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Ever encounter a weak reader who could write?

by Sara

Dec 12, 2013

I've seen strong readers who yet could not write well and have also seen strong readers who even wrote very poorly - genuinely dysgraphic.

Has anyone ever encountered a weak reader who could write well? I don't think it's possible - if a person can't decode, how do they encode?

I'd be interested in the experiences of others on thi...See More

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marjoryt I've seen a few writers who only did well with instructions, but wrote EXCELLENT examples.

I've also seen writers who simply could not put together a set of instructions, even after several assignments. Could not get the sequence correct, could not stay on the topic, left out essential details - usually they had several of these issues. <...See More

Dec 14, 2013

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A This seems very unlikely. As you said, if the student can't decode, how can he encode? Possibilities: - The student's reading ability is actually better than you believe, but he hasn't been doing the reading, leading you to think he's incapable. - Someone else is doing the writing outside class. A girlfriend? A well- intentioned parent? Or could th...See More

Dec 23, 2013

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9th Grade Novel Teaching

by SG

Dec 5, 2013

My daughter is in the 9th grade. She is attending a charter school with a good reputation, but I'm starting to have some doubts about the quality of teaching particularly with her English classes. In her 9th grade literature class, they have not read a novel in the fall semester. They have read and done some analysis with short stories, but they ha...See More

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Modern Everyman On 12/05/13, SG wrote: > My daughter is in the 9th grade. She is attending a charter > school with a good reputation, but I'm starting to have > some doubts about the quality of teaching particularly with > her English classes. In her 9th grade literature class, > they have not read a novel in the fall semester. They have > read a...See More

Dec 7, 2013

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SG Thanks to all for your responses - much appreciated. R&J has finally been started - barely - and I still have some suspicions that something is amiss in the class, but we're going to ride it out a little longer and see what happens. Thanks again for tking the time to respond.

Dec 17, 2013

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Schooling poetry unit

by Vanessa soldano

Dec 3, 2013

I am creating a poetry unit with a schooling theme. How can I create lessons that encourage the students to discover the literary elements rather than me just telling them. Thanks. I'm doing one element per poem

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Steve On 12/03/13, Vanessa soldano wrote: > I am creating a poetry unit with a schooling theme. How can > I create lessons that encourage the students to discover > the literary elements rather than me just telling them. > Thanks. I'm doing one element per poem

Reading poetry is not easy and for some students it's near to impossible....See MoreOn 12/03/13, Vanessa soldano wrote: > I am creating a poetry unit with a schooling theme. How can > I create lessons that encourage the students to discover > the literary elements rather than me just telling them. > Thanks. I'm doing one element per poem

Reading poetry is not easy and for some students it's near to impossible. Reading poetry is different from any other kind of reading.

So the first issue is just reading it - students are taught to read for understanding and that's how they approach poetry - but poetry isn't written that way and it can't be understood really like expository writing or even like fiction.

So first - how much poetry have they read before this? How comfortable are they with poetry overall? What other units on poetry have preceded this one? The literary elements of poetry wouldn't be a place to begin with poetry but it would help to know what the first units were.

The task you're setting them to is not an easy one. How skilled are they are detecting the literary elements of a short story? How many overlaps in your literary elements are there? Take the three literary elements of the short story that they are best with and search out those three in poetry.

Then for each literary element you're trying to teach, choose the poem that all but 'screams' that literary element at them. And tell them so - and you might have to do that a few times before they get the 'feel' of it. Choose your poems carefully - they need poems that are more obvious in their use and display of the literary elements you're trying to teach.

The task you're setting them to is not an easy one. How skilled are they are detecting the literary elements of a short story? How many overlaps in your literary elements are there? Take the three literary elements of the short story that they are best with and search out those three in poetry.

I don't know exactly what you mean by a 'schooling theme' but that you're trying to school them in understanding and discovering the literary elements of poetry.

Dec 5, 2013

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marjoryt I agree with the previous posters. Very definitely you'll want to provide plenty of your own examples (ones you did) and others (from the internet).

Since my students begin the semester with short stories and plays, they know the basic formalist elements, and they've been exposed to cultural, historical, and psychological strategies. Start...See More

Dec 14, 2013

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