I am a current long-term sub in a 6th grade class. I most likely will work until the end of the school year. The position I am subbing for is open next year b/c the teacher is retiring.
I applied for the position (as well as 4 others) and received a letter saying I "am not recommended for the position." I am FULLY qualified under NCLB standards, I got my credential from a highly esteemed university, and, well, I am currently working in the job being offered! I feel I was for some reason treated unfairly since I was denied even a chance at the position or any position for that matter. How can I "fight for my right" ? ? ? and maybe get a chance? ? ?
On 4/22/04, gm wrote: > I am a current long-term sub in a 6th grade class. I most > likely will work until the end of the school year. The > position I am subbing for is open next year b/c the > teacher is retiring. > > I applied for the position (as well as 4 others) and > received a letter saying I "am not recommended for the > position." I am FULLY qualified under NCLB standards, I > got my credential from a highly esteemed university, and, > well, I am currently working in the job being offered! I > feel I was for some reason treated unfairly since I was > denied even a chance at the position or any position for > that matter. How can I "fight for my right" ? ? ? and > maybe get a chance? ? ?
Dear GM; If you are highly qualified in Texas you wont get that job. The state SBOE and Texas Education Agency (where NCLB was developed) are hiring totally unqualified candidates by SBOE newly developed policy to save money because of a so-called budget shortfall (Texas teachers are always called upon to make sacrifices for the state's screwups, no matter how many of us loose our jobs and livelyhoods!). The TEA is also paying Texas Teaching Fellows to find these unqualified people (all they have to have is an applicable degree, no other experience!). I have 30 years experience and have been told by numerous principals and superintendents I wont be able to get a public teaching job in Texas ever again--there goes my life. A friend of mine was recently terminated because of too much experience, no other reason. Try another state that cares about teachers and students; not the almighty buck. GOOD LUCK!
yeah CA is trying to do the same thing but secretly! But they also claim NCLB will NOT let hiring of people without a FULL credential happen. But then they just "happen" to hire long- term subs instead and claim "there were no job applicants so we had to". when in reality over 1,000 people apply!
On 4/26/04, ALLEN NEVILLE TH E CHAIRMAN wrote: > MY NAME IS ALLEN NEVILLE I'M DOING SOME RESERCH ON THE > CRIM AND OTHER STUFF STUDENTS DO SO PLEASE ANSWER MY > QUESTION AND GET BACK TO ME > > 1.DO YOU THINK THE DRUGS RATE HAS GONE UP SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 2.DO YOU THINK SUICIDE HAS GONE UP SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 3.DO YOU THINK ABORTION HAS GONE UP SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 4.DO YOU THINK TEENAGE PREGNECY HAS GONE UP SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 5.DO YOU THINK THE CHRIM RATE HAS GONE UP SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 6.DO YOU THINK FIGHTING IN SCHOOLS HAS GONE UP SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 7.DO YOU THINK TAKING GUNS AND KNIFE TO SCHOOL HAS GONE UP > SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 8.DO YOU THINK SWEARING AND NO RESPECT FOR TEACHER HAS > GONE UP SINCE 1962 > YES OR NO WHAT PERCENTAGE 1&37; 10&37;50&37;100&37; > > 9. IF YOU COULD? CHANGE TO SCHOOLS WHAT WOULD IT BE > > PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND GET THEM BACK > > ALLEN > link [link removed]
I think you should change the question to "Do you think 'blank' went up between 1900-1962?"
Hello I have applied for a job in an experiemtnal school in my hometown, and been invited to spend all of part of the day there on two separate occasions to give free demo lessons and assist in behavior management.
I have observed that in my opinion, the school lacks discipline, and when I asked about school rules one student said "this school has no rules", and only after asking several people was I able to get my hands on a copy of the student rule book. One time, a student answered their ringing cell phone and was talking on the phone in their seventh grade class. Another time, a girl was listening to her walkman on high volume in the middle of class. Some students do whatever they want, and some teachers do not effectively assert their authority.
The student I was asked to work with today has been described as someone with ADD related problem behavior and indeed, he did not follow directions, respect teachers' requests, or do his work for part of the day.
