I would like to discuss another issue that has been brewing in the back of my mind this past summer. Midway through the year, I started becoming lax about cell phone use in my class. I think it started with allowing one girl to listen to her iPod in class because she had shut down and planned on failing the entire course. So, another girl started sneaking her earphones in class. I gradually went down the rationalization slope until I didn’t mind students’ texting each other unless we were taking an exam or a quiz. I know that there are some teachers at my campus who have given up on the cell phone and iPod fight. I was at a school assembly and was warning students to put their cell phones away and a history teacher commented on why even bother with it; they are doing to do it anyway. Also, this last year, the administration told us in a faculty meeting or two that they cannot handle a huge cell phone caseload and told us to use are discretion and that they would support us in the classroom if the student is using their phone or iPod because it was interfering with the learning environment. However, for in the hallway, during lunch, etc., we were told by the administration to just warn students to put away their cell phones. The school policy for cell phones is: 1st time submitted to office— student picks up the phone at the end of the day with a warning from the dean, 2nd time—parent has to pick up the phone and the student is assigned a Saturday school, 3rd time—student is suspended from school. As you can see, I’m sure the administration doesn’t want to deal too much with suspending students, which I don’t blame them.
Anyway, I don’t know what my position is on this issue now. I can totally see texting as the modern form of passing notes in class. I can totally see using cell phones and iPod/MP3 players to listen to music while working quietly (which many teachers allow, some even during and after tests). I know for some students, they really mellow out because they are allowed to listen to music. Sometimes I play music in the background while students are working. I tend to assign a lot of written book work. Also, sometimes when I find students pulling out their phones, I really do feel like they are checking the time. Kids are so used to looking at digital clocks that they are not accustomed to non-digital clocks, which is what the school has in every classroom. Should I purchase a digital clock so students don’t have the excuse of looking at their cell phone for the time? (At this point of the game, I’m okay with spending the money to do that if it would reduce the numbers of students who try to secretly look at the time on their phones.) Also, instead of having to pull a big dictionary off of the bookshelf in the back of my room, they can very easily use a Translator or Dictionary app on their phone. I probably would do the same thing if given the option if I wanted to know how to say something in Spanish or I didn’t know a word I was reading in the textbook or something. (The vocabulary used in the reading sections of the ¡En Español! Textbook series are notorious for using words not listed in the back of the book glossary and students can’t understand everything in the reading and get frustrated.)
On the other hand, there is still a part of me that feels guilty for allowing students to use iPods or phones in class because they should just be focused on my class and nothing else during the entire 56 min. period. They should learn how to read non-digital clocks. They shouldn’t be texting each other, even if it’s the modern version of passing notes. And there have been some students who are immature or irresponsible with their phones, like playing with their cam or other apps in class. I don’t want students to rely on technology to do their work for them nor will students fully remember and use the vocabulary in spontaneous speech if they haven’t worked with the vocabulary and grammar themselves.
Another part of the issue is do I want to go through with the cell phone policy and send phones up to the office according to the school policy (which the secretaries and administration will begrudge) or do I keep the phones myself like one teacher does, which leaves the office out of the equation to enforce the cell phone policy. He holds the phone ‘til the end of class, then holds the phone until the end of the day. Then, for the rest of the school year, the offender has to place his/her phone in a basket as they enter class. That seems like a possible problem because if the phone gets broken or misplaced while in my position, I get held responsible. It’s a lot safer to just send it to the office with a campus monitor or to take it up their myself in between classes.
Anyway, that’s one of my dilemmas I don’t know how to tackle.
Thanks for listening and for any guidance you can give me!
I strive to make lessons interesting and sometimes humorous. I have been in other younger and /or "in shape" teacher's classrooms and feel that their lessons are not as interesting. In fact, sometimes they lecture all period which I was told NEVER to do. But they seem to have a much better control of their classrooms, especially the younger male teachers. It seems the male students are more "afraid" of the younger males and the females think they are attractive or look up to them like an older brother. I cannot help but think that it is human nature that the students will listen better and be more likely to follow directions. They also seem to get more out of the students than I do.
