If they're chatty and lazy, grade them accordingly. Do-nothing kids deserve F's, gifted or not. And in a gifted class, only the most stellar work deserves an A.
Bribe, beg and wheedle intelligent kids to do the work they're supposed to be doing anyway, and they're just going to laugh at you for being a chump. The most valuable lesson you can teach them is that lazy people fail.
On 1/29/13, ph wrote: > I recently started using a token economy (fake money) > system with a group of fifth graders in one of my gifted > classes. I have decided that I don't really think it's > worth the trouble; however, some students are really into > this. I've only been using it for about 5 weeks, but I want > to end it. I need ideas for what to use in its place - > these students are quite chatty and also lazy about getting > homework done.
Warning.... this is a vent!!!! I have been teaching school for 15 years, and this has been the worst year of my teaching career! I switched to a new system due to budget cuts. Little did I know, I was given the grand ole' cart for a classroom. Yep, I am a floater. As we all know, classroom management is so much more than discipline. It is about pro...See MoreWarning.... this is a vent!!!! I have been teaching school for 15 years, and this has been the worst year of my teaching career! I switched to a new system due to budget cuts. Little did I know, I was given the grand ole' cart for a classroom. Yep, I am a floater. As we all know, classroom management is so much more than discipline. It is about procedures as well. As a floater, one can not have procedures!!!!!! I switch classes 6 times per day and generally walk in the class with my students. As a result of this, no bell ringers are on the board and I need at least 10 min. to pull up ppt. etc. It is so hard to have good classroom management skills when there is nowhere for students to turn in their papers, find supplies etc....Likewise, with all the "students need to be in groups" student behavior is awful!!!! In addition, I do not have space that I can call my own. Teaching was my life. Now, I hate every minute of my job. I am depressed and really feel I need medication just to cope. The really bad part....... I will not be getting a room for at least 2-3 more years. Any advice?
Carla LOn 2/12/13, Jack wrote: > Hi Cry Everyday, > > That's a tough situation, but I think a little planning can go > a long way. Try having an activity ready to go right when you > arrive that you can have them do while you get the powerpoint > set up. My coworker uses "quick writes", 5-10 minute writing > responses, usually to revi...See MoreOn 2/12/13, Jack wrote: > Hi Cry Everyday, > > That's a tough situation, but I think a little planning can go > a long way. Try having an activity ready to go right when you > arrive that you can have them do while you get the powerpoint > set up. My coworker uses "quick writes", 5-10 minute writing > responses, usually to review something they've recently > learned or to get them to say what they think they know about > that day's topic. Have that be your routine, so the students > know what you expect them to do from the minute they walk in > the door - with you :). > > Is there a way to integrate their methods for turning work in > to your cart? Maybe you can find some organizers that would > hang off of the cart or that open up away from the cart. You > can work finding supplies on your cart into your routine - > although I can see that changing depending on what grade > level you teach. > > Hope this helps! > Hi Cry- Yikes! Sure sounds like you are in a difficult situation, I am so sorry to hear that. Venting sometimes is the first step to at least feeling a little better at the moment, I know it helps me. I like Jack's idea of having a task the students can do independently for the first 10-15 minutes of class. It might take one long evening after school (because I am sure that you do not have much time during the day with 6 classes), but maybe put together a good months worth of activities that they can do independently and something they expect each day so they are familiar with it and can do it on their own. I have people do current events with a form that they have to write up a few facts, chores around the classroom, a book club with questions, etc. Good luck and I sure hope things get better for you! Carla
> Best, > > Jack > > > On 2/04/13, Cry everyday wrote: >> Warning.... this is a vent!!!! >> I have been teaching school for 15 years, and this has been >> the worst year of my teaching career! I switched to a new >> system due to budget cuts. Little did I know, I was given >> the grand ole' cart for a classroom. Yep, I am a floater. >> As we all know, classroom management is so much more than >> discipline. It is about procedures as well. As a floater, >> one can not have procedures!!!!!! >> I switch classes 6 times per day and generally walk in the >> class with my students. As a result of this, no bell >> ringers are on the board and I need at least 10 min. to >> pull up ppt. etc. It is so hard to have good classroom >> management skills when there is nowhere for students to >> turn in their papers, find supplies etc....Likewise, with >> all the "students need to be in groups" student behavior is >> awful!!!! In addition, I do not have space that I can call >> my own. Teaching was my life. Now, I hate every minute of >> my job. I am depressed and really feel I need medication >> just to cope. >> The really bad part....... I will not be getting a room for >> at least 2-3 more years. Any advice?