I feel that this student may be discriminated against for his hispanic background, although I am not totally sure, and I am sure the people doing this would deny it and are unaware of it. Today the principal threatened this boy with calling the police, right in front of me, and said he has already called the police on two other students this year. A few minutes later, he asked what the boy was supposed to be doing, as appartently the principal had no idea why he was even upset with this boy. He just knew that the boy has been sent to the office for some type of misbehavior.
This boy is not violent, he just has ADD and he is in an environment with no structure or rules. He is always in trouble and he is given no alterative other than vague platitudes and threats from the adults around him. He was at his tender age being treated like a criminal, and someone told me "he is heading down the wrong road, he better shape up". More platitudes, but how are they actually teaching him to follow the rules, which are not posted anywhere and are barely known to exist at all?
It makes me furious that this boy is being harmed by this middle school, and there is not much I can do about it, other than notify someone on the school committee whom I know would be as a larmed as I am about my observations.
My question is, should I blow the whistle anonymously by sharing my observations with a school committee member? I feel badly about it in a way because I was a temp secretary for the principal of this school, and he is not a totally horrible guy. However I think that my allegiance must be to the children. Do I sound crazy, self righteous, or what???
Thank you for your advice!! What would you do? To top it off, I feel totally qualified to work there, and was told by someone after giving them two days of free work that they need to think about it over the weekend??!!
P.S. This school has been notified by the state that they have some areas which need improvement, including areas for which I have credentials, and many in the town have been fighting them from day one.
I don't know about the parents, as I was just in the school for two days as a job applicant. I do know the boy said several times he is transferring out of this school at the end of the year because it sucks. He is on an IEP, which by the way, was lying out in plain view for me to peruse, in an unattended classroom.
If I am offered a job at this school, I will take it because I need to pay my bills, and currently I am working in a low- paying non-education job. I do feel somewhat strange about accepting a job at a place which I think has such serious problems. However if I work there, at least I can do my part to fix it.
As for blowing the whistle, I could do that regardless of my employment status, although there seems to be something two- faced about it.
On 5/22/04, Ellen the Advocate wrote: > Where are the parents? Are they aware of what is going on? > Are they unhappy? Is this kid on an IEP? > Ellen SPED Advocate in MA > > > On 5/21/04, self_righteously_indignant wrote: >> Hello I have applied for a job in an experiemtnal school in >> my hometown, and been invited to spend all of part of the >> day there on two separate occasions to give free demo >> lessons and assist in behavior management. >> >> I have observed that in my opinion, the school lacks >> discipline, and when I asked about school rules one student >> said "this school has no rules", and only after asking >> several people was I able to get my hands on a copy of the >> student rule book. One time, a student answered their >> ringing cell phone and was talking on the phone in their >> seventh grade class. Another time, a girl was listening to >> her walkman on high volume in the middle of class. Some >> students do whatever they want, and some teachers do not >> effectively assert their authority. >> >> The student I was asked to work with today has been >> described as someone with ADD related problem behavior and >> indeed, he did not follow directions, respect teachers' >> requests, or do his work for part of the day. >> >> I feel that this student may be discriminated against for >> his hispanic background, although I am not totally sure, >> and I am sure the people doing this would deny it and are >> unaware of it. Today the principal threatened this boy with >> calling the police, right in front of me, and said he has >> already called the police on two other students this year. >> A few minutes later, he asked what the boy was supposed to >> be doing, as appartently the principal had no idea why he >> was even upset with this boy. He just knew that the boy has >> been sent to the office for some type of misbehavior. >> >> This boy is not violent, he just has ADD and he is in an >> environment with no structure or rules. He is always in >> trouble and he is given no alterative other than vague >> platitudes and threats from the adults around him. He was >> at his tender age being treated like a criminal, and >> someone told me "he is heading down the wrong road, he >> better shape up". More platitudes, but how are they >> actually teaching him to follow the rules, which are not >> posted anywhere and are barely known to exist at all? >> >> It makes me furious that this boy is being harmed by this >> middle school, and there is not much I can do about it, >> other than notify someone on the school committee whom I >> know would be as a larmed as I am about my observations. >> >> My question is, should I blow the whistle anonymously by >> sharing my observations with a school committee member? I >> feel badly about it in a way because I was a temp secretary >> for the principal of this school, and he is not a totally >> horrible guy. However I think that my allegiance must be to >> the children. Do I sound crazy, self righteous, or what??? >> >> Thank you for your advice!! What would you do? To top it >> off, I feel totally qualified to work there, and was told >> by someone after giving them two days of free work that >> they need to think about it over the weekend??!! >> >> P.S. This school has been notified by the state that they >> have some areas which need improvement, including areas for >> which I have credentials, and many in the town have been >> fighting them from day one.
