When words fail you And thoughts o'erwhelm you, When you would say What's on your mind, but can't; It's then you want to Resume your studies; It's then you want to Go back to college; It's then you want That extra knowledge That you missed The first time through.
This old book is tattered; This old book it torn; This old book is yellow; This old book is worn. The one who wrote it now is dead. Oh, how he wanted this old book read!
This old book grew old; It looked a terrible sight And so the librarian threw it away one night; But a scholar, digging in the trash for books, Rescued it from the bin. Now this old book is read again.
The author of this old book is dead and forgotten, But his words speak on on pages now rotten. The worm and roach have done their deeds Upon its spine and edges; But just as much today as ever The author speaks from its pages.
Within these pages are diamonds and pearls For scholars and saints to discover; But the librarian threw it away, Regarding only its yellowed cover.
Oh, read with care and turn with ease The pages of this old book: The one the scholar rescued from the trash bin, The one the librarian forsook!
All hail thou noble land, Our Fatrhers' native soil! Oh, strecth thy mighty hand, Gigantic grown by toil, O'er the vast Atlantic wave to our shore! For thou, with magic might, Canst reach to where the light Of Phoebus travels bright The world o'er!
The other night I had a dream As real as it could be. There were Wasington, Madison, Hamilton, Standin’ right in front of me.
Old George he asked, “Where has it gone, The charter that we wrote? The Bill of Rights, where has it gone?” A lump swelled in his throat.
I tried to answer best I could, As tears came to my eyes; Said, “We’ve read of you, as all men should; It’s nice to see you guys!
“I don’t know I can answer you But let me at least try it. It seems today if one wants justice, He had best have money to buy it.
“I s’pose you’ve heard they’ve put a tax Upon the right to bail; And if a defendant the money lacks, He’ll rot away in jail.
“And how defendants are made to pay The judges money to bond out, Even ‘fore they are found guilty Beyond a reasonable doubt.
"Yes, I s'pose you guys are right: It's not like it used to be, When constitutional rights were foremost In the eyes of the judiciary."
“I ‘spect you’re right, that we are now A gov’ment of men, not laws; And that the courts have read away Even the ‘due process’ clause.
On 6/05/09, sleuth wrote: > All hail thou noble land, > Our Fatrhers' native soil! > Oh, strecth thy mighty hand, > Gigantic grown by toil, > O'er the vast Atlantic wave to our shore! > For thou, with magic might, > Canst reach to where the light > Of Phoebus travels bright > The world o'er!
Tyranny, which we revolted from, we then cast upon ourselves.
On 6/08/09, Hardy Parkerson wrote: > And this one: > > A Constitutional Dream > > -by hardy parkerson > > The other night I had a dream > As real as it could be. > There were Wasington, Madison, Hamilton, > Standin’ right in front of me. > > Old George he asked, “Where has it gone, > The charter that we wrote? > The Bill of Rights, where has it gone?” > A lump swelled in his throat. > > I tried to answer best I could, > As tears came to my eyes; > Said, “We’ve read of you, as all men should; > It’s nice to see you guys! > > “I don’t know I can answer you > But let me at least try it. > It seems today if one wants justice, > He had best have money to buy it. > > > “I s’pose you’ve heard they’ve put a tax > Upon the right to bail; > And if a defendant the money lacks, > He’ll rot away in jail. > > “And how defendants are made to pay > The judges money to bond out, > Even ‘fore they are found guilty > Beyond a reasonable doubt. > > "Yes, I s'pose you guys are right: > It's not like it used to be, > When constitutional rights were foremost > In the eyes of the judiciary." > > “I ‘spect you’re right, that we are now > A gov’ment of men, not laws; > And that the courts have read away > Even the ‘due process’ clause. > > > > > > > > > > On 6/05/09, sleuth wrote: >> All hail thou noble land, >> Our Fatrhers' native soil! >> Oh, strecth thy mighty hand, >> Gigantic grown by toil, >> O'er the vast Atlantic wave to our shore! >> For thou, with magic might, >> Canst reach to where the light >> Of Phoebus travels bright >> The world o'er!
Nor force nor fraud shall sunder us! Oh ye Who north or south, on east or western land, Native to noble sounds, say truth for truth, Freedom for freedom, love for love, and God.