I am wondering if anyone can give me suggestions on how to deal with this? The main management problems I have are 1) students constantly trying to get out their phones to text when I am not looking, 2) talking when I am giving a lesson, 3) completely ignoring me when I am giving out instructions, 4) forcing me to talk loudly because they just will not quiet down, 5) not working unless I am standing right over them. Again...it is not my intent to offend anyone. Thank you in advance.
On 9/01/11, Maria wrote: > I want to preface this post by saying that I hope this does > not offend anyone. I am a female teacher in my late 40s who > is also obese. I am losing weight but it is difficult. I > never had classroom management issues until I turned 45 and > gained weight. I'd rather not state what subject I teach but > I will say it is a 9-12 grade environment with about 75% > male students and 25% female. > > I strive to make lessons interesting and sometimes humorous. > I have been in other younger and /or "in shape" teacher's > classrooms and feel that their lessons are not as > interesting. In fact, sometimes they lecture all period > which I was told NEVER to do. But they seem to have a much > better control of their classrooms, especially the younger > male teachers. It seems the male students are more "afraid" > of the younger males and the females think they are > attractive or look up to them like an older brother. I > cannot help but think that it is human nature that the > students will listen better and be more likely to follow > directions. They also seem to get more out of the students > than I do. > > I am wondering if anyone can give me suggestions on how to > deal with this? The main management problems I have are 1) > students constantly trying to get out their phones to text > when I am not looking, 2) talking when I am giving a lesson, > 3) completely ignoring me when I am giving out instructions, > 4) forcing me to talk loudly because they just will not > quiet down, 5) not working unless I am standing right over > them. Again...it is not my intent to offend anyone. Thank > you in advance. >
When she was absent, her kids routinely broke chairs, broke televisions and players, even a desk once, would wander the halls, beat each other regularly; and she was able to control them when she was present. The administration loved her, and she was constantly either out sick, "in a meeting" where she could not be found, and working on a higher level qualification.
So...I doubt her weight made any difference to the administration at that school one way or the other.
On 12/10/11, Homely Teacher wrote: > At the risk of playing internet psychologist, and hoping not to > offend you, from your posts in this thread it sounds like > you're not currently very happy with yourself. Is it possible > that the kids are responding more to a lack of self-confidence, > than to your actual physical appearance? It's true that being > physically attractive can be an advantage, but I have > definitely seen handsome but ineffectual people get walked on > by students. I think it's more about projecting an aura of > strength and decisiveness than about the way a person looks, > although the way a person looks can help or hinder their > ability to project that image. I'm not a classical beauty > myself, but I've found that if I ACT like I'm 100% awesome > (without getting too egotistical, haha), people tend to respond > well to that regardless of the reality. Psych yourself up. > Walk with confidence. Mind your posture. Speak out clearly > and declaratively, with a smile. > > Good luck :) > > On 9/01/11, Maria wrote: >> I want to preface this post by saying that I hope this does >> not offend anyone. I am a female teacher in my late 40s who >> is also obese. I am losing weight but it is difficult. I >> never had classroom management issues until I turned 45 and >> gained weight. I'd rather not state what subject I teach but >> I will say it is a 9-12 grade environment with about 75% >> male students and 25% female. >> >> I strive to make lessons interesting and sometimes humorous. >> I have been in other younger and /or "in shape" teacher's >> classrooms and feel that their lessons are not as >> interesting. In fact, sometimes they lecture all period >> which I was told NEVER to do. But they seem to have a much >> better control of their classrooms, especially the younger >> male teachers. It seems the male students are more "afraid" >> of the younger males and the females think they are >> attractive or look up to them like an older brother. I >> cannot help but think that it is human nature that the >> students will listen better and be more likely to follow >> directions. They also seem to get more out of the students >> than I do. >> >> I am wondering if anyone can give me suggestions on how to >> deal with this? The main management problems I have are 1) >> students constantly trying to get out their phones to text >> when I am not looking, 2) talking when I am giving a lesson, >> 3) completely ignoring me when I am giving out instructions, >> 4) forcing me to talk loudly because they just will not >> quiet down, 5) not working unless I am standing right over >> them. Again...it is not my intent to offend anyone. Thank >> you in advance. >>
I've always managed my own classrooms effectively, as well as pull-out/push-in programs that met several times/week, but this meeting once/week is a first for me. I need classroom management ideas from teachers who have taught in similar situations. It's going to take me all year just to learn the 200+ students' names!