On 5/22/04, self_righteously_indignant wrote: > I don't know about the parents, as I was just in the school for > two days as a job applicant. I do know the boy said several > times he is transferring out of this school at the end of the > year because it sucks. He is on an IEP, which by the way, was > lying out in plain view for me to peruse, in an unattended > classroom. > > If I am offered a job at this school, I will take it because I > need to pay my bills, and currently I am working in a low- > paying non-education job. I do feel somewhat strange about > accepting a job at a place which I think has such serious > problems. However if I work there, at least I can do my part to > fix it.
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I'm going to respond not to your question about the whistleblowing, but to the concern that I have about you taking this job if offered. In doing so, I take the liberty of making predictions based on some experience picked up in my trips around the sun. I may sound cynical--that is not my intent. It's a glorious summer day out there, and I'm in here typing--that's how important I think this is. Please carefully consider my words.
I get the feeling from your posts that you are young(ish) and tryng to establish yourself in the profession. If that is not the case, then this advice doesn't apply so much; by now you should be politically adroit enough to watch out for your survival. If you are a newbie, however, I urge you to learn from others' experience--it's less painful and less expensive.
If you have put in the time, expense, and energy in becoming certified, I would strongly advise against taking a teaching job at this school. STRONGLY. Don't go there. I think it would be a very destructive move for your career, and maybe a career-ending move as well, for a number of reasons, which I will detail.
For some of us, teaching is not just a job, but a passion and a calling. If that is true of you, then you have a gift to share with students and their families. Husband and shepard that gift, nurture your ability to grow as a teacher, and seek out people and situations that will do that as well.
Teaching is the greatest profession in the world, and second in importance only to parenting (IMO.) It will also suck every bit of time and energy from you that you are willing to let it have. Part of the task you face in the green season of your teaching is to decide where and how you will draw boundaries between work and the part of you that you must maintain for yourself, friends, family, professional growth, etc. It sounds as if this position is already in violation of ethical boundaries, and that violation is the most corrosive of any.
Taking a professional position is something like getting into a relationship. It is frequently easier to get in than it is to get out, so one wants to look carefully before leaping.
It's also generally true that what you have at the beginning is generally what you will have years later. If people argue before they marry, they will continue to do so. If one of you goes off in silence and sulks, thirty years later, that person will still sulk.
These people are not being straightforward with you while you are still in a bargaining position; it may be because he is not honest, but it sounds more likely that he is so lost in chaos he cannot locate his butt with both hands. This will probably not improve once you've signed a contract; logic suggests that it will get worse.
When you take a job, you put a great deal of trust in your employer, not only to treat you squarely while you work for them, but in years to come when he or she can make or break your career by the quality of recommendations they will write for you, and give by word of mouth. Is this person worthy of that kind of trust? Not from what you've described so far. One bad recommendation may not destroy a career, but it may lose you several jobs in the course of trying to build it.
Teaching is difficult enough when you are a strong advocate for the school and district that you've joined. If you already have concerns about being a whistle-blower, you are asking yourself to give your time and spirit to an organization that is led by principles and a principal in which you don't believe. I predict that you will find yourself laying awake nights with the toxins of anger and frustration eating at you-- my guess is that you've already lost sleep over this. Picture yourself going through that night after night after night. . . .
Now. Picture yourself in that same position, and someone has found out (and it happens) that you are the whistleblower. You've just gone from doing hard time to solitary.
I read a post somewhere on this board where a person went to school every day and had to tell himself (herself?): "Don't quit before lunch. Don't quit before lunch," and after lunch? "DOn't quit before 3:30. . . " every single day. Every day. Any chance that this job could be like that?
