by > others in public school or elsewhere... > > However, I do believe the social aspect is important. I cannot > imagine growing up without the benefit of peer interaction and > friendships that extend beyond small circles. In a world where > so much is built upon networking, relationships, > and "connections," it seems to be a disservice to not provide > children with an extremely diverse, open, continuously available > opportunity for the building and evolution of relationships. > > A good parental foundation will instill high character-- > regardless of whether that child is in a public school setting > or homeschool setting; however, the exposure to diversity (both > good and bad aspects of it) cannot be obtained through isolation- > -except in perhaps the most rare of homeschooling environments > where children are exposed to world cultures and social > relationships at levels which are an anomoly to most > homeschooling scenarios. > > Learning the fine art of social skills takes time to hone. > Understanding various lifestyles, (whether or not you accept > them), happening upon new opportunities--sometimes seemingly by > chance, are things that homeschooling cannot usually bring to > the table unless the situations are contrived. Granted, there > are always exceptions to this rule and we all recognize that! > > As I said before, HS is only as good as the people who provide > the education. I reflect upon one incident where a parent of a > special needs child removed the child from the school and > withdrew him from special education services because the parent > thought the school wasn't doing enough to educate him properly. > Well, the parent needed to sign forms that indicated the > parents' wishes and removed the school from liability due to the > fact that they declined special education services. > Ironically....... the parent couldn't even read or write well > enough to sign the forms! Yet he was going to homeschool the > child! > > Yes, this is an extreme example...but it makes a point unto > itself. > > Even as educators, we tend to teach what is comfortable and > familiar to us---which is a double-edged sword. If parents do > the same, there is the possibility that the child may get a > greater education--or one that is less well-rounded. It's > certainly a risk worth considering. > > Being an armchair teacher is much like being an armchair > psychologist... I've met both and neither impress me. Nothing > takes the place of true, highly-educated individuals teaching > using proven techniques, research-based practices, and a dearth > of well-rounded exposures to social, environmental, academic, > and emotional issues through as many experiences as possible. > > I'm off my soap box... > > > > > > > > On 4/07/05, Anonymous wrote: >> On 11/21/03, lisa wrote: >>> On 11/20/03, Mrs. Ryals wrote: >>>> I want to know what real teachers think about home >>>> schooling. I personally had very bad experiences in public >>>> school. Looking back I blame my parents for encouraging >>>> mistrust of authority and being generally unhelpful when I >>>> struggled with emotional problems. I can see now that my >>>> teachers did everything they could. >>>> >>>> I'm about to buy a packaged pre-school/kindergarten >>>> curriculum for my 3 year old. I'm excited about starting >>>> the program, but I'd like some outsiders opinions on it. I >>>> feel that most sites are strongly biased in favor of home >>>> schooling and I really want another view point. >>>> >>>> I also want advice as to the possibility of placing him in >>>> public school later. What would you want a parent to do to >>>> prepare their home schooled child for public school? >>>> >>>> Thanks bunches, >>>> Mrs. Ryals >>> >>> >>> I am a kindergarten teacher and a mom of a 4 1/2 year old >> and >>> a 2 1/2 year old. I am going to honestly answer all you have >>> asked. >>> >>> Prepackaged programs - I truly do not feel that a three year >>> old needs a program. If you feel you need it as a >> guideline, >>> that is fine. Three year olds are active and busy little >>> ones. Learning should be hands on and play based. It should >>> also involve a lot of peer interaction. Art activities, >>> stories, thinking skills are important things to work on. >>> >>> You also asked about placing back in the school system after >>> homeschooling. If you do this I would recommend that you >> try >>> to keep your child at the same grade level as they would >>> enter. If you unschool and don't push reading but then >> place >>> your child into a third grade class they will be behind. >>> >>> Onto my experience. I have a kindergartner from a >>> homeschooling family right now. The mom homeschools the two >>> boys and placed the girl with me. I assume that she will >>> begin homeschooling in first grade. This child has good >> rote >>> skills. Social skills are my concern. She acts like a >> baby. >>> Talks like one, works like one. I am not saying it is >>> because mom homeschools, but I will be concerned about her >>> social development if she is homeschooled. >>> >>> Social development is the hot topic for homeschooling. >>> Homeschoolers will assure you it is not a problem. As a >>> kindergarten teacher so much of what we do in the classroom >>> have a social or cooperative aspect to it. If you want to >>> talk about this further I would be happy to share more. >>> >>> If you want to know anything else please let me know. >>> >>> Lisa >> >> >> how sweet!
Hi - as a Speech Pathologist in the public schools of Indiana I am overwhelmed with both paperwork and caseload size. Out state has no caseload limits -- our district has been short staffed for almost five years and have used a variety of "fix it" means --- using elementary teachers as SLA's, hiring SLA staff, using contracted staff --- all were short term fixes and most created even more paperwork cleaning up the messes that were left. Three of my colleagues including myself are on bloodpressure medications do to job stress. Hope someone out there has found a creative way to solve public school speech and language therapy deliema!