Also, is there any way you can talk to the teachers to get a feel for what they've been doing so you can try to stay in step with how the students are used to the classroom being managed?
I know this is more questions than answers... but I think it's possible to reframe things a bit to take better advantage of the non-routine.
"I am sometimes sent to observe new high-school teachers and am usually shocked by what I see. Those teachers -- bright, idealistic, hopeful -- are sometimes treated with such open rudeness that it seems as if they have become objects of ritual abuse -- scapegoats for undisciplined adolescent rage. It doesn't surprise me that attrition rates for teachers are so high: teaching requires a kind of moral strength that few possess without many years of training.
For all my grumbling, I lead a charmed life compared to the average high-school teacher. And I feel deeply sorry that some of our graduates are sent into what is little better than what I would expect to see in a prison: students who mumble lewd, racist, and homophobic remarks about the teacher and other students; who furtively destroy school property; and who engage in petty acts of violence and intimidation just outside of the teacher's field of vision. Perhaps teachers pretend not to see most of what happens because they have come to believe there is nothing they can do about it -- and students play at forcing their reactions, stepping repeatedly to the edge of open defiance.
What is it like for students to spend a dozen years in such places? What does it do to children's sense of curiosity to learn that any expression of shared interest with a teacher will subject them to verbal and physical abuse?
Like prisoners, they learn that the safest thing to do is keep your head down and not attract attention. Currying favor with teachers will only get you into trouble: the adults will not protect you; they will pretend not to see when someone hits you; they will pretend not to hear when someone calls you an obscene name. They will not be there after school when the other kids come after you. Better to cultivate the support of your peers by signifying your contempt for the institution in which you are all trapped."
In terms of consequences, I'd say the best thing would be to be consistent with them. Many teachers in my school use simple systems that don't interrupt instruction to keep track of behavior - a name on the board, then a check, then a time out in the hall with a conversation to follow. Others point to a child and raise the number of warnings the child has received with their fingers. Of course, at some point a student needs discipline, but making sure they know what to expect is a great way to teach them to manage their own behavior, which is, of course, our ultimate goal.
On 2/06/13, ali8423 wrote: > What are the best rewards and consequences for students in > the 1st grade?
Hello all- I am in need of some advice.....I teach in a very small program for students who are 18-21 years old with various disabilities. We only have about 17 students in the entire school. We have about 3 structured lessons per day, and the rest of the day is filled with community outings, classes at the tech. college, driver's education, job sh...See MoreHello all- I am in need of some advice.....I teach in a very small program for students who are 18-21 years old with various disabilities. We only have about 17 students in the entire school. We have about 3 structured lessons per day, and the rest of the day is filled with community outings, classes at the tech. college, driver's education, job shadows, jobs, etc.....The school is run very "family" like, which is wonderful in one way because the students are SO comfortable with who they are when they are in our school, however.....they are also SO comfortable that they do not always remember that they are still in a school and when it is time for the structured lesson, it is not really a choice and they are still expected to be on time. They are aware of the lesson times as they are the same every day and posted on a daily schedule. It has become habit for the students to wait until I tell them it is time to come to the lesson, where they all look at me and continue doing their own thing, until I tell them again....and again.....and they start to trickle over. I have tried several techniques, such as positive praise for the students who do come right away.......PLEASE, I am looking for suggestions to help them follow the schedule without having to ask them several times. I do not want to loose the comfort level they feel with us, but I also need them to understand there are expectations and they need to be followed. Thanks for the advise!