I can only tell you one thing. Remember what you said last time in each class. I know it's very very hard but essential. Otherwise you will be in a hell of a mess. I had a notebook for each class. Remembering names is more difficult. Try and let the students say each others names in dialoques, discussions, etc., for example.
Yours, Fanny
On 9/12/11, Rose wrote: > I've just started a p/t job where I go into each classroom > for 45 minutes once/week. It's an urban K-3 school; there > are about 25 students/class and a few strong behavior > challenges in most of the classes. > > I've always managed my own classrooms effectively, as well > as pull-out/push-in programs that met several times/week, > but this meeting once/week is a first for me. I need > classroom management ideas from teachers who have taught in > similar situations. It's going to take me all year just to > learn the 200+ students' names! > > Thanks!
cRose, I bet if you post this question on the Music teacher or Art teacher boards you will get TONS of responses. This is what they deal with all the time
Today in class the socializing was really getting to me with some of my Spanish II students. It seems like the mentality of some students is just to sit in class and socialize and not to care at all about learning the material or getting a good grade in the class. Not all my students, maybe not even half of them are like that, but the ones that are in school just to socialize are really frustrating me right now. I have a hard time understanding this mindset. Some of them just spend time talking instead of getting started on their work. There are a few students in one particular class that will make soft remarks which I find disrespectful, but I don’t pursue the issue because they are not said out loud and I don’t want to be writing detentions/referrals for every little thing.
What type of consequences do you think are effective for this type of student?
Thanks for your insights! Daniel Hanson Public High School Spanish Teacher Atwater, California, USA
Ask students when it is OK to talk (partner work, group work, at lunch etc.) Ask Students when to NOT talk (Silent work, when you are teaching, when a student is answering etc) make it a lively discussion. They are high schoolers. They know the rules. They just don't respect you enough (or most adults) to follow them.
Say, You know when to talk and when to be quiet. I am not messing around any more. This is your warning. You talk when you are not supposed to, you get two days minimum. Do you understand? Make sure they all nod.
Go on with your lesson. First kid who talks, detention. lather, rinse, repeat. For every detention you write, 30 seconds after the bell for all for wasting class time. They don't take this seriously? Add more detentions, essays, etc. Should take you about a week, and then you be amazed at all the extra class time you have.
I used to be "nice" and I got walked all over by them. Now I have to plan more into my lessons because I have cut way down on the talking. It only took some pleading looks from students who really wanted to learn for me to crack down.
On 9/26/11, Daniel Hanson wrote: > Hi, everyone! > > Today in class the socializing was really getting > to me with some of my Spanish II students. It seems like > the mentality of some students is just to sit in class and > socialize and not to care at all about learning the > material or getting a good grade in the class. Not all my > students, maybe not even half of them are like that, but > the ones that are in school just to socialize are really > frustrating me right now. I have a hard time understanding > this mindset. Some of them just spend time talking instead > of getting started on their work. There are a few students > in one particular class that will make soft remarks which I > find disrespectful, but I don’t pursue the issue because > they are not said out loud and I don’t want to be writing > detentions/referrals for every little thing. > > What type of consequences do you think are > effective for this type of student? > > > Thanks for your insights! > Daniel Hanson > Public High School Spanish Teacher > Atwater, California, USA
I feel embarrassed admitting this, but several years of teacher, I still don¡¦t know when I should be letting students move around and when not to. I teach high school Spanish and my class does a lot of written work with the textbook. So, some students want to move around to work with others (their friends and buddies, sometimes their very close friends ƒº). Some do it for the social element mainly. I remember in high school and I subbed in classrooms where teachers were okay with students moving around (like in math classes) and sitting with classmates to work on stuff. On the one hand, I can see how students like moving around because they want to socialize while they work. However, some students aren¡¦t mature enough to work while they socialize and just end up socialize and sometimes getting rowdy. These same individuals usually take longer to finish and are usually waiting for their classmates to finish the work so they can copy. Should I just flat out tell them they can¡¦t move around during the class period? Do I just deny moving privileges from certain students, causing some to complain that that¡¦s not far that some students get to move around and they don¡¦t?
