Classroom management is a skill learned on the job - every new teacher has to work their way through this and there are no shortcuts. And what works varies from teacher to teacher and certainly from school to school. Your best bet is to observe your building colleagues.
Turn your card won't work for 4th and 5th and buying rewards doesn't work either. Kids get jaded with the rewards and rewards send the wrong message.
In a very small country school, you should be able to become more of a commanding presence. Do these kids' parents know they're giving you trouble? Have you talked with the kids as individuals and as a class?
My first principal assured me that I would find 'my voice' and that I would find what worked for me. You have to do some trial and error to find what works for you. Is it just a few kids, just one kid or is it the entire class? And how many in your class?
I have > thought of using the old "turn your card" "name and X's on > the board" and others like these but is that too immature > for 4th and 5th grade? I want to use something positive but > without having to buy rewards since that can be costly. The > only consequence I really have is recess. Not sure of any > other consequence I can use (at least at my school)...very > small country school. I find myself spending a lot of time > on discipline issues that need to be spent on learning. > PLEASE GIVE ME OPINIONS AND IDEAS THAT HAVE WORKED FOR > YOU!!!!
I teach 7th and 8th grade middle school at a K-8 school. Recently, they got rid of all referrals and our "responsible thinking room" where students could be sent there if they needed to make better choices in class. Because of the instructional time that was being missed, students cannot be sent out of the classroom unless there is physical fightin...See MoreI teach 7th and 8th grade middle school at a K-8 school. Recently, they got rid of all referrals and our "responsible thinking room" where students could be sent there if they needed to make better choices in class. Because of the instructional time that was being missed, students cannot be sent out of the classroom unless there is physical fighting anymore. I just had a class today that I felt that I just lost control of. This is my 6th year of teaching, and I have never had this issue since student teaching. They were loud and not listening. My consequences are 1) move seat 2) phone call home 3) lunch detention. SO apparently now the kids don't really care if that happens to them. They don't care if they have a detention. I have 10 coming in for lunch on Monday and they think it's funny. I have made 5 of the 10 calls. Some parents will care, some don't. I had a student today who was so rude and awful. He was so negative and argued against everything I was teaching. Anytime I told him to listen, he would argue. This was really what set the other students off. It was like almost each one became disrespectful. My quiet one was turned around in her seat--the one who usually listens. I had a girl make noises while I was giving a lesson. I had a student doing something else. I kind of raised my voice, but not really. I told them they all needed to listen. It was just too many at once. I didn't have anything immediate enough, but I did pass out behavior tickets to the students who were doing well. Well when I called the principal to see if she could have the disrespectful boy sit by here, she said "no". I almost wanted to cry. What are some consequences that I can have that are in my class and I don't need the principal?????????????????????? It would have to work for middle school. The kids don't listen. If they drop something on the floor, the logical consequence is to pick it up. The boy would not pick it up. Well, what happens then? He got a lunch detention. He didn't show up today. I will call home, but is it crazy I can't get my principal's help?
Yesterday, in one of my classes, I corrected a boy and girl who had switched seats. I politely asked them to return to their assigned seats. The boy did so without argument, but the girl talked back and rudely snapped "I'm not the problem". I responded " you are not the problem, the fact that you are not in your assigned seat is", and I repeated my request. She begrudgingly complied.
As we continued in class, the students were involved in an activity that was meant to be very fun and engaging. This girl just sat back with her arms folded and a nasty look on her face. As the others were involved in their work, I went up to her and cheerfully said "Relax and try to have some fun" and I tapped her on th head with a small paper I was carrying kind of jokingly.
She snapped back " please do not touch me". Despite the rude way in which the comment was delivered, this was a reasonable request, so I let it go and walked away. At the end of class as the others were leaving, I apologized to her saying "I'm sorry, my intention was not to hurt you or invade your space".
She put her hand in my face, turned her back to me, grumbled and walked out...
I thought I tried to do everything to be nice and welcoming and all I got was disrespect. Do I let the disrespect go or do I need to show this girl who is in charge?
I don't know if I would look at it as flat out "disrespect." You didn't go into too much detail about the past relationship you have with the student. Without knowing the prior history, it's hard to establish whether or not the issue really is discipline related or something else -- did she get bad news at home? Is she hungry?