BEMIEOn 2/14/13, Fiorella Velarde, Boca Raton, Fl wrote: > > Hi Carla: > > I was just writing about a related topic on my blog. I read in a > wonderful book, which I recommend to all of you, Setting > expectations for Children's Behavior, that whenever you prompt > children to do something, it will be beneficial to give them two >...See MoreOn 2/14/13, Fiorella Velarde, Boca Raton, Fl wrote: > > Hi Carla: > > I was just writing about a related topic on my blog. I read in a > wonderful book, which I recommend to all of you, Setting > expectations for Children's Behavior, that whenever you prompt > children to do something, it will be beneficial to give them two > choices. You get to pick the choices so at the end it doesn't > matter what they do first because you will get them to do what > you want out of your two choices. I practiced this with my own > daughter and I can tell you that she feels more in control but > complies at the same time. > > My other suggestion is to get used to say things more than once. > Let's picture for instance when many time we as adults are > submerged in a given activity and we have to be told several > times to let go. It could be an engaging lecture, the middle of > an idea, o simply abandoning the TV to sit at the table for > dinner. I guess that I am trying to say that we all need our > time for transitions but traditional discipline has somehow make > us believe that children should ( and must) respond at first > time. > > Just a thought... > > Fiorella > > > On 2/14/13, Jack wrote: >> Hi Carla, >> >> I don't think that having expectations for your students will >> change their comfort level in your class - at least, it >> shouldn't! You might try having a discussion with your >> students about the importance of being on time and work with >> them to craft a system that they agree to. While there are >> lots of ways to positively reinforce being on time, students >> will also work to avoid being inconvenienced. Maybe with them >> you can agree on an inconvenience like extra homework, or >> making up the cumulative time they have missed or cost you at >> the end of the week (a study hall, some sort of duty, an >> extra assignment). You might also try the vocational approach >> - I assume part of your job is to prepare these kids to hold >> down a job at some point, you might have a discussion about >> professionalism and outline being on time as a way to >> practice it. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Best, >> >> Jack >> >> >> On 2/13/13, Carla L. wrote: >>> Hello all- I am in need of some advice.....I teach in a >>> very small program for students who are 18-21 years old >>> with various disabilities. We only have about 17 students >>> in the entire school. We have about 3 structured lessons >>> per day, and the rest of the day is filled with community >>> outings, classes at the tech. college, driver's education, >>> job shadows, jobs, etc.....The school is run very "family" >>> like, which is wonderful in one way because the students >>> are SO comfortable with who they are when they are in our >>> school, however.....they are also SO comfortable that they >>> do not always remember that they are still in a school and >>> when it is time for the structured lesson, it is not really >>> a choice and they are still expected to be on time. They >>> are aware of the lesson times as they are the same every >>> day and posted on a daily schedule. It has become habit for >>> the students to wait until I tell them it is time to come >>> to the lesson, where they all look at me and continue doing >>> their own thing, until I tell them again....and >>> again.....and they start to trickle over. I have tried >>> several techniques, such as positive praise for the >>> students who do come right away.......PLEASE, I am looking >>> for suggestions to help them follow the schedule without >>> having to ask them several times. I do not want to loose >>> the comfort level they feel with us, but I also need them >>> to understand there are expectations and they need to be >>> followed. Thanks for the advise! >>> >>> Carla L
Hi Carla,
First let me commend you on the work you've done to help students feel so comfortable! That in and of itself is an accomplishment. Now of course you want to move them back toward center so that they are operating in a balanced manner. May I suggest some non-verbal prompts? For example, when you attend a theater performance and the intermission is almost over, theater staff will sound a series of chimes and them dim lights slightly. This is usually sufficient to get patrons disengaged from their conversations in the foyer and back to their seats in the auditorium. For those who do not notice the chimes or see the lights, they will certainly see other patrons moving back toward the auditorium and they'll follow suit. Perhaps something similar may be used in your classroom after an explanation of the new protocol. Perhaps you could play a certain short piece of music, sound a tiny gong, or even stand at the head of the class with your hand raised. Students who see you will have been directed that the raised hand is a signal that their attention is needed and that they should raise their hand. One by one as students notice, they will stop talking and will raise their hands which will in turn help other students do so. In a few short moments the entire class will have quieted down and you will not have had to say a word. What do you think?
Hi All, I would love to hear your thoughts on motivating busy adults to take part in company-offered training and/or returning to school to further education and enhance skills. The company I work for has only 3% of the employee population participating in tuition reimbursement.
Also, nobody likes fluff courses. Make sure all the courses you offer lead to university credit, and can be used toward some kind of advanced degree.
On 2/14/13, Toni wrote: > Hi All, > I would love to hear your thoughts on motivating busy > adults to take part in company-offered training and/or > returning to school to further education and enhance > skills. The company I work for has only 3% of the employee > population participating in tuition reimbursement. > > What are your thoughts? > Thanks! > Toni
You need to either require or incentivize company-offered training. Do you have any data that shows company-offered training results in greater productivity? Does it result in advancement? If you have data for that, show them the data - that would be an incentive.
As to off site college based courses, many evening and weekend classes are taught by adjuncts - part-timers - and there's no clear philsophy of instruction reflective of the institution's policies or practices. In other words, it's anybody's guess as to what your employees will meet up in evening classes or weekend classes. And as employees, they're not used to being treated like 18 year olds - they're not used to the "I'm the King of the Classroom" role that sheltered teachers can play. Increasingly too colleges are resistant to making any allowances for the full-time employee in their classes vs. the full-time traditional student. Deadlines are deadlines etc. even though someone working full-time is trying to meet work deadlines along with the deadlines of the classes they're taking.