I seriously cannot make up my mind on what my stance should be. Right now, I feel like some students feel like they have control over where they can sit in class during class work when ultimately, I should be the one with the last say as to where people can and cannot sit during class. (Obviously, I will have to give out detentions for students talking across the classroom because they can¡¦t go sit by their buddies.)
Please share your thoughts.
Confused, Daniel Hanson Public High School Spanish Teacher Atwater, California, USA
I expect students to ask if they can work with a partner. If the assignment is something that can be finished in class, I let students work with a partner (two person limit).
Other times, I let students know that they are on their own that day.
For the times that students can work with a partner, I give them parameters. Here are some examples: -work with someone immediately next to you -or, students can only work with someone on their side of the room -sit side by side -give students stickers when they come in, and have them match and partner up that way.
Partner/Group Non-negotiables: -I ask students to give me 10 or 15 minutes of "on your own" work, after that time, they can go with a partner. If they are not working on their own, they don't have the privilege of partner. This ensures that some work gets done. -Both students need to be working. If they are talking, or only one is doing the work, the group splits up and each goes back to their seat, no arguing or whining allowed. They can retry working in groups another day.
I don't drag the last one out, I tell the students at the beginning of class what the group norms are. That is their warning. If they are not working, they are splitting up.
Side note, I have found that this year, a lot of students prefer to work on their own.
On 10/08/11, Daniel Hanson wrote: > Hello, everyone! > > I feel embarrassed admitting this, but several > years of teacher, I still don¡¦t know when I should be > letting students move around and when not to. I teach high > school Spanish and my class does a lot of written work with > the textbook. So, some students want to move around to work > with others (their friends and buddies, sometimes their > very close friends ƒº). Some do it for the social element > mainly. I remember in high school and I subbed in > classrooms where teachers were okay with students moving > around (like in math classes) and sitting with classmates > to work on stuff. On the one hand, I can see how students > like moving around because they want to socialize while > they work. However, some students aren¡¦t mature enough to > work while they socialize and just end up socialize and > sometimes getting rowdy. These same individuals usually > take longer to finish and are usually waiting for their > classmates to finish the work so they can copy. Should I > just flat out tell them they can¡¦t move around during the > class period? Do I just deny moving privileges from certain > students, causing some to complain that that¡¦s not far that > some students get to move around and they don¡¦t? > > I seriously cannot make up my mind on what my stance should > be. Right now, I feel like some students feel like they > have control over where they can sit in class during class > work when ultimately, I should be the one with the last say > as to where people can and cannot sit during class. > (Obviously, I will have to give out detentions for students > talking across the classroom because they can¡¦t go sit by > their buddies.) > > Please share your thoughts. > > Confused, > Daniel Hanson > Public High School Spanish Teacher > Atwater, California, USA
Anyway, I am going to be with pre-K-8 for the most part, but I may do 9-12. Most of my experience has been pre-K-5. My biggest concern is classroom discipline, and how to handle the attention seekers and ring leaders. I look a bit younger than I am. And many see a sub as day off.
My plan is to exude a firm and respectful persona. I will stand at the door and greet students as they enter the room. I may also hand them a bell worksheet to begin working on, please and thank you. The AGENDA will be written on the board with two colors of chalk for every other line. Since I was told that some of the classess are 90 minutes long, a break time will be listed. Also, I was thinking of listing at the very end, Homework (they can get a head start on their homework) OR maybe "talk pass", a ticket they may take when they have completed the assignments. They would have to be respectful of neighbors who were still working. What do you think about this? Would it work for HS students? Would I be opening pandoras box? Or if they all completed early, go over homework together or play a quiet game? I used the game for elementary and it worked well, but haven't used for 6th grade and up.
After they complete the bell work, I explain how I would like them to pass it in to me. Then I do my intro and spiel. I review the classroom teacher's rules and expectations and I tell the classroom my own rules while I am their teacher today. They are 1)Be responsible for yourself 2)Be kind to others. I also tell them a little about myself and my interests. I tell them that I am a "real" certified teacher and that I am qualified to teach them, so they can relax because they are in good hands, and I will make sure that they have a productive learning day. I may also inject some humor by mentioning how relieved they must be to hear that.
