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After teaching in a culturally diverse classroom I decided that some things will just come across as rude (when it is not intended). However, frequently I find high school students and now adult learners (for profit and other) to be quite rude intentionally. It seems like it generally comes from the students who are on the lower end of the spectum of not taking responsibility for their own learning.
For example, I had an adult student make an age related slur directed about me to fellow students. This was done after he became dissatified with his grade. He even stomped out of the classroom at one point. He had been generally positive with his communication to me. Now he is generally positive in his communication.
Another example, was an adult student ranting about how she can not understand anything I am saying. She uses her laptop computer during class regularly (surfing and such). I suggested that she might try turning off her computer and sitting in the front of the classroom. Ask questions if you do not understand, I continued.
Generally the majority of the comments I'm getting on my teaching if very positive.
Is seems that there is a large portion of our student population that likes to get in your face.
Do you ignore rude offensive behavior or what?
I show kindness. I give them respect. I grade their papers on time.
Why am I getting this rude and/or offensive behavior from a few of my students?
Well if it was all of them that would be one thing but your post suggests it's only a few and the few who get angry.
Students especially adults who struggle to learn get frustrated. It's a fact - not everyone is bright nor is everyone well-equipped to do well in school. As teachers, we like to pretend that everyone can do well but it's just not so.
Then we also like to say well, it's their fault etc. etc but why would we expect them to be happy about their failure? Particularly given what an outspoken society we've become? Anger seems to abound and can come out of nowhere. People who have a history of failure either become depressed and withdrawn or angry and rude.
Your students didn't become depressed and withdrawn though they still might. Instead they have enough energy left to become angry and rude when very disappointed.
Are you teaching CC? President Clinton did no one a favor when he suggested that everyone should go to college because the power that is simply did not make everyone equipped to do well in the tasks of school.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan is some old saying. If you're going to teach, you're going to have some students who will get angry and few Americans these days hold their tonges in genteel fashion - usually they let fly with a few choice words. > And yes it's likely to come from the students who got Cs and Ds - what do we expect? That's only logical.
I find teaching CC these days means I have to tolerate excessive absenteeism and then I have to tolerate excessive excuses about it. It's tiresome. Likely neither you nor I are spring chickens anymore and likely that's why you find the occasional rudeness so disturbing and why I find the excuses so tiresome.
If we're going to keep teaching, you're going to have to tolerate the occasional rude remark (look wounded and say "I am that old but I still have feelings and I'm sorry that grade has given you angry feelings) and I'm going to have to tolerate "I had a family funeral - in Las Vegas - that lasted a week that just happened to coincide with my childrens' spring break. Sorry I couldn't come to class last week." >> > Another example, was an adult student ranting about how she > can not understand anything I am saying. She uses her > laptop computer during class regularly (surfing and such). > I suggested that she might try turning off her computer and > sitting in the front of the classroom. Ask questions if you > do not understand, I continued. > > Generally the majority of the comments I'm getting on my > teaching if very positive. > > Is seems that there is a large portion of our student > population that likes to get in your face. > > Do you ignore rude offensive behavior or what? > > I show kindness. I give them respect. I grade their > papers on time. > > Why am I getting this rude and/or offensive behavior from a > few of my students? > > Is this normal?