And I would be very, very careful about playfully striking students. If haven't built up that kind of relationship with a student, where they know you're just trying to lighten the mood, they could very well go to an administrator and say that you assaulted them
> On 1/28/12, Holly wrote: >> I have a situation with a student, and I'm not sure what is >> the best way to react... > > what do you want to accomplish? That should direct what you do. > It's often not possible with adolescents to do any one thing > that 'cures them' of being an adolescent. So when you say "show > her who's in charge" I'd say - particularly after you did in > fact invade her space - let it alone at least for now. This kid > seems on the edge - who needs a blow up on their hands? If you > try now to 'show her who's in charge' you might risk making her > madder. > > Maybe by "I'm not the problem" she meants "he sat in my seat, > this is his doing" but she didn't say that and you didn't > explore with her what she meant. It's hard to know what > preceded them being in each other's seats. > > There's no way to tap a teenager on the head 'kind of > jokingly'. They will most often overreact to such a gesture - > would you tap a colleague on the head? While you didn't mean it > to be disrespectful, it rather is. > > I'd say your intention was to rather wake her up and get her > back on track. That's a fine intention but tapping her on the > head wasn't the right gesture. And teenagers focus in on the > negative, not the positive. > > let it go particularly as I wouldn't want to have to explain to > her parents or an administrator why i tapped her on the head > with a rolled-up piece of paper. > >> > > >> >> She put her hand in my face, turned her back to me, >> grumbled and walked out... >> >> I thought I tried to do everything to be nice and welcoming >> and all I got was disrespect. Do I let the disrespect go or >> do I need to show this girl who is in charge?
I had a paper I rolled up and tapped a girl on the head. She was kept from computers as she missed a lot of work due to sickness. My Dad would always do a "love tap" with the newspaper. I thought that was what I was doing. She said nothing and then it turns out she refused to return to school because I hit her. The principal asked a co-worker if he thought I could hit someone...geeeeeezzzzzzz. You cannot touch kids nowadays at all. Sorry for you and your situation!
Obviously administration doesn't do much, n...See MoreI recently switched schools at semester. The new class (2nd grade) I have is HORRIBLE! I'm told it's better than before. They don't listen, walk out of class, fight, swear at each other, when they are out of the class they run up and down the hallways and hide in the hallways or bathrooms...etc.
Obviously administration doesn't do much, nor do the parents. I'm not one really big on bribes, and I have had kids stealing my stuff! The school does have a school wide behavioral plan-PBIS.
Any suggestions from anyone? I've had them for 11 days and have gone over my rules, expectations, practiced routines, called parents, sent kids to office, some have gotten suspended, kept in at recess, praised good ones, removed bad ones, rewarded good ones, but am I EXPECTING too much 11 days into it????? I was told the other teacher did nothing (who knows though).
So, again...suggestions. How long do you think it should take before a class is running smoothly. Oh...the classroom is also a pig sty...staying an extra 3 hours every day to clean it.
I just posted to a p...See MoreAdmin isn't involved? No behavior support team in place? What is up with schools saying they are using PBIS when they are doing no such thing. Not big on bribes? PBIS is a Positive Proactive Preventative program that uses rewards. I take it you have not been trained in this program. So much for the school wide program.
I just posted to a previous person about PBIS so I am just linking that for you. If admin isn't doing much it isn't going to help as they are part of that school wide part.
On 2/07/12, teach wrote: > Obviously administration doesn't do much, nor do the > parents. I'm not one really big on bribes, and I have had > kids stealing my stuff! The school does have a school wide > behavioral plan-PBIS.
On 2/14/12, Sara wrote: > On 2/07/12, teach wrote: &g...See Moreit really depends on how long it has ran that way. I would give it at least a month. My suggestion is read the Harry Wong's Book "The first day of school." he gives lots of practical advice. Just remember that the incentive to do good has to be more then the incentive not to be good.
On 2/14/12, Sara wrote: > On 2/07/12, teach wrote: > > Well, it's a bit since you posted - I hope things are better. > A messy classroom does not help to foster order so cleaning > the room is always good. > 2nd graders should be able to be scared into listening but > then again some 2nd graders are pretty jaded these days. How > large is the class? > > What's the school wide behavior plan? And have you seen any > improvement from the things you're doing? >> >> Any suggestions from anyone? I've had them for 11 days and >> have gone over my rules, expectations, practiced routines, >> called parents, sent kids to office, some have gotten >> suspended, kept in at recess, praised good ones, removed >> bad ones, rewarded good ones, but am I EXPECTING too much >> 11 days into it????? I was told the other teacher did >> nothing (who knows though). >> >> So, again...suggestions. How long do you think it should >> take before a class is running smoothly. Oh...the classroom >> is also a pig sty...staying an extra 3 hours every day to >> clean it. >> >> Thanks...getting frustrated with this class.