I realize that I may not have a lot of time to establish a rapport with them, but I do think that it is possible. Any advice on how to earn the rapport and respect of my students in such a short time would be greatly appreciated.
As for breaking rules, consequences, I was told to follow the plan that the regular teacher has in place, but if there is none, or I am unable to locate, I would like to have a plan B. For repeat offender I really like the idea of writing a positive and affirming statement, paragraph. This would remove the problem temporarily and give them time to regroup. And since it would be positive statement, they wouldn't be on defensive? Thoughts? Ages?
I really don't want to resort to sending to office. I have heard of subsitutes being banned for sending to office. but of course, if I feel that I am in a situation I cannot control, I will absolutely call for help.
Adding your own rules puts the hair up on their backs - just a heads up. It suggests that their teacher's rules aren't good enough. Also beware that in these times in which we live, you're a stranger. Subbing is extra hard now that we've taught children to be wary of strangers. Be careful not to appear heavy-handed - high schoolers take a dim view of it and see you as treading too heavily on borrowed authority.
Some students see a sub as a day off - others just dread subs. There's a difference - don't lump them all together. Make sure the bell worksheet you hand them is the teacher's or they'll say "Ms. Smith doesn't give bell work." Then you'll say, "It's my bell work, not Ms.Smith's." And with that you've dissed their teacher without intending to and came off as heavy-handed.
Never give a 'talk pass' to high schoolers.Never discuss your qualifications with them - they don't care at all and it will look ... as if you're trying to impress them and that's a sure sign of weakness. These are not things that will build a rapport.
Don't worry about Plan B - follow the plan given. I want to say this kindly and gently but it's clear that you do have a great deal of experience in the younger grades.
For high school, I'd recommend a pleasantly brisk manner and always have the teacher's lesson plan in your hands so they can see it. Get the job done, keep everyone safe, ignore minor disruptions, don't go over your qualifications or try to make jokes. Many of them dread subs precisely because the subs come in with a chip on their shoulder or wearing their ego needs on their sleeves.
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> > > > After they complete the bell work, I explain how I would > like them to pass it in to me. Then I do my intro and > spiel. I review the classroom teacher's rules and > expectations and I tell the classroom my own rules while I > am their teacher today. They are 1)Be responsible for > yourself 2)Be kind to others. I also tell them a little > about myself and my interests. I tell them that I am > a "real" certified teacher and that I am qualified to teach > them, so they can relax because they are in good hands, and > I will make sure that they have a productive learning day. > I may also inject some humor by mentioning how relieved > they must be to hear that. > > I realize that I may not have a lot of time to establish a > rapport with them, but I do think that it is possible. Any > advice on how to earn the rapport and respect of my > students in such a short time would be greatly appreciated. > > As for breaking rules, consequences, I was told to follow > the plan that the regular teacher has in place, but if > there is none, or I am unable to locate, I would like to > have a plan B. For repeat offender I really like the idea > of writing a positive and affirming statement, paragraph. > This would remove the problem temporarily and give them > time to regroup. And since it would be positive statement, > they wouldn't be on defensive? Thoughts? Ages? > > I really don't want to resort to sending to office. I have > heard of subsitutes being banned for sending to office. but > of course, if I feel that I am in a situation I cannot > control, I will absolutely call for help. > > Thank you for any opinions or ideas. > > Rachel
I have Mrs. X's plan here. We will work through it. Depending on how well you work determines your free time at the end of class. Sound good?
Mrs. X has also instructed me to take names of any student who chooses to disrupt the learning of other students. Please begin...