=====================...See MoreOn 6/05/09, sleuth wrote: > To: C'est moi, who are those WE? Are you referring to all > professors of this chatboard? Why encourage someone don't > teach someone or him? How did you manage to come up with a > conclusion that students will have nothing to gain > regarding Mr. William Shakespeares' books?
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The "we" I wrote: I sure refer To those who love his works. If Shakespeare pains you, please defer To those who find in him no quirks.
Oh ye Oh ye, a sense of humor There's something so magnificent about it; Think about what you have asked for And make sure that your actions are mirroring, what you expect to receive. I wanna kiss myself sometime! Now I rest my case!
I teach in a community college and once in a while I have one or two students that spend some of their time talking too much during class. I know this is college level and you can ask them to leave the class if they don't want to be quiet. But, what would you do so they stop chatting? Thanks.
On 6/10/09, C'est moi wrote: > On 6/07/09, Hardy Parkerson, J.D. wrote: > He suggested that I get >> the biggest and dumbest guy in the class- >> preferably a football player--and ask him if >> he would like to make an "A" in the class. >> When the big guy affirmed that he surley would >> like the A, but did not think he was capable of it, >> then I should tell him how bad the "smartest" guy >> in the class was treating me and ask him to sit >> right beside him and make sure he did not continue >> to abuse the new professor. Well, he did; and I >> never had a moment's trouble with the "smartest" >> guy in the class after that. And, guess what! The >> big football player "made" his A. > =========================================================== > > Hey! Great routine! You might use that to get your car washed or > for sexual favors - or just extra cash. >
I am currently trying to find out information in my home state, CO, about teaching at the community college level. I'm just not sure how the salary would be determined. I do expect to start/stay part time, and may split my time amongst colleges.
So, what can I expect from this prospect? Thanks, Carl
On 6/10/09, rw wrote: > > Hi Carl, When you're working at multiple college part-time, > pay is typically $1500-2500 a course or so. > > I am currently working for 3 colleges. I can make about $30K > fairly easily but that's without benefits, so after paying for > my own health insurance and retirement it's more like $20K. > > > On 6/07/09, Carl wrote: >> I am currently trying to find out information in my home >> state, CO, about teaching at the community college level. >> I'm just not sure how the salary would be determined. I do >> expect to start/stay part time, and may split my time >> amongst colleges. >> >> So, what can I expect from this prospect? >> Thanks, >> Carl
If you're part-time you can make that for about 16-20 classes/year without benefits.
On 9/23/09, Cole wrote: > Wait so you make how much a year as a Community College > Professor? > > > > > On 6/10/09, rw wrote: >> >> Hi Carl, When you're working at multiple college part-time, >> pay is typically $1500-2500 a course or so. >> >> I am currently working for 3 colleges. I can make about $30K >> fairly easily but that's without benefits, so after paying for >> my own health insurance and retirement it's more like $20K. >> >> >> On 6/07/09, Carl wrote: >>> I am currently trying to find out information in my home >>> state, CO, about teaching at the community college level. >>> I'm just not sure how the salary would be determined. I do >>> expect to start/stay part time, and may split my time >>> amongst colleges. >>> >>> So, what can I expect from this prospect? >>> Thanks, >>> Carl
I love teaching and now I think I'd prefer the community college or liberal arts college atmosphere because I want to be a teacher first and researcher second.
However, pay can be a problem. Looking at local community colleges, their pay scale is similar to that for public school teachers. By the time I have my doctorate in education I will have about a decade of teaching experience.
If I do my MA and doctorate in psychology or history I would assume I'd start at the beginning of the scale and get no credit towards salary for my high school teaching experience. However, if I get my doctorate in education I was wondering how that works. Many education faculty have elementary and high school teaching experience, sometimes quite a few years of experience. Do they usually get credit on the salary scale for their teaching experience (since it is related to their academic area) since so many have extensive teaching experience, or do they have to start from scratch when they become a professor?
I ask, since I probably won't be able to afford a large pay cut and I want to know what the standard is for these things before I start (i.e. if I'll be starting in the $40's or worse, upper $30s, I may was well pursue a different direction). I know each college will probably have its own policies, but I assume there is a general standard to how most schools handle this situation.