Prof. Howard SeemanOn 10/11/10, help...how to handle wrote: > How do you handle the general rude behavior of students? > > After teaching in a culturally diverse classroom I decided > that some things will just come across as rude (when it is > not intended). However, frequently I find high school > students and now adult learners (for profit and ot...See MoreOn 10/11/10, help...how to handle wrote: > How do you handle the general rude behavior of students? > > After teaching in a culturally diverse classroom I decided > that some things will just come across as rude (when it is > not intended). However, frequently I find high school > students and now adult learners (for profit and other) to > be quite rude intentionally. It seems like it generally > comes from the students who are on the lower end of the > spectum of not taking responsibility for their own > learning. > > For example, I had an adult student make an age related > slur directed about me to fellow students. This was done > after he became dissatified with his grade. He even > stomped out of the classroom at one point. He had been > generally positive with his communication to me. Now he is > generally positive in his communication. > > Another example, was an adult student ranting about how she > can not understand anything I am saying. She uses her > laptop computer during class regularly (surfing and such). > I suggested that she might try turning off her computer and > sitting in the front of the classroom. Ask questions if you > do not understand, I continued. > > Generally the majority of the comments I'm getting on my > teaching if very positive. > > Is seems that there is a large portion of our student > population that likes to get in your face. > > Do you ignore rude offensive behavior or what? > > I show kindness. I give them respect. I grade their > papers on time. > > Why am I getting this rude and/or offensive behavior from a > few of my students? > > Is this normal? YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE CAUSES.
I think that this can be helpful to you: The book and Training Video: PREVENTING Classroom Discipline Problems
If you can get this book and video: [they are in many libraries, so you don't have to buy them] email me and I can refer you to the sections of the book and video [that demonstrates the effective vs. the ineffective teacher] that can help you.
If your library does not have them, you can get them at:
[link removed]
that are also used at this online course: [link removed]
See: Reviews at: [link removed]
If you cannot get the book or video, email me anyway, and I will try to help.
Best regards,
Howard
Howard Seeman, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, City Univ. of New York
Is anyone using nero linguical programming with their students? It seems that with all the lack of personnal responsibility students exhibit that it might be time to use NLP in the classroom.
On 10/28/10, AM wrote: > As a parent I would be very upset to find out a teacher was > using such methods with children and I would want to know your > credentials. > > On 10/11/10, NLP does it work wrote: >> Is anyone using nero linguical programming with their >> students? It seems that with all the lack of personnal >> responsibility students exhibit that it might be time to >> use NLP in the classroom.
I use NLP every day with only benefit to all concerned. NLP is an understanding, not an action. Only action can be harmful. It is a tool that is powerful, and yes, harmful if used in a dark way. See the article I wrote for this website below.
LeahHi JT, You have been given some excellent advice.
There are three articles that you may find helpful: Elementary Classroom Rules and Management, Rewards in the Classroom, and 25 Ways to Obtain Children's Attention in a School Setting.
Just click below and on the article of your choice.
Do they have to wait too long for lunch? 2nd graders should have breakfast before class, a snack at 10am, and lunch no later than 12:30. Maybe the kids are really, really hungry?
Try speaking to them at eye level. Rehearse beforehand, the way they do in the army. I bet the kids don't want to have to rehearse walking up and down the hall all morning.
Here's what my teacher did with us:
1. She had a box of cookies and told us we'd get to have them later. 2. We were "bad" in music class. 3. The teacher looked at us and said, calmly, "the cookies will go to the other class, because you didn't behave." 4. She told us "you will now line up and march back to class the way I tell you. If your behavior is this bad tomorrow, we'll have more of the same.
Remember, kids this age need to be rewarded differently than high-schoolers.
You make some good points above. However, I also think that this can be helpful to you: The book and Training Video: PREVENTING Classroom Discipline Problems
If you can get this book and video: [they are in many libraries, so you don't have to buy them] email me and I can refer you to the sections of the book and video [that demonstrates the effective vs. the ineffective teacher] that can help you.
If your library does not have them, you can get them at:
[link removed]
that are also used at this online course: [link removed]
See: Reviews at: [link removed]
If you cannot get the book or video, email me anyway, and I will try to help.
Best regards,
Howard
Howard Seeman, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, City Univ. of New York
I teach Spanish at a public high school. There seems to be one or two students who come in during the passing period to ask to use the restroom or to get something from their locker. Inside of me I don't want to let them go and that they shouldn't be coming to me to ask if they "can" go. They should be managing their time. Also, I don't like to let students go to the restroom, etc., during the first part or the last part of class. How do you handle these students?