If you go in as an advocate for change and an advocate for the children, there is an excellent chance that this position will eat you alive. Could one person make a difference? Probably to some extent, but I think the problem you describe is bigger than any one person. Before you can save the children and the school, they have to want to be saved--and I'm not sure that they do. I suspect that when you ask these students to put away their cell phones and pay attention, they will not respond with, "Thank you, I appreciate what you are doing here."
If there is not clarity of expectations for students, there is probably the same vagueness of expectations for teachers, so you will find yourself running afoul of rules that you didn't know existed.
You'll make mistakes in teaching, and part of the job of a principal is to disciple you, to help you learn better ways of teaching and functioning within the system. If your principal has to correct you, you want that to be a learning and growth experience. You've seen an example of his discipline style with the students; you've probably seen his leadership style at work. Can you picture yourself at the receiving end of the same kind of `help?' He doesn't sound like an evil person, just one who is doing evil things as a result of lack of vision, clarity, and resolve. Could you support and follow this person? Why would you want to?
The school sounds systematically sick, and I would expect that your ideas and energy will be sucked into the game and become part of the dynamics of what is going on. You may go in there to slay the dragon, but from the dragon's point of view, you're lunch.
Another concern is that the habits and techniques you develop in the first years of teaching tend to follow you. You want to establish yourself at a school where the teachers can be mentors, not fellow sufferers or idiots. Do you want what you see there to become your teaching style? If they are discriminating against students based on ethnicity, are they likely to be people you want as mentors?
Finally, I am very concerned about the IEP left laying around. They are breaking the law, as I infer that you already know. The discrimination is more difficult to pin down, but still a red flag. I think this school may be foundering. SOme of them are stuck, and will have to ride that ship right down to the bottom of the ocean. You're still standing on the dock. Why would you want to get on board? Money??? Trust me, they will not pay you enough to compensate what it will cost you to work there.
Signing a contract at that school could end the teaching career you worked so hard for, for two reasons. One is that the taint of working there may rub off both on your teaching and on your reputation.
Frequently, school districts tolerate the presence of charter schools and alternative schools because it gives them a place to send the kids they don't want to teach, but that doesn't mean they look at it as a minor league for the growth of new teachers. It's been my observation that they'd rather get them young and raise them up right than try to fight bad habits developed elsewhere. If the district you're in is already hard to get into, instead of this being a foot in the door, it could be the kiss of death.
The other reason is that if it's as sour an experience as your words give reason to believe it could be, you may find yourself giving up on teaching altogether.
Take a clue from the student who wants to get out. Don't go there.
There is a great big wonderful world out there, and a multitude of teaching jobs available. If you're willing to travel, you could see the world with your teaching degree. There are school systems out there that are worthy of your respect, time, energy, and dedication. There are principals out there who are worthy of your trust. There are teachers out there who have taught for years and managed to retain their ethics. These are the people you want to work with; your idealism makes that obvious.
I've worked for people with whom I disagree, but when push came to shove, they were in the position to make the judgement call, and I supported them not because I agreed, but because I trusted them, and trusted that they were privy to information that I didn't have. If you can't work for someone like that, why work for anyone?
Just my .02, feel free to disagree. But before you sign, if you have friends, family, professors, etc., whom you can talk things over with, please seek their counsel. Drop in on the administrative chatboard on this site and ask opinions there. Think, think, think again before you take this job offer.
