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Extended Day Programs

by overwhelmed

Oct 20, 2012

I recently accepted an extended day position at a private school and I am really concerned about how the program is run. I am trying to gather as much information as possible on how similar programs are run. There are two of us, making the same hourly wage. We were able to get a third person on board to help us out on days with high enrollment and when one of us will be out for the day. She is also making the same hourly wage. This program has a drop in option for kids that are not on a regular schedule which means we don't always know how many kids we will have.

When I was hired I knew what the hourly pay was, but I thought the job consisted of helping with homework, planning activities for the children, providing a safe environment, and communicating with parents. I was under the impression that the school principal was the point person for anything related to policy and the person we would contact in emergencies arise.

What I discovered is that the principal wants ...See MoreI recently accepted an extended day position at a private school and I am really concerned about how the program is run. I am trying to gather as much information as possible on how similar programs are run. There are two of us, making the same hourly wage. We were able to get a third person on board to help us out on days with high enrollment and when one of us will be out for the day. She is also making the same hourly wage. This program has a drop in option for kids that are not on a regular schedule which means we don't always know how many kids we will have.

When I was hired I knew what the hourly pay was, but I thought the job consisted of helping with homework, planning activities for the children, providing a safe environment, and communicating with parents. I was under the impression that the school principal was the point person for anything related to policy and the person we would contact in emergencies arise.

What I discovered is that the principal wants nothing to do with the program. The school secretary (who is the one who did the "research" and determined what the going rate is for our position) get's defensive whenever we ask her questions about how the program was run in the past for the sake of consistency. She says there has never been a set policy because nobody ever stayed in the position for more than a year (Hmm, I wonder why that is). She told me she wants nothing to do with it, yet when it is time for her to go home at the end of the day, any kid that was not yet picked up gets sent to us even if they are not enrolled in the program.

We are responsible for all billing, curriculum building, and pretty much all policy. I generated an email to parents to remind them that their child must be enrolled in order to join us for extended day. Before sending it out to the parents I wanted to run it by the principal and the secretary since they are the ones parents will call with questions (we are not on the clock until 2:30pm). The principal sent a snippy email within minutes saying "You handle this" and the secretary got defensive saying she has enough work to do.

When I was hired the headmaster made it clear that I will only be paid for the hours outlined in the contract. Yet the emails come in all day long and there is no way we can get any planning or paper work done while the kids are present. We were told that since Friday's are our slow days that is when the billing and planning should be getting done. Even on slow days we have at least 4 kids under 5 years old and 7 or more kids in K-5.

On our busiest days we have 7 children who are 3 or 4 years old and about 15 in grades K-5.

I have ideas about how this program can be successful but all of them require having one point person in a salaried position who sets policy and is on call for emergencies. At least one teacher developing the curriculum and the structure for how the afternoon is run and works with all of the students and generates the attendance list for the day. And at least 2 assistants, one for early childhood and one for elementary age kids.

It seems that the two of us are expected to do all three rolls but only get paid for the hours the kids are present. I found job postings for SCOPE positions in neighboring schools and they advertise the teaching assistant salary as being only $1 less per hour than what we are making.

I am considering resigning (I kind of walked into this position because I wanted to help out so I have no real investment in staying). However, I before I do I want to present information to the principal about how similar programs are run and why they are having trouble retaining a staff to run this program successfully.

Any information or resources you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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overwhelmed For sake of clarity my specific questions are: 1) What is reasonable pay for an extended day Teacher? 2) Is that a salaried or hourly rate? 3) Do you get paid for time outside of the extended day hours for planning and contacting parents? 4) Who do you contact if emergencies arise? 5) Do you have a school administrator who acts as a point person fo...See MoreFor sake of clarity my specific questions are: 1) What is reasonable pay for an extended day Teacher? 2) Is that a salaried or hourly rate? 3) Do you get paid for time outside of the extended day hours for planning and contacting parents? 4) Who do you contact if emergencies arise? 5) Do you have a school administrator who acts as a point person for policy decisions? If not, is there a supervisor that does so and what is his/her salary? 6) what is the age range for the students in your care? 7) If it is multi-age, do you separate the groups into early childhood and school age? 8) How many people are on staff while the students are present? 9) Who does the billing for the program?