Here's my second, and most important concern: I don't think I've very clear with my students when I answer their request to not be marked tardy for going to the bathroom or go to their locker. When they pop the question, I might tell them, "No, wait 10 or more minutes before asking me." Sometimes, I give in because I feel like it's really legitime. I know there are teachers that forget to let kids go to the bathroom because things get busy in class or because they are strict about not using class time for these types of things and so the student has been waiting to go to the restroom for a couple of periods. And other times, and I think this is where I'm particularly not clear or consistent, or what have you, I will reply back with, "What time is it now?", wait for the student to respond. Then ask them, "What time does class start?", or tell them how many minutes are left until the tardy bell rings. Then I ask them if they think they can take care of what they need to take care of in that amount of time. I teach mostly 9th grades with some 10th graders. Inside I personally don't like students coming up to me and making this type of request before the tardy bell because they are putting their responsibility for time management on me. I think high schoolers should take care of their time and not put pressure on the teacher. How can I be more clearer about how I feel with my students or do you think I'm getting my point across, I'm being fair as well as consistent with my students with what I am currently doing? Should I be approaching this in a different manner since maybe I am expecting a higher maturity and thinking level from this age group and they just aren't getting it?
I have also had this problem continuously over the years. Like you, I mostly teach 9th graders. I don't let students use the restroom at the beginning of the period and tell them it inteferes with my taking attendance. They accept that. Two years ago, I found myself constantly interrupted during lessons by students needing the restroom. I'd have to stop what I was doing and write them a pass. Now I leave a generic pass in front of the room. Anyone needing the restroom can simply get up, take the pass, and go. This eliminated my interruptions. My students this year are very well-behaved and do not take advantage of this.
By the way, I'd be careful about letting students leave the room during a test. Last year one student took the pass and instead of going to the restroom, went to his locker where he was caught consulting his textbook for answers!
On 10/23/10, Daniel Hanson wrote: > (I feel silly for posting this thread, but I think it's > something I need to improve on.) > > I teach Spanish at a public high school. There seems to be > one or two students who come in during the passing period > to ask to use the restroom or to get something from their > locker. Inside of me I don't want to let them go and that > they shouldn't be coming to me to ask if they "can" go. > They should be managing their time. Also, I don't like to > let students go to the restroom, etc., during the first > part or the last part of class. How do you handle these > students? > > Here's my second, and most important concern: I don't think > I've very clear with my students when I answer their > request to not be marked tardy for going to the bathroom or > go to their locker. When they pop the question, I might > tell them, "No, wait 10 or more minutes before asking me." > Sometimes, I give in because I feel like it's really > legitime. I know there are teachers that forget to let kids > go to the bathroom because things get busy in class or > because they are strict about not using class time for > these types of things and so the student has been waiting > to go to the restroom for a couple of periods. And other > times, and I think this is where I'm particularly not clear > or consistent, or what have you, I will reply back > with, "What time is it now?", wait for the student to > respond. Then ask them, "What time does class start?", or > tell them how many minutes are left until the tardy bell > rings. Then I ask them if they think they can take care of > what they need to take care of in that amount of time. I > teach mostly 9th grades with some 10th graders. Inside I > personally don't like students coming up to me and making > this type of request before the tardy bell because they are > putting their responsibility for time management on me. I > think high schoolers should take care of their time and not > put pressure on the teacher. How can I be more clearer > about how I feel with my students or do you think I'm > getting my point across, I'm being fair as well as > consistent with my students with what I am currently doing? > Should I be approaching this in a different manner since > maybe I am expecting a higher maturity and thinking level > from this age group and they just aren't getting it? > > Thanks for your advice and for your time!
I have been teaching for 18 years. I am in an excellent high school right now and currently have no discipline issues. This is my sixth year in this school. However, it wasn't always like this.