Does your company have any real relationship with an area institution? Can you build a 'college within a college' that would perhaps treat your employees with certain respect and regard and work with them on assignments and deadlines rather than draw lines in the sand and turn a deaf ear to the needs of those who are working full time and going to school part- time?
What about online classes? After working all day, who has the energy to sit in a class with someone droning on and on?
Does anyone have any “fauxipation” that they have picked up on that can help me better determine if my students are engaged or if they are just faking it?
Sarah- Wow!! Interesting post! I guess I am not surprised that students do this, but it didn't really dawn on me that they are doing it either. It seems like it is just as much work to come up with techniques to fake participation as it is to actually participate. I will have to watch my students more closely to see if this is happening in my classroom as well. I have noticed that when my students are required to participate in something, such as ask at least one question to the guest speaker, the one's that I feel like should be the most interested in the speaker or most engaged, go to our "stock pile" questions and ask something like "do you have any family?" or "what was your first job".....which are a few of our "go-to" questions if they cannot think of something......when that is the student that I might expect to be far more engaged and ask a more specific question about what the speaker is actually talking about. But....other than that, I didn't really realize students did that....time to watch them a little more carefully! Oh- one thing I have noticed.....a lot of my students, no matter their cognitive level, have learned that if they go to the bathroom they can get out of a lesson because a teacher is not going to invade their privacy- but I don't think that is a new strategy. But it drives me CRAZY~ Good luck and I hope I see more posts on this one so I know what to look out for in my own classroom too!
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Great post! Balance is key, I agree. Too much attention paid to unwanted classroom behavior undermines the students in the classroom who try hard to stay on task. I'm also interested in classroom management and its relationship to diverse teaching styles. I think it's intriguing to see how much differently a classroom of students behaves when they see and interact with different teachers. In my opinion, a growing number of teachers are adopting teaching styles that are much too lax and casual. In fact, schools in general have become much too casual and its affecting the way students interact with teachers. Roles played by students and teachers in the classroom are becoming less and less defined and clearly understood. I've had students from other classes talking to me as though I was another student, which has to be corrected. I go into some teachers' classrooms and teachers are talking to students casually, using the most popular loose terms of the day, like, "Yeah whatever and what up dude, etc." To me, this is not the type of relationship that we want to have with students, because it invites problems in the classroom. One minute, you're the teacher who wants to talk to a kid like he's your peer. The next minute, you want to get all serious, like a teacher, with the student when it's time to do math. This inconsistent behavior and teaching representation sends mix signals to students. More teachers, I believe, should seriously question what type of relationship do they want to have with their students and what type of relationship is best for learning (in the long run). As teachers, we must remember that we are NOT competing in a popularity contest to see which teacher can get the most kids to like us. Be a teacher, consistently, and stop trying be these kids best friends is my advice. Then, maybe we wouldn't see as many classroom management issues, bullying, and a loss of precious academic time wasted on constantly arguing with and disciplining students.
AkomaTeachGreat advice, but if you're in the middle of a lesson, opening up a line of questions to find out what a student desires is just not ideal. There are other students in the class who need your attention and they are waiting for you to finish instruction. Once you give one distraction too much attention, here come the other students thinking they can...See MoreGreat advice, but if you're in the middle of a lesson, opening up a line of questions to find out what a student desires is just not ideal. There are other students in the class who need your attention and they are waiting for you to finish instruction. Once you give one distraction too much attention, here come the other students thinking they can get away with doing the same thing. I give less than a minute of my instruction time to tattling, fighting over pencils, etc. then I tell students what's going to happen if it doesn't stop immediately (E.g., lose recess minutes, flip your behavior card, get a tally, or change your color to yellow or red). I'm not there to appease children and cater to their every whelm. We are educators and the students are at the school to get an education, meet or exceed the teacher's and their parent's expectations of them, and contribute academically to their own lives and the school as a whole. Too many teachers tolerate nonsense by coddling students. I'm not asking kids a bunch of questions when I should be teaching. Who has time for that?
If they're chatty and lazy, grade them accordingly. Do-nothing kids deserve F's, gifted or not. And in a gifted class, only the most stellar work deserves an A.
Bribe, beg and wheedle intelligent kids to do ...See More