Thanks. I know this is a lot of information, but I really appreciate it. I feel like we are not only being taken advantage of, but also being set up for failure. And even though the parents and the children are enjoying the program every day I have a stomach ache because of the anxiety I feel thinking that if something goes wrong no on has our back, and we will be held liable.

On 10/20/12, overwhelmed wrote: > I recently accepted an extended day position at a private > school and I am really concerned about how the program is > run. I am trying to gather as much information as possible > on how similar programs are run. There are two of us, making > the same hourly wage. We were able to get a third person on > board to help us out on days with high enrollment and when > one of us will be out for the day. She is also making the > same hourly wage. This program has a drop in option for kids > that are not on a regular schedule which means we don't > always know how many kids we will have. > > When I was hired I knew what the hourly pay was, but I > thought the job consisted of helping with homework, planning > activities for the children, providing a safe environment, > and communicating with parents. I was under the impression > that the school principal was the point person for anything > related to policy and the person we would contact in > emergencies arise. > > What I discovered is that the principal wants nothing to do > with the program. The school secretary (who is the one who > did the "research" and determined what the going rate is for > our position) get's defensive whenever we ask her questions > about how the program was run in the past for the sake of > consistency. She says there has never been a set policy > because nobody ever stayed in the position for more than a > year (Hmm, I wonder why that is). She told me she wants > nothing to do with it, yet when it is time for her to go > home at the end of the day, any kid that was not yet picked > up gets sent to us even if they are not enrolled in the program. > > We are responsible for all billing, curriculum building, and > pretty much all policy. I generated an email to parents to > remind them that their child must be enrolled in order to > join us for extended day. Before sending it out to the > parents I wanted to run it by the principal and the > secretary since they are the ones parents will call with > questions (we are not on the clock until 2:30pm). The > principal sent a snippy email within minutes saying "You > handle this" and the secretary got defensive saying she has > enough work to do. > > When I was hired the headmaster made it clear that I will > only be paid for the hours outlined in the contract. Yet > the emails come in all day long and there is no way we can > get any planning or paper work done while the kids are > present. We were told that since Friday's are our slow days > that is when the billing and planning should be getting > done. Even on slow days we have at least 4 kids under 5 > years old and 7 or more kids in K-5. > > On our busiest days we have 7 children who are 3 or 4 years > old and about 15 in grades K-5. > > I have ideas about how this program can be successful but > all of them require having one point person in a salaried > position who sets policy and is on call for emergencies. At > least one teacher developing the curriculum and the > structure for how the afternoon is run and works with all of > the students and generates the attendance list for the day. > And at least 2 assistants, one for early childhood and one > for elementary age kids. > > It seems that the two of us are expected to do all three > rolls but only get paid for the hours the kids are present. > I found job postings for SCOPE positions in neighboring > schools and they advertise the teaching assistant salary as > being only $1 less per hour than what we are making. > > I am considering resigning (I kind of walked into this > position because I wanted to help out so I have no real > investment in staying). However, I before I do I want to > present information to the principal about how similar > programs are run and why they are having trouble retaining a > staff to run this program successfully. > > Any information or resources you can give me will be greatly > appreciated. Thanks

Oct 20, 2012

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Tina/IL I teach in a private school and also work in our extended day program. Our after school program runs from 3:00-6:00. On any given day, we have 25-40 students. We have two adults working for the first hour. After the first hour, one adult leaves. We do not have to plan any educational activities. The first 45 minutes are spent in the gym doing physi...See MoreI teach in a private school and also work in our extended day program. Our after school program runs from 3:00-6:00. On any given day, we have 25-40 students. We have two adults working for the first hour. After the first hour, one adult leaves. We do not have to plan any educational activities. The first 45 minutes are spent in the gym doing physical activity. After that the students are offered a snack and drink. Students can then work on homework. When they are done with homework, they may play one of the various games we have in storage (cards, board games, etc)

1. The hourly rate of pay is $13. 3. I do the billing for the program and am paid the same rate for the hours I spend doing the paperwork. 4. If there is an emergency, we contact the parents. The principal is usually in the building as well, if not, we call her cell phone. 5. The principal sets the policies, and any billing questions are directed to me, or the administrative secretary who collects the payments in the office. 6. Age range of students is preschool through eighth grade. 7. We have separate play areas in the gym for younger and older students to keep the little ones safe. We also try to keep the little ones separate during homework time so the older ones can concentrate.

