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"Climate Expert" Al Gore Refuted On Climate Change

by EasTexSteve

Aug 2, 2017

You can't beat hands on experience LOL!

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Gore was taking questions from the audience on a CNN town hall with Anderson Cooper when the fisherman and Tangier Island mayor James Eskridge refuted Gore's assertion that rising sea levels were endangering coastal communities.

"I'm a commercial crabber and I've been working the Chesapeake Bay for 50+ years. I have a crab house business out on the water and the water level is the same as it was when the place was built in 1970," Eskridge said. "I'm not a scientist, but I am a keen observer and if sea level rises are occurring, why am I not seeing signs of it?"

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/01/commercial-crabber-of-50-years-tells-gore-sea-level-hasnt-changed-since-at-least-1970/

Commercial Crabber Of 50 Years Tells Gore Sea Level Hasn’t Changed Since At Least 1970

Al Gore was challenged on climate science Tuesday night when the mayor of Tangier Island, a community threatened by coastal erosion, told the environmentalist film producer he hadn't seen the sea leve

The Daily Caller | dailycaller.com

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T.E.C. - Iowa You have to be kidding me! This is what ETS calls evidence - a crabber says, "I have a crab house business out on the water and the water level is the same as it was when the place was built in 1970." The current rate of sea level rise is around 2 mm/yr, and this guy thinks what he "sees" as opposed to measurements is what we should go by.

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EasTexSteve The problem is, that NASA doesn't have ALL the ACCURATE data needed. You can't just say "the sea level is rising" and tell the whole story. Three things all the "experts" overlook that cause land to sink and sea levels to rise are subsidence due to ground water loss, erosion, and sedimentation. And, for good reason, because these three things are a...See More

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T.E.C. - Iowa It is always amazing how ETS "just knows" the scientists do not know about such things as "subsidence due to ground water loss, erosion, and sedimentation." I am not an expert on geology. I have only spent a summer as a graduate student studying geology in Colorado (the credits were from the University of Oklahoma). However, that small experience i...See MoreIt is always amazing how ETS "just knows" the scientists do not know about such things as "subsidence due to ground water loss, erosion, and sedimentation." I am not an expert on geology. I have only spent a summer as a graduate student studying geology in Colorado (the credits were from the University of Oklahoma). However, that small experience is enough that I know geologist can tell you all about all of the above and both when and where they are occurring - with very few exceptions.

The point: ETS is doing the same crap we get from Climate deniers - "The scientists do not know this or that!" When they do know!

ETS also writes, "For one thing, even though sea levels may be rising, we also gained (not lost) coastal land area to the amount of 58,000 km2 of net land surface area, including 13,565 km2 of net coastal land surface area, in the past 30 years. So, how can you have both happening at the same time?"

I have written many times before "a question is not an argument!" ETS thinks the above facts are counter intuitive. Surprise, surprise, there is lots in science that is counter intuitive.

But more, ETS is failing to have intellectual discipline in that he is trying to draw a conclusion when the data for that conclusion is not there - at all! For example, if you go to the NASA site and look up the 2016 article "Tracking Surface Water Changes Over the Past 30 Years", you not only find that the land sea loss or gain is a new measurement, but also that the cause of the shifts cannot "yet" be determined.

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The Deltares Aqua Monitor was developed by Gennadii Donchyts, a remote sensing expert at Deltares. It is the first global-scale tool that shows, with a 30-meter resolution, where water has been transformed into land and vice-versa. The Aqua Monitor uses freely available satellite data, ["it analyses satellite imagery from multiple Landsat missions"], and Google Earth Engine, a platform for the planetary-scale scientific analysis of geospatial datasets that is now open to the general public. Gennadii Donchyts: "The Aqua Monitor shows that, around the world between 1985 and 2015, about 173,000 km2, an area about the size of Washington State, has been transformed into land. At the same time, an area of 115,000 km2 has been transformed into water. Both documented and undocumented changes due to man-made interventions, natural variability, and climate change have now been revealed."

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The results of the Aqua Monitor show only the compound impact of natural and human change or variability. It is often hard to tell what has caused a change without determining the details of the local water and sediment budget. While changes in meanders in the Brahmaputra delta are clearly natural, the Mondrian-like shapes near Taiji Nai'er lakes in China are clearly man-made.

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EasTexSteve Ah, yes, the "experts." I remember about 30-odd years ago when the beach at Sargent, TX, started to disappear at an alarming rate. The "experts" immediately started crying about man-made global warming and melting ice caps. And, about 75 percent of the beach really did disappear in just a couple of years. But, it wasn't global warming or rising sea...See More

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T.E.C. - Iowa Now ETS wants to play a silly, but stupid, game. It is called "Let us discredit the experts with a story of one mistake" - if the story is true, we are given no references.

But to the point, yes, experts are sometimes wrong. There are no guarantees in life. What I have said is the experts supply us with the best information we have at the ...See More

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