We are a PB...See MoreI teach in an urban school system riddled with the problems associated with urban schools. After several years, I am now at a different school and in a different role. I presently teach middle school students, and while I have experience with this age range, the students that I have now challenge me in my classroom management.
We are a PBIS school, so I have identified expectations hangning within the classroom. We have also discussed and practiced these expectations. Regardless, I have students who get out of their seats and walk over to other students to socialize during my instruction or when they are to be working on some assigned task. When I redirect them, I get cursed out and threatened by one students (I am going to F-- hit you), but he never makes any attempt to hit me.
Our principal would like us to handle most situations ourselves, and I have tried several ways without success. One student in particular refuses to attend any assigned consequence such as lunch detention, afterschool detention, or Saturday School. He informed me that he's "not doing it." His home life is not good so there is no one supporting school. My other students see him being defiant and disrespectful to me, with no consequence, and are starting to act out as well. Other than in school suspension, I don't know where to go. Suggestions, please.
The bottom line right now is you are in a power struggle with this child. Nobody wins in power struggles. You are frustrated, it's affecting the other children and the child is not developing the coping mechanisms or skills he needs.
To be quite honest from what you are describing it doesn't sound like your school is following the PBIS program as designed. The very fact that you have lunch and after school detentions says this is probably not a true PBIS system in your school. PBIS is a POSITIVE PROACTIVE PREVENTATIVE program not based on punishment. Programs don't work if they are not fully implemented as designed. Resorting to detentions is a last ditch effort for worst case scenarios at the third level only and should account for a very very small population at your school if the first two levels are done properly. It sounds like your school has implemented the first level but left you hanging without the second and third level.
First level is schoolwide and those expectations should be the same in every classroom and everywhere in the school. It starts with focusing on what the expectations are. There is some type of reward program in place for those that are successful.
If you have a child that isn't working for the jump is not to "trying things" then detentions.
The secondary level of prevention is support programs for the child starting with an FBA to determine why the behavior occurs. There should be a support team already in place that assists with the FBA and determining the childs needs at the second level. Then an individualized plan is put in place for that child in the classroom. It is still a positive plan, not punishment driven. It might mean providing more guidance/skill acquisition to help the child meet the expected behavior with frequent rewards for any successes.
The third level moves to a more intensive proactive plan and in the case of a child that might be a danger to himself or others an emergency plan. It might include rearranging the childs physical environment, teaching skills, bringing in more resources, assistance outside the classroom etc. Detention might be used as a last resort at this level.
Here is a link to the PBIS site so you can read up and perhaps find some answers. You will be able to tell how your school plan is compared to the program design.
Utilize the legal system!On 2/10/12, Kathy wrote: > I teach in an urban school system riddled with the problems > associated with urban schools. After several years, I am > now at a different school and in a different role. I > presently teach middle school students, and while I have > experience with this age range, the students that I have > now challen...See MoreOn 2/10/12, Kathy wrote: > I teach in an urban school system riddled with the problems > associated with urban schools. After several years, I am > now at a different school and in a different role. I > presently teach middle school students, and while I have > experience with this age range, the students that I have > now challenge me in my classroom management. > > We are a PBIS school, so I have identified expectations > hangning within the classroom. We have also discussed and > practiced these expectations. Regardless, I have students > who get out of their seats and walk over to other students > to socialize during my instruction or when they are to be > working on some assigned task. When I redirect them, I get > cursed out and threatened by one students (I am going to F-- > hit you), but he never makes any attempt to hit me. > > Our principal would like us to handle most situations > ourselves, and I have tried several ways without success. > One student in particular refuses to attend any assigned > consequence such as lunch detention, afterschool detention, > or Saturday School. He informed me that he's "not doing > it." His home life is not good so there is no one > supporting school. My other students see him being defiant > and disrespectful to me, with no consequence, and are > starting to act out as well. Other than in school > suspension, I don't know where to go. Suggestions, please.
Utilize the legal system!
Check to see what there is in the law of your state concerning student behavior in the public schools.
Years ago, in the publication New York Teacher, there was a letter from a teacher who said that he informs the students and their parents of the legal requirement that students be subordinate and orderly in school at all times.