On 11/25/03, M & M wrote: > Hi - as a Speech Pathologist in the public schools of > Indiana I am overwhelmed with both paperwork and caseload > size. Out state has no caseload limits -- our district has > been short staffed for almost five years and have used a > variety of "fix it" means --- using elementary teachers as > SLA's, hiring SLA staff, using contracted staff --- all > were short term fixes and most created even more paperwork > cleaning up the messes that were left. Three of my > colleagues including myself are on bloodpressure > medications do to job stress. Hope someone out there has > found a creative way to solve public school speech and > language therapy deliema!
Hi, I'm sorry I can't offer any solutions but I can deeply sympathise. My district has been understaffed in SLPs for the past three years and has made no effort to recruit. I am only maintaining my sanity by writing persistent letters to the personnel depapartment, the board and the superintendent. I am simply not stressing about the paperwork at this point and just doing what I can. They can fire me if they wish but I don't think they will as that would just compound the problem and I might try to mobilize parents to begin asserting their rights. Let me know if you get any more helpful responses than mine. Don't let the turkeys get you down and try some meditation to bring down that blood pressure. Its not worth sacrificing your health. Helen
Another study by Stone tells the same story...the NBPTS requirements don't help students, and, cost a bundle.
If they are giving a bonus to teachers in your state for jumping through the hoops, write your elected leader and ask just one question......prove it works or don't pay them a bonus.....otherwise it is a good way to spend money to be reassured you know how to follow directions
On 1/10/04, al wrote: > Another study by Stone tells the same story...the NBPTS > requirements don't help students, and, cost a bundle. > > If they are giving a bonus to teachers in your state for > jumping through the hoops, write your elected leader and > ask just one question......prove it works or don't pay them > a bonus.....otherwise it is a good way to spend money to be > reassured you know how to follow directions
Hi, folks, I have a question. My district requires that we do Daily Language PRactice, where sentences with errors in them are written on the board and children correct them. I am very uncomfortable with this. Years ago, I was taught NEVER to teach/show an incorrect example, that children will frequently internalize it. the practice of DLP seems to me to be showing the children the incorrect way to do something. My question: is there any research on this practice? Thank you for any help you can give.
Estos son mis pensamientos sobre el cambio de la educacion bilingue a un antiguo format de ESL que historicamente ha querido negar a los hispanos el acceso con igualdad al sistema de educacion en Estados Unidos. El acto de derechos civiles de 1964 garantizaba que cualquier persona no fuera excluida de la participacion y no se le podia negar los beneficios de un programa apoyado por el estado federal en base a su raza, su color y su origen nacional. Con la ley que paso por Lau v Nichols se convirtio en un mandato para la educacion bilingue. Legalmente los hispanos, y asiaticos lucharon para que se le diera atencion a las necesidades de los estudiantes que tuvieran dificultad en el aprendizaje del ingles, ademas de garantizar que los alumnos fueran asesorados en su propio idioma. Esto garantizaba que cada alumno tuviera proteccion en la hora de poder comunicar con las escuelas en un idioma que fuera entendido tanto por los padres como los hijos. Que pensais de La nueva ley en que minimiza el uso del idioma del español en los salones? Nuestros hijos deberian olvidarse de su pasado y borrar todo los tesoros de su pasado?.... Deben llegar en un punto en que no pueden ni hablar con sus abuelos y necesitan clases particulares de español?... necesitan seguir triturando sus nombres y sus idiomas para que otros nos entienden? No hay suficientes hispanos alrededor de Estados Unidos para levantar las voces y proteger un idioma en peligro?... Que se puede hacer para parar la PERDIDA DE NUESTROS IDIOMAS? Escribirme con valor pues esto es lo ultimo que nos queda....
It's all about MONEY. Each time a student fails a test and is required to take the test a second, a third, etc. that is about $75.00 to $80.00 each time. Think of the money that is made. The tests look to be on recycled paper, so how much expense would that be? Lack of teachers - the higher learning people need to walk around in the real world, where the learning disabled, the poverty stricken live and then make the tests. The ones missing out are the children who need some common sense thinkers.
On 2/03/04, May wrote: > It's all about MONEY. Each time a student fails a test and > is required to take the test a second, a third, etc. that > is about $75.00 to $80.00 each time. Think of the money > that is made. The tests look to be on recycled paper, so > how much expense would that be? Lack of teachers - the > higher learning people need to walk around in the real > world, where the learning disabled, the poverty stricken > live and then make the tests. The ones missing out are the > children who need some common sense thinkers.
(When Prayer was taken out of Public Schools,SO WAS GOD.) LOOK at what Happens After God is Taken OUT OF THE Public Schools.