I think it is horrible that you are not receiving more support from administration. There should be clear policies and procedures, as well as set discipline and emergency procedures.

On 10/20/12, overwhelmed wrote: > For sake of clarity my specific questions are: > 1) What is reasonable pay for an extended day Teacher? > 2) Is that a salaried or hourly rate? > 3) Do you get paid for time outside of the extended day hours > for planning and contacting parents? > 4) Who do you contact if emergencies arise? > 5) Do you have a school administrator who acts as a point > person for policy decisions? If not, is there a supervisor > that does so and what is his/her salary? > 6) what is the age range for the students in your care? > 7) If it is multi-age, do you separate the groups into early > childhood and school age? > 8) How many people are on staff while the students are present? > 9) Who does the billing for the program? > > Thanks. I know this is a lot of information, but I really > appreciate it. I feel like we are not only being taken > advantage of, but also being set up for failure. And even > though the parents and the children are enjoying the program > every day I have a stomach ache because of the anxiety I feel > thinking that if something goes wrong no on has our back, and > we will be held liable. > > On 10/20/12, overwhelmed wrote: >> I recently accepted an extended day position at a private >> school and I am really concerned about how the program is >> run. I am trying to gather as much information as possible >> on how similar programs are run. There are two of us, making >> the same hourly wage. We were able to get a third person on >> board to help us out on days with high enrollment and when >> one of us will be out for the day. She is also making the >> same hourly wage. This program has a drop in option for kids >> that are not on a regular schedule which means we don't >> always know how many kids we will have. >> >> When I was hired I knew what the hourly pay was, but I >> thought the job consisted of helping with homework, planning >> activities for the children, providing a safe environment, >> and communicating with parents. I was under the impression >> that the school principal was the point person for anything >> related to policy and the person we would contact in >> emergencies arise. >> >> What I discovered is that the principal wants nothing to do >> with the program. The school secretary (who is the one who >> did the "research" and determined what the going rate is for >> our position) get's defensive whenever we ask her questions >> about how the program was run in the past for the sake of >> consistency. She says there has never been a set policy >> because nobody ever stayed in the position for more than a >> year (Hmm, I wonder why that is). She told me she wants >> nothing to do with it, yet when it is time for her to go >> home at the end of the day, any kid that was not yet picked >> up gets sent to us even if they are not enrolled in the program. >> >> We are responsible for all billing, curriculum building, and >> pretty much all policy. I generated an email to parents to >> remind them that their child must be enrolled in order to >> join us for extended day. Before sending it out to the >> parents I wanted to run it by the principal and the >> secretary since they are the ones parents will call with >> questions (we are not on the clock until 2:30pm). The >> principal sent a snippy email within minutes saying "You >> handle this" and the secretary got defensive saying she has >> enough work to do. >> >> When I was hired the headmaster made it clear that I will >> only be paid for the hours outlined in the contract. Yet >> the emails come in all day long and there is no way we can >> get any planning or paper work done while the kids are >> present. We were told that since Friday's are our slow days >> that is when the billing and planning should be getting >> done. Even on slow days we have at least 4 kids under 5 >> years old and 7 or more kids in K-5. >> >> On our busiest days we have 7 children who are 3 or 4 years >> old and about 15 in grades K-5. >> >> I have ideas about how this program can be successful but >> all of them require having one point person in a salaried >> position who sets policy and is on call for emergencies. At >> least one teacher developing the curriculum and the >> structure for how the afternoon is run and works with all of >> the students and generates the attendance list for the day. >> And at least 2 assistants, one for early childhood and one >> for elementary age kids. >> >> It seems that the two of us are expected to do all three >> rolls but only get paid for the hours the kids are present. >> I found job postings for SCOPE positions in neighboring >> schools and they advertise the teaching assistant salary as >> being only $1 less per hour than what we are making. >> >> I am considering resigning (I kind of walked into this >> position because I wanted to help out so I have no real >> investment in staying). However, I before I do I want to >> present information to the principal about how similar >> programs are run and why they are having trouble retaining a >> staff to run this program successfully. >> >> Any information or resources you can give me will be greatly >> appreciated. Thanks

Oct 20, 2012

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overwhelmed Thank you for your feed back. Your program seems similar to ours and it is good to hear that you get paid for work done outside of the program hours.