If students acted otherwise, he would have them brought into family court. Judges are empowered to impose penalties, including a fine for the parent or guardian.
The students learned very quickly how to comply with the law!
If your state education law doesn't contain a proper disciplinary code, or penalties, contact your state legislators, state board of education, and copy the governor and media. And that's all the legislators, and not just the ones from your local area.
Let's not put up with the nonsense that goes on in most school systems that it's a teacher's "fault" if students are misbehaving, or the teacher didn't "engage" them, or whatever
Teachers and counselors are showing this 9 minute video to students of all ages. It answers that simple, yet profound question, "Where will you live?" (you are building it now) [link removed]
On 2/22/12, MsCar...See MoreJust so you know I am a parent not a teacher. If the parents are truly not doing anything a contract is probably not going to make any difference in my opinion.
How old are the kids? What is your school policy in regards to what they are doing? What does admin have to say about it and why are they not involved?
On 2/22/12, MsCarol wrote: > I have spent the entire school year battling disruptive > students. Without going into a lot of detail, let me just > say that I have tried everything! I was wondering if any of > you have tried parental contracts to hold parents > responsible for doing NOTHING after being asked to help > rectify the problems caused by their "little angels". They > have torn up computers, learning games, chart stands, > furniture, etc.... I would love to send these parents a bill > for damages!
On 3/10/12, Mg wrote: > I am a high school teacher. I have this class that is very > high maintenance. They have a lot of energy, and they do > little things that interrupt what I'm trying to do in class > - talk to their partner, make comments to get attention ... > It really gets to me, and I take it personally and I keep > thinking about it even when I get home. Do you ever feel > like this? What works for you?
take time, owe timeOn 3/15/12, Hmmmm... sounds familiar. What works for me depends on the class dynamics & demographics. Usually I first try, "divide & conquor". Split up the chatty folk on other sides of the room. For those who "can't keep their mouths closed during instruction & need that 1:1", they owe you time after class for every minute you stop tea...See MoreOn 3/15/12, Hmmmm... sounds familiar. What works for me depends on the class dynamics & demographics. Usually I first try, "divide & conquor". Split up the chatty folk on other sides of the room. For those who "can't keep their mouths closed during instruction & need that 1:1", they owe you time after class for every minute you stop teaching during class. This way they get their 1:1 time, even if they are late to their next class (no excuse slip provided for tardiness). I think you get the idea... make the consequence fit the adverse behavior & even better yet.. provide them w/ an alternative behavior for the behavior you want them to avoid. If they need to "say something" during class, have them write it down & after instruction share it w/ the class. Of course tell everyone this activity will only be 2-3 minutes & then on to content work in the classroom. Usually there is a "reason" people act the way they do... why are these kiddos interrupting, what reward do they get from doing it (lack of instruction, work avoidance?)? Change the reward. >
On 3/12/12, After 34 years of what you described..this worked for me.. wrote: > > RETIREMENT!! :):):):):)
> > > > > On 3/10/12, Mg wrote: >> I am a high school teacher. I have this class that is very >> high maintenance. They have a lot of energy, and they do >> little things that interrupt what I'm trying to do in class >> - talk to their partner, make comments to get attention ... >> It really gets to me, and I take it personally and I keep >> thinking about it even when I get home. Do you ever feel >> like this? What works for you?
Apparently my daughter's teacher picked my daughter from the whole class and commented on how nice she looked (it was picture day). And my daughter replied to him by saying, "ooooh yes mr.brown....i know you've been dreaming about me all this time---how would you like me to pose for you?" (and she crossed her legs and did a pouty face). All the children laughed, but she was immediately kicked out because her comment had "sexual undertones and was too sultry/sexy".
My daughter made that comment only because she felt singled out with his creepy comment and wanted to make light of the situation and react quickly, so she wouldn't be teased by her friends. Do you find this fair? a simple, "that is not funny, Sasha" would have been enough.
My husband doesn't side with me and started yelling at our daughter that if she does not keep her mouth shut, that he will permanently make her by glueing it together. I feel so bad---she did NOTHING to get suspended or scowled at.