I am aware that most colleges and universities rely very heavily on part-time and non-tenure track instructors. It has been this way for quite some time, and this was part of why I initially gave up on the idea of becoming a professor. I went back to college at 25, I didn't like the idea of spending 5 or 6 years to get a Ph.D. in psychology and then have a job without stability or benefits when I would finish in my mid-30s. Now that I have a career and I'll be in my mid-40s by the time I get my doctorate I really don't want to have to do that.
So, here is a new question. After I get my masters I will try to get a part-time position teaching in a local community college or four-year college (with a masters I figure the community college would be much more realistic). By the time I get my doctorate I should have just over a decade teaching in the public schools (if I try to become an education professor that will be work experience in the field I intend to teach) plus five or six years teaching part-time in a community college. With the part-time college teaching experience would I likely be able to skip the time as adjunct or as a non-tenure track instructor, or will most universities and colleges want to see that experience with them and full-time? Also, would the part-time experience be counted at all towards any salary determination? I know I would start at the bottom level when it comes to rank (assistant professor), but most positions have a pay range for people in that position. With the teaching and part-time college experience would I probably still start at the bottom salary tier for the ranking or would I have a chance at being placed higher on the salary range for the position of assistant professor? I have no illusions that I would start at a higher level ranking, but at least I would hope that some of this closely related experience would help my placement on the salary scale.
bernoulliOn 6/19/09, Jeff wrote: > Thanks for the replies so far. > > I am aware that most colleges and universities rely very > heavily on part-time and non-tenure track instructors. It has > been this way for quite some time, and this was part of why I > initially gave up on the idea of becoming a professor. I went > back to college a...See MoreOn 6/19/09, Jeff wrote: > Thanks for the replies so far. > > I am aware that most colleges and universities rely very > heavily on part-time and non-tenure track instructors. It has > been this way for quite some time, and this was part of why I > initially gave up on the idea of becoming a professor. I went > back to college at 25, I didn't like the idea of spending 5 or > 6 years to get a Ph.D. in psychology and then have a job > without stability or benefits when I would finish in my > mid-30s. Now that I have a career and I'll be in my mid-40s by > the time I get my doctorate I really don't want to have to do that. > > So, here is a new question. After I get my masters I will try > to get a part-time position teaching in a local community > college or four-year college (with a masters I figure the > community college would be much more realistic). By the time I > get my doctorate I should have just over a decade teaching in > the public schools (if I try to become an education professor > that will be work experience in the field I intend to teach) > plus five or six years teaching part-time in a community > college. With the part-time college teaching experience would > I likely be able to skip the time as adjunct or as a non-tenure > track instructor, or will most universities and colleges want > to see that experience with them and full-time? Also, would > the part-time experience be counted at all towards any salary > determination? I know I would start at the bottom level when > it comes to rank (assistant professor), but most positions have > a pay range for people in that position. With the teaching and > part-time college experience would I probably still start at > the bottom salary tier for the ranking or would I have a chance > at being placed higher on the salary range for the position of > assistant professor? I have no illusions that I would start at > a higher level ranking, but at least I would hope that some of > this closely related experience would help my placement on the > salary scale.
I have taught at three different institutions and I don't think there is any one practice on how to count years of experience and level of education for pay purposes. Where I am now it seems to be based on highest degree.
Here if you do start tenure track and you have some good teaching experience already, they will knock up to two years off of the tenure process.
Right now our state is in melt down. No telling what lecturer and tenured positions will be available next year yet!
Democratization has significantly changed all that; these days and for a long time most colleges and universities have more or less shelved the liberal arts and devoted their efforts to the training of the worker, professional and technical. The liberal arts are suffered, but they are no longer in the forefront of required subjects. The development of human being has given way to the production of the worker.
Educators who lament this, seem not to have noticed that the new "gentleman," the new wealthy, leisured person is not only the trust baby but that growing number of persons who are retired, many of them perhaps unconsciously hungry for a meaningful intellectual life.