Over the course of my career, I had experienced constant discipline problems in my classroom. Most of these schools were poor, low achieving schools. For me, teaching at the elementary level was a disaster. I was the one who could never have an orderly classroom or a smooth line of children going to lunch. It was humiliating. I would see young twenty-something teachers who just rolled out of college have a more peaceful classroom than I did. A few administrators and peer teachers who observed me would remark, "I don't know why you have these problems. You say and do the same things as a teacher with excellent classroom management but you don't get the same results."
What am I getting at here? There must be more to classroom management than meets the eye. When you have these problems, they give you the cookbook approach. "Be firm and set forth your rules and procedures at the very beginning...." "Be organized." "Communicate with parents..." etc. etc. etc. Alas, the recipe sometimes falls flat. That's when administrators take an extreme dislike to you and that is what I don't understand. Their first impulse is to put you on an improvement plan and get you out of there. There has to be a better way.
First of all, I read a lot and realized I lacked "withitness" or the ability to practice extreme vigilance and have eyes in the back of my head. Some of us would be great teachers but lack this extreme type of focusing.
Fortunately I later found myself in a school with high- performing students and dedicated parents. After being in the school for a few years I became a fixture and gained classroom control. Keep in mind that I didn't do much of anything different. I just had different types of students and the opportunity to stay in one school where the kids got used to me. With these students, I don't have to have my eyes constantly glued to them in case someone decides to set the garbage can on fire. When given a project, they will work on their own and get it done. No, I don't sit and read the newspaper while they work, but I can teach in a more relaxed way.
I know this is rambling but I wonder how many teachers out there are on improvement plans when all they need is a different environment or a chance to be in the school for a few years. Some teachers do better on the elementary level; others like me do better in high school. Why don't administrators take more time to evaluate this? Why do they express such dislike for us? Why aren't there support groups for teachers having difficulties so that they can feel they are not alone?
I think part of the problem with principals not understanding different teaching styles and different discipline styles is that principals don't get enough training in personnel management, and that principals are just people with a different degree and certification.
I came to teaching with a Bachelor of Business Administration, after an 8 year stint as an officer in the Army. I have worked in schools with real jerks as principals, and in schools where the principal was a teacher who got a masters in administration and switched roles. Most of the time, if the principal is a former teacher, they are much more rational at managing a bunch of teachers. They are also much more rational at enforcing student discipline. No absolutes, here, but most of the time.
I have tried a lot of supposedly foolproof discipline programs. Either I'm a bigger fool than they bargained on, or the plan was a poor fit for my personality. I spend, and have spent, time every summer and throughout the school year reflecting on how to refine and revise my classroom discipline. Sometimes, something works. Sometimes nothing works. A lot depends on the students I get that year.
This year, I'm working with two new things. One is the 'Clip Chart.' Kids start with 3 points for the day. They do something good, and they move their clothespin up, for more points. They mess up, they move their clothespin down. They can move back up if they make better choices, and will move down again for poor choices. I add the points they have at the end of the day to a sticker chart in their parent communication folder. When the child earns 50 points, or a multiple of 50 points, they get a trip to the prize box. Google 'Clip Chart Discipline Plan' for more information.
The second thing I'm using is some of the material I found at the 'Whole Brain Teaching' site. I'm going to a conference the site is sponsoring in Yucaipa, CA next weekend, and I'm really looking forward to learning more, and seeing the experts in action. I am still feeling my way with the material, but I can say that the 'Class-Yes' technique works with my 2nd grade kids, and the instant attention the students focus on me when I use it has dazzled some of the other teachers in our hallways.
All I can say is: Remember, principals are human, too, and just as fallible as the rest of us.
I think you are right. It is not always the teacher. I think the biggest thing that helps me in the classroom is that I can be entertaining and I have a passion for what I am teaching. When I am teaching something that I feel is stupid or boring, then I lose them...Being funny and slightly shocking at times works for me.
