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What do You Do When Kids Hate You?

by The Mean Art Teacher

Dec 19, 2013

I don't think I am mean at all but my 7th grade class does. I am simply demanding and want them to do their best and not give me half___ art. But I seen as that "Mean Art Teacher" . I am at a loss. What should I do? I think I will try to set clearer expectations for each assignment and also let the students choose the consequences for breaking the rules as a group so it doesn't look like I am picking on students. It will be a group decision. What more can I do?

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Hmmm... Typical 7th grade there, these students start to evolve from being 6th pleasers to sort of rebeling and testing the waters. They also see what 8th graders do and want to be cool like them.

I could never live with myself being a pushover type teacher in the room, rather be firm and work them and the students know I will help them and know w...See More

Dec 19, 2013

Josie Holding students to high standards is critical---and will often times meet resistence UNLESS the delivery exudes "I know you can do this--- you can do much better and I want that for you! I have faith in you, and never will I ever believe that this is your best work." It sounds simple, but if they really and truly believe that you care about them, ...See More

Dec 19, 2013

Artst1Teaching Josie, Can you share more on this topic....or do you have a blog or something? Such helpful info I've needed to hear too. Thanks for sharing! .On 12/19/13, Josie wrote: > Holding students to high standards is critical---and will often > times meet resistence UNLESS the delivery exudes "I know you can > do this--- you can do much better and...See More

Dec 26, 2013

The Mean Art Teacher Very well said and helpful. All the comments have been. I guess I need to just be me and even get firmer in what I do and say. I shouldn't compromise. I guess a classroom has to be a dictatorship to some degree. If they hate me they hate me. I don't think all of them hate me. But if you can't please everyone, so be it. But my goal is for each of th...See More