Kathleen
On 5/21/04, self_righteously_indignant wrote: > Hello I have applied for a job in an experiemtnal school in > my hometown, and been invited to spend all of part of the > day there on two separate occasions to give free demo > lessons and assist in behavior management. > > I have observed that in my opinion, the school lacks > discipline, and when I asked about school rules one student > said "this school has no rules", and only after asking > several people was I able to get my hands on a copy of the > student rule book. One time, a student answered their > ringing cell phone and was talking on the phone in their > seventh grade class. Another time, a girl was listening to > her walkman on high volume in the middle of class. Some > students do whatever they want, and some teachers do not > effectively assert their authority. > > The student I was asked to work with today has been > described as someone with ADD related problem behavior and > indeed, he did not follow directions, respect teachers' > requests, or do his work for part of the day. > > I feel that this student may be discriminated against for > his hispanic background, although I am not totally sure, > and I am sure the people doing this would deny it and are > unaware of it. Today the principal threatened this boy with > calling the police, right in front of me, and said he has > already called the police on two other students this year. > A few minutes later, he asked what the boy was supposed to > be doing, as appartently the principal had no idea why he > was even upset with this boy. He just knew that the boy has > been sent to the office for some type of misbehavior. > > This boy is not violent, he just has ADD and he is in an > environment with no structure or rules. He is always in > trouble and he is given no alterative other than vague > platitudes and threats from the adults around him. He was > at his tender age being treated like a criminal, and > someone told me "he is heading down the wrong road, he > better shape up". More platitudes, but how are they > actually teaching him to follow the rules, which are not > posted anywhere and are barely known to exist at all? > > It makes me furious that this boy is being harmed by this > middle school, and there is not much I can do about it, > other than notify someone on the school committee whom I > know would be as a larmed as I am about my observations. > > My question is, should I blow the whistle anonymously by > sharing my observations with a school committee member? I > feel badly about it in a way because I was a temp secretary > for the principal of this school, and he is not a totally > horrible guy. However I think that my allegiance must be to > the children. Do I sound crazy, self righteous, or what??? > > Thank you for your advice!! What would you do? To top it > off, I feel totally qualified to work there, and was told > by someone after giving them two days of free work that > they need to think about it over the weekend??!! > > P.S. This school has been notified by the state that they > have some areas which need improvement, including areas for > which I have credentials, and many in the town have been > fighting them from day one.
You seem to be a very smart person. Sooooo let's start a new discussion that also pertains to advocacy and you can help keep it going if you are interested.
The prayer/school stuff is a dead horse. Agreement is not to be had.
So how about
The dreaded No Child Left Behind The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act Crappy school lunches Playground equipment, or the lack thereof?
I come to the ed advocacy board because it's my job to advocate for children with special needs in the public school system. THERE IS NEVER ANY ADVOCACY TALK GOING ON HERE.
You're funny. Actually, I do insist they pack lunches 3 out of 5 days. I think that it's odd that the school is always touting good eating practices then serve up high fat, high calorie, processed, sodiumed to the hilt food. I personally wouldn't mind if school meal programs went away but I also know that for many children it's the only meal they get during the day. I read somewhere that school meal programs are not wide spread in Canada, is that true?
Anyone who lives under my roof is subject to my rules. Age is makes no difference. Cuz, I'm the Mom. My motto, with my 2 adult children is, get up and get moving on what you need to do or get up and get packing. No ifs ands or buts or about it.
On 6/08/04, Vance wrote: > On 6/08/04, Mel wrote: >> Gee, I was beginning to wonder what happened to you. >> >> Let's see, NCLB is meant to keep kids from dragging down the >> clas by putting special programs in place (over simplified). >> But it isn't working very well. In fact, it's causing a >> headache for most people. >> >> The IDEA is a good law meant to do good things but like NCLB > it >> is seriously flawed too. My job is to help the parents and >> students navigate the system (I'm not a teacher). It's a >> complicated issue too. >> >> School lunches bite. But, my kids actually prefer to eat them. >> Go figure? >> >> Playground equipment was just something I threw out. I know >> some schools have better than others. I was just tired of the >> prayer thread. It's an unswayable opinion thread. >> > > Well, of course your kids prefer them. Fat tastes good. But if > you really don't want them to eat it, don't give them money for > it (it's not like they have jobs, and if they do then I think > they're old enough to make their own decision to eat crappy > food).