I see little evidence that the exclusively liberal arts colleges (like St. John's?) make significant effort to recruit these new "gentlemen." It is a pity. Those of us who have been so fortunate as to have had older and retired persons as students in our classes and found them delightfully eager to learn our subjects for simply the sake of the knowledge should speak to our university administrations and urge them to make a special effort to recruit these potential students.
bernoulliOn 6/08/09, L. Swilley wrote: > When the liberal arts were strong in universities, their > students were gentlemen - wealthy men who did not work (and > did not need to) and who ideally spent the rest of their > lives improving their minds and serving society in politics > and arts and without pay. The best of these were aware that &...See MoreOn 6/08/09, L. Swilley wrote: > When the liberal arts were strong in universities, their > students were gentlemen - wealthy men who did not work (and > did not need to) and who ideally spent the rest of their > lives improving their minds and serving society in politics > and arts and without pay. The best of these were aware that > in pursuing the liberal arts they were realizing their > human being. > > Democratization has significantly changed all that; these > days and for a long time most colleges and universities > have more or less shelved the liberal arts and devoted > their efforts to the training of the worker, professional > and technical. The liberal arts are suffered, but they are > no longer in the forefront of required subjects. The > development of human being has given way to the production > of the worker. > > Educators who lament this, seem not to have noticed that > the new "gentleman," the new wealthy, leisured person is > not only the trust baby but that growing number of persons > who are retired, many of them perhaps unconsciously hungry > for a meaningful intellectual life. > > I see little evidence that the exclusively liberal arts > colleges (like St. John's?) make significant effort to > recruit these new "gentlemen." It is a pity. Those of us > who have been so fortunate as to have had older and retired > persons as students in our classes and found them > delightfully eager to learn our subjects for simply the > sake of the knowledge should speak to our university > administrations and urge them to make a special effort to > recruit these potential students. > > L. Swilley
L. Swilley,
I thought I would share my experience yesterday hoping you would enjoy it. I attended my son-in-law's college commencement yesterday at a large research university. He graduated with high honors and other awards with a double major in Philosophy and Religious Studies. After attending exclusively professional degree commencements for the past 20 years, it was interesting to attend one in liberal arts. The comments and various speeches were subtly different than what I am used to. My SIL wants to go on for his Ph.D and be a university professor. It will not be easy, but he is passionate and his professors have offered to help him apply for the best schools in his interest areas. Anyway, it was an interesting experience. Little talk of "jobs and careers" and more talk about doing something meaningful, solving world problems, finding a cause to support, and finding something you enjoy doing.
Ain't doin' no good. Wife's on my back. Wants me to work in the yard, And that's a fact.
I just gotta do it! I can't quit! Just gotta do it! I gotta make it! I gotta do better, it's plan to see; Gotta read Boone Pickens' biography.
Don't know how long my kite's gonna fly; I'm sure I'll make it bye and bye. Sometimes I write poems on a whim. And spend my time recitin' them.
I read "All About Music" from BLUE MOON CAFE: Best thing I've read in many a day. "All About Music" gave me the cries; Made big old tears come to my eyes.
I'd never heard of Grayson Capps, Nor any of those other Orleans chaps; But Capps' story makes me cry. He's quite a writer, and that's no lie!
They say that Capps went to Tulane. When I was there, some called it "Jewlane". "Jewlane" and "Jewcomb" there on Broadway, Where all are welcome: Jew, Gentile, Black, Lesbian, Gay.
At night I walked down Natchez Alley With a sexy beauty whose name was Sally. She was a red-head from Fairhope, AL: Just a typical beautiful Newcomb gal.
I rode the dog to get to school. My mother said, "That Hardy's no fool! Though we're not rich, he'll make it yet. Of that I'm sure; I'm willin' to bet."
On the dog from Tulsa with a girl named Alice, We both got off of the dog in Dallas And went Downtown and shook the hand Of Roger Craig, the "Rambler Man",
Who said he saw the man shoot John, And L.H.O. was not the one. He'd told Earl Warren what he'd seen, he said. And 'twasn't long 'fore he was dead.
But what he said I've in my log Entitled "For Those Who Ride the Dog."
A Constitutional Dream
-by hardy parkerson
The other night I had a dream As real as it could be. There were Wasington, Madison, Hamilton, Standin’ right in front of me.
Old George he asked, “Where has it gone, The charter that we wrote? The Bill of Rights, where has it gone?” A lump swelled in...See More