Dec 26, 2013

Josie I don't have a blog (maybe when my own kids are grown and I have more free time! I do like to write....writing a book some day is on the bucket list.) :) I would say first and foremost, commit to a mission-- decide what it is you really want to accomplish in that classroom. For me, I want to use the art room as a place to inspire students to be the...See MoreI don't have a blog (maybe when my own kids are grown and I have more free time! I do like to write....writing a book some day is on the bucket list.) :) I would say first and foremost, commit to a mission-- decide what it is you really want to accomplish in that classroom. For me, I want to use the art room as a place to inspire students to be the best people they can be. To be stronger, more creative, kinder, more open, patient, persistent, determined people with a work ethic they can be proud of and which will set them up for success as adults. Once you see the big picture it all becomes so much more more important than design principles and color theory. The lessons you teach through your subject matter actually shape lives.... and knowing that creates instant enthusiasm on your part that is contagious. It needs to be authentic-- adolescents are very intuitive and they value/respect honesty. The thing is that teaching the visual art standards are crucial for students to learn in order to create beautiful art. Without the beautiful end result you can't teach them the rewards of patience, persistence, and hard work. So I teach my students the standards and set the bar high but only because I am looking at the big picture. I could care less in 20 years if my students remember what analogous colors are. But if they learn the value of hard work, taking pride in what they do, etc. then I will feel that I have done SOMETHING. I started teaching this way because I felt that teaching students to have good character etc was so important and was lacking in our current educational system. What ended up happening though, is that it not only inspired ME to do good work and feel that my job was important, but it inspired THEM to do better work in class. When someone believes in you, and believes whole heartedly that whether or not you finish this project well is a direct result of your character, it's hard to let them down. It must, must, must be coupled with positive encouragement--but also a no nonsense way of getting across the idea that "I won't accept any less from you---because I know you are better than that." Teachers mention all the time when they see artwork displayed, "How did you get John to work for you like that? I can't believe he painted that!" I had one of my most unmotivated students win a Scholastic art award one year--- it was such a great moment! If you are interested in tweaking your discipline style, I would say reading Jim Fay's Love and Logic books are a wonderful place to start. They mesh perfectly with the ideas I've described above.... His philosophy is all about holding students accountable for their actions. You must follow through with consequences, give them with empathy (this is where the psychology piece comes in) and given consistently. When done correctly, there is no "getting angry!" I haven't truly felt angry in the art room in years (frustrated yes, but anger...not so much.) It is because I am always in control of the situation, and the responsibility is put back on the kids. Here is one of my favorite examples. One of my most difficult to reach students would constantly have the girls wash his brushes out for him during clean up time. I noticed it one day... The girls at his table would just pick up his brushes and wash them! One day, I asked them to leave it and said, "John, don't forget about your brushes--they are still there on the table." He ignored my reminder (as I knew he would) and proceeded to leave when I dismissed class. Now I had this particular class last period, so I chose specifically to work my consequence around that. I also chose that time because I knew how much he loved this time of the day, hanging out with all of his friends at his locker. I waited until it was time to leave and as he was about to walk out said, "Oh John you forgot! No worries....you can do it now. Hey, next time do it during clean up time--that's what that time is for." The next day in class, I watched him carefully. This time, he picked up the brushes/container from the table (didn't want to have to stay after again!) But do you know what that little stinker did? Carefully threw them out in the garbage on his way back to his seat. Brushes, cup, water and all. Did I get mad? Make a scene? Nope. Waited until the class was leaving, walked over to the garbage, picked them out and said, "Looks like you're still not sure about what to do with your brushes, so let me show you now how to wash them, and then I'll watch to make sure you are doing it properly." I kept him longer this time as I dragged out the "washing lesson." The next day, John washed his brushes out in the sink, and the following class I actually caught him washing out SEVERAL brushes. I remember leaning over the sink next to him, and said quietly, "John Smith, am I actually watching you wash out your CLASSMATES brushes today?" "I do believe you are Mrs. B" he said with a smirk. GREAT moment! Will never forget it :) There is no reason at all why your students should ever hate you. My own children dont hate me and yet I am very strict with them and have very high standards. They know though that I LOVE them and give them consequences to teach them. They know that I want them to grow up to be good, wonderful, successful, happy people. It's the same with our students. They will respect you if you hold them to high standards, but do it with compassion, love, and constantly make it clear that you care about them and THAT is why you will not let them take the easy way out. I sometimes equate that "easy" style of teaching with laziness. I say, "If I didn't care about you, I'd set out some paint, and go sit at my desk and grade papers. Do you ever see me sit down? No! I am out there making sure everyone is successful because I care so much about you. If I'm out there working my butt off, is it so much to ask that you do the same for me?" Always said with a smile---always said out of love. They pick up on that, and I promise, they will respond to it. Give it time...relationships are not built in a day, but when they are built, they are stronger than you ever thought possible! :) On 12/26/13, Artst1Teaching wrote: > Josie, > Can you share more on this topic....or do you have a blog or > > something? Such helpful info I've needed to hear too. Thanks for > > sharing! > > .On 12/19/13, Josie wrote: > >> Holding students to high standards is critical---and will often >> times meet resistence UNLESS the delivery exudes "I know you can >> do this--- you can do much better and I want that for you! I have >> faith in you, and never will I ever believe that this is your >> best work." It sounds simple, but if they really and truly >> believe that you care about them, they will work for you. They >> will want to please you. There isn't one magic way to accomplish >> this, and it takes time.... but building that relationship with >> students will solve a LOT of the motivation problems. I have >> told a student before, "If I didn't care about you.... If I >> thought you couldn't do this....If I thought you were too stupid >> to understand, I would simply nod and say "Ok Jimmy, that's your >> best-- give you a D and move on. I know that isn't true---you >> are bright, you are talented, and if you work hard, you can >> accomplish more than you ever thought. I want to prove that to >> you and I want you to prove that to yourself!" >> >> I also try to make Art class relevent to ALL...not just the class >> artists. About 1% of my students will go on to study art, >> therefore I need to make it relevent to the other 99% if they ARE >> going to be motivated. I link craftsmanship to hard work, pride, >> patience....Things that if they practice now, will bring them >> success later on. >> >> Good luck!

Dec 29, 2013

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