Do you have a drop in option for your program or are all of the children enrolled for specific days? If so are you notified ahead of time that those students are coming? We ask for 24 hour n...See MoreThank you for your feed back. Your program seems similar to ours and it is good to hear that you get paid for work done outside of the program hours.

Do you have a drop in option for your program or are all of the children enrolled for specific days? If so are you notified ahead of time that those students are coming? We ask for 24 hour notice for drop ins, but the secretary will bring anyone down who is not picked up on time so that she and the principal can go home.

I think I might start logging in the hours of work I do outside of the extended day hours. I would be concerned having only one adult with all of those students for 2 hours, especially with early childhood present. Are most of the children already picked up by then?

On 10/20/12, Tina/IL wrote: > I teach in a private school and also work in our extended day > program. Our after school program runs from 3:00-6:00. On any > given day, we have 25-40 students. We have two adults working > for the first hour. After the first hour, one adult leaves. We > do not have to plan any educational activities. The first 45 > minutes are spent in the gym doing physical activity. After > that the students are offered a snack and drink. Students can > then work on homework. When they are done with homework, they > may play one of the various games we have in storage (cards, > board games, etc) > > 1. The hourly rate of pay is $13. 3. I do the billing for the > program and am paid the same rate for the hours I spend doing > the paperwork. 4. If there is an emergency, we contact the > parents. The principal is usually in the building as well, if > not, we call her cell phone. 5. The principal sets the policies, > and any billing questions are directed to me, or the > administrative secretary who collects the payments in the office. > 6. Age range of students is preschool through eighth grade. 7. > We have separate play areas in the gym for younger and older > students to keep the little ones safe. We also try to keep the > little ones separate during homework time so the older ones can > concentrate. > > I think it is horrible that you are not receiving more support > from administration. There should be clear policies and > procedures, as well as set discipline and emergency procedures. > >

Oct 21, 2012

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Tina/IL Enrollment is open and varies from day to day. Parents are asked to fill out a calendar each month noting the days they expect their child to be with us. Many families use the program every day. Students who are not picked up by a certain time after school dismissal are brought to us. Most of those get picked up within 15 minutes of coming to us. P...See MoreEnrollment is open and varies from day to day. Parents are asked to fill out a calendar each month noting the days they expect their child to be with us. Many families use the program every day. Students who are not picked up by a certain time after school dismissal are brought to us. Most of those get picked up within 15 minutes of coming to us. Parents can also use it as a drop-in service without giving us prior notification.

Usually by the time the first adult leaves, ther are only two or three early childhood students left. I would not feel comfortable being left with those students either. I just work that first hour.

On 10/21/12, overwhelmed wrote: > Thank you for your feed back. Your program seems similar to ours and > it is good to hear that you get paid for work done outside of the > program hours. > > Do you have a drop in option for your program or are all of the > children enrolled for specific days? If so are you notified ahead of > time that those students are coming? We ask for 24 hour notice for > drop ins, but the secretary will bring anyone down who is not picked > up on time so that she and the principal can go home. > > I think I might start logging in the hours of work I do outside of > the extended day hours. I would be concerned having only one adult > with all of those students for 2 hours, especially with early > childhood present. Are most of the children already picked up by then? > > On 10/20/12, Tina/IL wrote: >> I teach in a private school and also work in our extended day >> program. Our after school program runs from 3:00-6:00. On any >> given day, we have 25-40 students. We have two adults working >> for the first hour. After the first hour, one adult leaves. We >> do not have to plan any educational activities. The first 45 >> minutes are spent in the gym doing physical activity. After >> that the students are offered a snack and drink. Students can >> then work on homework. When they are done with homework, they >> may play one of the various games we have in storage (cards, >> board games, etc) >> >> 1. The hourly rate of pay is $13. 3. I do the billing for the >> program and am paid the same rate for the hours I spend doing >> the paperwork. 4. If there is an emergency, we contact the >> parents. The principal is usually in the building as well, if >> not, we call her cell phone. 5. The principal sets the policies, >> and any billing questions are directed to me, or the >> administrative secretary who collects the payments in the office. >> 6. Age range of students is preschool through eighth grade. 7. >> We have separate play areas in the gym for younger and older >> students to keep the little ones safe. We also try to keep the >> little ones separate during homework time so the older ones can >> concentrate. >> >> I think it is horrible that you are not receiving more support >> from administration. There should be clear policies and >> procedures, as well as set discipline and emergency procedures. >> >>

Oct 23, 2012

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