On 10/10/11, Long term HS Sub wrote: > On 10/09/11, Rachel wrote: > > Adding your own rules puts the hair up on their backs - just a > heads up. It suggests that their teacher's rules aren't good > enough. Also beware that in these times in which we live, > you're a stranger. Subbing is extra hard now that we've taught > children to be wary of strangers. Be careful not to appear > heavy-handed - high schoolers take a dim view of it and see you > as treading too heavily on borrowed authority. > > Some students see a sub as a day off - others just dread subs. > There's a difference - don't lump them all together. Make sure > the bell worksheet you hand them is the teacher's or they'll > say "Ms. Smith doesn't give bell work." Then you'll say, "It's > my bell work, not Ms.Smith's." And with that you've dissed > their teacher without intending to and came off as heavy-handed. > > Never give a 'talk pass' to high schoolers.Never discuss your > qualifications with them - they don't care at all and it will > look ... as if you're trying to impress them and that's a sure > sign of weakness. These are not things that will build a rapport. > > Don't worry about Plan B - follow the plan given. I want to say > this kindly and gently but it's clear that you do have a great > deal of experience in the younger grades. > > For high school, I'd recommend a pleasantly brisk manner and > always have the teacher's lesson plan in your hands so they can > see it. Get the job done, keep everyone safe, ignore minor > disruptions, don't go over your qualifications or try to make > jokes. Many of them dread subs precisely because the subs come > in with a chip on their shoulder or wearing their ego needs on > their sleeves. > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> After they complete the bell work, I explain how I would >> like them to pass it in to me. Then I do my intro and >> spiel. I review the classroom teacher's rules and >> expectations and I tell the classroom my own rules while I >> am their teacher today. They are 1)Be responsible for >> yourself 2)Be kind to others. I also tell them a little >> about myself and my interests. I tell them that I am >> a "real" certified teacher and that I am qualified to teach >> them, so they can relax because they are in good hands, and >> I will make sure that they have a productive learning day. >> I may also inject some humor by mentioning how relieved >> they must be to hear that. >> >> I realize that I may not have a lot of time to establish a >> rapport with them, but I do think that it is possible. Any >> advice on how to earn the rapport and respect of my >> students in such a short time would be greatly appreciated. >> >> As for breaking rules, consequences, I was told to follow >> the plan that the regular teacher has in place, but if >> there is none, or I am unable to locate, I would like to >> have a plan B. For repeat offender I really like the idea >> of writing a positive and affirming statement, paragraph. >> This would remove the problem temporarily and give them >> time to regroup. And since it would be positive statement, >> they wouldn't be on defensive? Thoughts? Ages? >> >> I really don't want to resort to sending to office. I have >> heard of subsitutes being banned for sending to office. but >> of course, if I feel that I am in a situation I cannot >> control, I will absolutely call for help. >> >> Thank you for any opinions or ideas. >> >> Rachel
I know that in public schools, we are imune to "assault on a minor." However, I just learned that in a private school, the head coach was boys for not being clean shaven. Can he be charged????
I know that in public schools, we are imune to "assault on a minor." However, I just learned that in a private school, the head coach PAD_D_LED boys for not being clean shaven. Can he be charged????
On 10/18/11, Zodea wrote: > I'm sorry... what was the question? That did make any sense. > I think you left out a verb or three. > > On 10/16/11, regular wrote: >> I know that in public schools, we are imune to "assault on >> a minor." However, I just learned that in a private >> school, the head coach was boys for not being clean >> shaven. Can he be charged????
Provided that the situation falls under ILP immunity many states have specific laws pertaining to corporal punishment.
Private school rules are a completely different story and are shielded even more so from school law.
On 11/10/11, op wrote: > sorry about the typo..... > > I know that in public schools, we are imune to "assault on > a minor." However, I just learned that in a private > school, the head coach PAD_D_LED boys for not being clean > shaven. Can he be charged???? > > On 10/18/11, Zodea wrote: >> I'm sorry... what was the question? That did make any sense. >> I think you left out a verb or three. >> >> On 10/16/11, regular wrote: >>> I know that in public schools, we are imune to "assault on >>> a minor." However, I just learned that in a private >>> school, the head coach was boys for not being clean >>> shaven. Can he be charged????
I also agree that if you continue to try and handle it alone, you will be putting yourself at risk. Much better off to make sure your attempts so far are recorded and someone else is aware that there is a problem.
We had a something happen at our school recently where teachers were complaining about a specific student. The principal went to call the parents and talk about it and discovered the student had only been written up once the entire year. He said it was a very difficult conversation because there was no record that the kid was causing troubles in school.