I never really thought about it before but being the oldest child also gave me an extra sense of responsibility and "withitness." I started babysitting at a young age (11) and that helps too. Anyone who was ever responsible for the lives of young kids knows that you really can't take your eyes off them. Even with this vigilance, accidents can happen. I do watch my classroom like a hawk. I still make things but if I see a kid look up at me, I pretty much know they did something they shouldn't have. So the kids get the "she has eyes in the back of her head" feeling. That helps also.
However, for all the pros, I know I still have a lot to work on. Being off-topic vs. teachable moments for me is still a struggle. I hate to cut kids off when they want to share something. Plus, I feel like I "dumb down" my curriculum too much. I guess everyone in my district has to but I feel like I am "selling out."
Often, we have different definitions of “Discipline”. As some kids are different today, we should understand that “the one with the biggest stick wins” does not always work. I lived close to a young man growing up and couldn’t help notice his advanced mechanical aptitude and other signs of intelligence. There was another boy who lived acr...See MoreOften, we have different definitions of “Discipline”. As some kids are different today, we should understand that “the one with the biggest stick wins” does not always work. I lived close to a young man growing up and couldn’t help notice his advanced mechanical aptitude and other signs of intelligence. There was another boy who lived across the street from him that I saw little of until he got to high school. The older boy was four years older than the other one and, shall we say, strange. He was bored in math, science and physics but would not even try at history or civics or other subjects like those. This was quite a few years ago and the concept of savant was not well known but I think he was close to one. The younger boy hung out at his place often and learned many skills such as electrical, mechanical, chemical from him. I lost track of the older one but learned later he was taken out of high school and sent to M.I.T. on a full Air Force scholarship. The younger boy was asked to retake his I.Q. test twice as the state didn’t believe the results but were finally shown the kid was a genius. This went well until, one day, the coach that was trying to teach the science class was angered that the kid knew the subject better than him and, even though he politely asked if something in the book was a misprint, it angered the coach who kept him after class and belted him into hysterics and left him on the floor in the room. The young fellow spent the rest of the year hiding in the back of classes and didn’t turn in any more work. No amount of talk undid the damage and he almost didn’t finish school. When the family got him into a good Engineering school, it was a waste as he feared the Profs. When are going to understand that geniuses like this are rare and not waste them?
On 11/20/10, op wrote: > On 11/20/10, Laurence wrote: >> What do you mean by "belting"? Do you mean corporal >> punishment? What kind of "talking" was done? Did the school >> administration step in? There are some holes in the story. >> > Yes, corporal punishment but to the extreme. When the room was > empty the coach called the young fellow up to his desk. He had > taken off his belt (the one that men wear on their pants) and hit > the victim as hard as he could. The kid started to screem at the > pain but he just kept it up. When he turned the young boy loose, > he dropped to the floor gasping for breath while the coach > stormed out leaving him there. It was the last period so no one > came in. > Understand now? The "holes" closed?
Use a reward system! We all do things for rewards. Later these rewards become intrinsic rewards, but not until maturity. We need to help kids by rewards until they become intrinsic. I have a whole chpt. on this, and over 50 reward- systems. Hard to show you on email here. But... You make some good points above. I think that this can be helpful to you: The book and Training Video: PREVENTING Classroom Discipline Problems
If you can get this book and video: [they are in many libraries, so you don't have to buy them] email me and I can refer you to the sections of the book and video [that demonstrates the effective vs. the ineffective teacher] that can help you.
If your library does not have them, you can get them at:
[link removed]
that are also used at this online course: [link removed]
See: Reviews at: [link removed]
If you cannot get the book or video, email me anyway, and I will try to help.
Best regards,
Howard
Howard Seeman, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, City Univ. of New York
Good question. I have a Google Alert on these type of questions. The Good Behavior Game is the single most evidence-based strategy for prevention of multiple mental, em...See More