Teacherwow I am speechless that you as a parent think her comment is ok On 5/23/12, Maureen wrote: > Your daughter sounds like a spoiled brat with some serious > emotional issues. I'm not a psychologist but I suspect that, > through her outrageous, inappropriate and unnacceptable > behavior, she is crying out for help. Students like your >...See Morewow I am speechless that you as a parent think her comment is ok On 5/23/12, Maureen wrote: > Your daughter sounds like a spoiled brat with some serious > emotional issues. I'm not a psychologist but I suspect that, > through her outrageous, inappropriate and unnacceptable > behavior, she is crying out for help. Students like your > daughter can end innocent teachers' careers by such crazy > behavior. Get her help before she goes too far!! (I'm a > retired educator). > > > On 4/07/12, anon wrote: >> My 13 year old daughter can be outspoken sometimes. She's >> witty, smart, cheeky and has great comical timing. On a >> number of occasions I do tell her to keep her mouth shout >> when she goes too far. However, most of the time---she's a >> great and tactful child. Yesterday she got suspended for a >> "sexual comment" she made. I find that ridiculous and >> absolutely absurd! the head office has told me everything >> that has happened and I literally laughed in their face >> because I don't see how that situation justified a >> suspension. I want your take on this and whether you side >> with me? >> >> Apparently my daughter's teacher picked my daughter from >> the whole class and commented on how nice she looked (it >> was picture day). And my daughter replied to him by saying, >> "ooooh yes mr.brown....i know you've been dreaming about me >> all this time---how would you like me to pose for you?" >> (and she crossed her legs and did a pouty face). All the >> children laughed, but she was immediately kicked out >> because her comment had "sexual undertones and was too >> sultry/sexy". >> >> My daughter made that comment only because she felt singled >> out with his creepy comment and wanted to make light of the >> situation and react quickly, so she wouldn't be teased by >> her friends. Do you find this fair? a simple, "that is not >> funny, Sasha" would have been enough. >> >> My husband doesn't side with me and started yelling at our >> daughter that if she does not keep her mouth shut, that he >> will permanently make her by glueing it together. I feel so >> bad---she did NOTHING to get suspended or scowled at.
TANJA wheelerOn 12/06/12, Teacher wrote: > > wow I am speechless that you as a parent think her comment is > ok On 5/23/12, Maureen wrote: >> Your daughter sounds like a spoiled brat with some serious >> emotional issues. I'm not a psychologist but I suspect that, >> through her outrageous, inappropriate and unnacceptable >> be...See MoreOn 12/06/12, Teacher wrote: > > wow I am speechless that you as a parent think her comment is > ok On 5/23/12, Maureen wrote: >> Your daughter sounds like a spoiled brat with some serious >> emotional issues. I'm not a psychologist but I suspect that, >> through her outrageous, inappropriate and unnacceptable >> behavior, she is crying out for help. Students like your >> daughter can end innocent teachers' careers by such crazy >> behavior. Get her help before she goes too far!! (I'm a >> retired educator). >> >> >> On 4/07/12, anon wrote: >>> My 13 year old daughter can be outspoken sometimes. She's >>> witty, smart, cheeky and has great comical timing. On a >>> number of occasions I do tell her to keep her mouth shout >>> when she goes too far. However, most of the time---she's a >>> great and tactful child. Yesterday she got suspended for a >>> "sexual comment" she made. I find that ridiculous and >>> absolutely absurd! the head office has told me everything >>> that has happened and I literally laughed in their face >>> because I don't see how that situation justified a >>> suspension. I want your take on this and whether you side >>> with me? >>> I am a school administrator and not only was her comment totally inappropriate I would of suspended her due to gross sexual harrassment of a staff member and removed her from the teachers class.
>>> Apparently my daughter's teacher picked my daughter from >>> the whole class and commented on how nice she looked (it >>> was picture day). And my daughter replied to him by saying, >>> "ooooh yes mr.brown....i know you've been dreaming about me >>> all this time---how would you like me to pose for you?" >>> (and she crossed her legs and did a pouty face). All the >>> children laughed, but she was immediately kicked out >>> because her comment had "sexual undertones and was too >>> sultry/sexy". >>> >>> My daughter made that comment only because she felt singled >>> out with his creepy comment and wanted to make light of the >>> situation and react quickly, so she wouldn't be teased by >>> her friends. Do you find this fair? a simple, "that is not >>> funny, Sasha" would have been enough. >>> >>> My husband doesn't side with me and started yelling at our >>> daughter that if she does not keep her mouth shut, that he >>> will permanently make her by glueing it together. I feel so >>> bad---she did NOTHING to get suspended or scowled at.