On 6/08/04, Mel wrote: > You're funny. Actually, I do insist they pack lunches 3 out of 5 > days. I think that it's odd that the school is always touting good > eating practices then serve up high fat, high calorie, processed, > sodiumed to the hilt food. I personally wouldn't mind if school > meal programs went away but I also know that for many children it's > the only meal they get during the day. I read somewhere that school > meal programs are not wide spread in Canada, is that true? > > Anyone who lives under my roof is subject to my rules. Age is makes > no difference. Cuz, I'm the Mom. My motto, with my 2 adult children > is, get up and get moving on what you need to do or get up and get > packing. No ifs ands or buts or about it. >
From my personal experience, the only day that food was sold in elementary school was on Fridays, and it was always pepporoni pizza (Pizza isn't even bad for you, as long as there isn't a ton of grease like the ones from Pizza Hut, which we did not get pizza from). There is a cafeteria in high school, which I never go to because it's a pain in the ass to wait in line. I think my caf serves burgers, fries, chocolate chip cookies, and some other things, and then each day of the week there is a special, like pizza or pizza bagels or some kind of sandwich. And of course there is all kinds of pop and chocolate bars and chips you can get from a vending machine, but there is also fruit juices and water in the vending machines.
On 6/05/04, Julie wrote: > Question for critical thinking in one of my classes- > > Does society influence education or does education > influence society?
It's a trick question. They both influence each other.
> i am from india ,i teach at an orphange for girls ,my > students are having vacation ,but they are 'nt fortunate to > go on vacation ,to bring some excitedment & know different > countries which ,they can only dream of visiting ,i have > started post card project ,can you plz exchang post card > with us ,plz do contact us ,we are looking for ppl from different part of world
On 6/10/04, nilo wrote: >> i am from india ,i teach at an orphange for girls ,my >> students are having vacation ,but they are 'nt fortunate > to >> go on vacation ,to bring some excitedment & know > different >> countries which ,they can only dream of visiting ,i have >> started post card project ,can you plz exchang post card >> with us ,plz do contact us ,we are looking for ppl from > different part of world
I'm not sure I understand. Your students are on vacation, but they aren't fortunate to go on vacation? Do you mean they WANT to go on vacation, but aren't fortunate enough to go?
Yes that's what she means. From a post on another board I gather that they are in an orphanage.
On 6/10/04, Vance wrote: > On 6/10/04, nilo wrote: >>> i am from india ,i teach at an orphange for girls ,my >>> students are having vacation ,but they are 'nt fortunate >> to >>> go on vacation ,to bring some excitedment & know >> different >>> countries which ,they can only dream of visiting ,i have >>> started post card project ,can you plz exchang post card >>> with us ,plz do contact us ,we are looking for ppl from >> different part of world > > I'm not sure I understand. Your students are on vacation, > but they aren't fortunate to go on vacation? Do you mean > they WANT to go on vacation, but aren't fortunate enough to > go?
Please contact your assemblyman. Here is a link to find out the contact numbers for your area. You are under a time constraint that must be changed. [link removed]:
Dear ******, I am a newly certified teacher, with an initial certificate to be issued in September. The initial teaching certifications require that a new graduate become employed immediately, with a fulltime position, and complete 3 years of teaching, while attending graduate school. The new teachers have 3 years to complete this.
Teaching jobs are difficult to secure and often require a year or two of substituting in the district before being offered a position. Substituting is a great way for new teacher to become exposed to many teaching styles and learn classroom management. Sometimes a new teacher can take a part-time teaching position until a fulltime position is available, however this means they will not meet the 3 year timeline.
There are many studies that show that a teacher's first years are the most difficult. So if a recent graduate is able to secure a fulltime position they will have a very large task to master. To add to the burden of a new hired teacher with the initial certificate, he/she must begin a rigorous higher level degree program. A master's degree is difficult to earn, and should be. This is a task that requires much personal time and dedication.
To have the time frame so short is putting many new teachers at risk of burnout, and leaving the profession due to the unreasonable workload. Please contact the State Office of Teaching Initiatives to see what can be done to rectify these issues. 1. 3 years fulltime teaching in 3 years (no time allowed for finding and securing a position) 2. 3 years to complete a program that is difficult and will take two to three years due to the fulltime employment.
I just saw that Jonathan Kozol is coming out with a new book on September 7, 2004! I am anxiously awaiting it's arrival. I am also wondering if he will be doing talks, book signings, etc. closer to the release date.
On 4/22/04, gm wrote:
> I am a current long-term sub in a 6th grade class. I most
> likely will work until the end of the school year. The
> position I am subbing for is open next year b/c the
> teacher is retiring.
>
> I applied for the position (as well as 4 others) and
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