Jan 17-2003,A judge will decide later this month if two Penn Trafford High School seniors accused of kidnapping and assaulting other students will be tried as juveniles. A teenager is brutally beaten; police have charged two students, ages 14 and 15, with aggravated assault. .....18- year-old Ian Boothroyd describing the vicious attack. It happened in the hallway of Albert Gallatin High School, during school hours Feb 11-2004,Elk Grove police have arrested two Laguna Creek High School students in connection with an alleged plot to shoot other students and set off explosive devices on campus. May 3-2003,Emergency crews were called to the scene of a shooting at a Cambria County school. May 1,2003,Butler County officials said a 14-year-old girl was reportedly trapped inside a locker at a Butler Intermediate School.
This is just a SMALL bit of PROOF that God Almighty HAS been taken out of Public Schools.
"O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish." 2Nephi 9:28
In an article titled ¡°China EFL: A Case of False Advertising,¡± (GOOGLE SEARCH) TEFL.com was identified as a web site which carries China EFL/ESL teacher job advertisements which do not comply with the SAFEA regulations for the recruitment of teachers for China.
In response to that article TEFL.com claimed, amongst other things, that it was not subject to the laws of China. (Lawsuit Threatened)
There is an apparent new wrinkle in TEFL.com¡¯s China EFL advertising. Rather than demand that advertising comply with Chinese goals, objectives and laws, it appears that TEFL.com will continue to run advertisements which require no prior teaching experience or college degree by simply trying to avoid any liability under Chinese law through placing the following statement on its emails:
"To access this e-mail, our website and our services YOU MUST AGREE that the contents and our relationship are governed by the law of England and Wales. If you do not agree, you are not at liberty to proceed beyond this point. If you do proceed, that is your agreement to this statement."
A spot check of TEFL.com on February 29, 2004 revealed that their China EFL/ESL ads were still not in compliance with the SAFEA Regulations.
A very knowledgeable and well respected British friend, who for obvious reasons does not want to become embroiled in this matter, writes the following commentary:
¡°As I read the TEFL.com disclaimer, without any knowledge of applicable UK advertising laws, TELF.com, but in the knowledge that the contents of advertisements displayed on their Website may be misleading, and in the [assumed] knowledge that they are aware of existing Chinese Law with respect to "pre-qualifications" required of applicants for teaching positions as Foreign Experts; the disclaimer itself may be in beach of the relevant UK legislation governing the publishing of advertising that is knowingly and substantially untrue. Such a disclaimer [in most Western countries] does not absolve the publisher of responsibility.
If they were to be fair to all concerned, both advertiser AND reader, they would publish the relevant Chinese legislation on their site, in an obvious position, thus allowing the reader and potential applicant the opportunity to make a valued judgment. By not doing so and resorting to legal "gobbly-gook" they are only discrediting themselves and the good name of TEFL, as a consequence.¡±
Another friend writes ¡°I do stand to be corrected on this, but I was always under the impression that under English law advertisments had to be factual and honest. Any untruths were punishable with a hefty fine and possible imprisonment.¡±
To be completely fair to TEFL.com, let us assume, for the sake of argument, that they are not in violation of any law, policy, goal or objective of any country. The fact remains that they are running job advertisements for EFL/ESL teaching positions which claim to require no EFL? ESL training or experience, let alone any regular teacher training or teaching experience. Every professional teacher in the world should be reeling from the sting of this resounding disrespectful slap in the face. TEFL.com reduces the teaching profession to a glorified babysitting job.
Professional teachers everywhere should consider boycotting this web site that shows so much disrespect and contempt for their profession, while milking it for whatever advertising income may be available.
I was wondering if you’d heard about the unfortunate remark Secretary of Education Rod Paige recently made about the NEA? Sec. Paige referred to the NEA a “terrorist organization” at a White House meeting of state governors a few weeks ago. I was pretty shocked that Paige would go that far and use that type of language!
The organization I work for, GiveKidsGoodSchools.com, is concerned that Paige’s words indicate a lack of respect for America’s educators so we’re running a letter writing campaign to ask Secretary Paige to foster a spirit of cooperation and respect with America’s educators and the groups like the NEA that serve them. I was wondering if you’d help us spread the word about this.
Here is the link to the page on our web site that allows people to send a free letter to Rod Paige. [link removed]
GiveKidsGoodSchools.com is a nonprofit advocacy group dedicated to improving the quality of public education for America’s kids.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Best, Andrew
Here are a few links to some news coverage of the Secretary’s remarks:
I am a psychologist---so I cannot speak to the daily classroom
aspect of things directly, but certainly can make arguments for
the special education needs and children with specific learning
difficulties.
I believe home-schooling is only as good as the parent(s) who
provide it for their children. So...See More