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rigor vs high grade

by cc_rigor

Sep 22, 2010

As an adjunct, how would you hold to minimum standards while expecting descent student-evaluation? would you blame instructors who give really good grades to save their jobs?

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bernoulli On 9/22/10, cc_rigor wrote: > As an adjunct, how would you hold to minimum standards > while expecting descent student-evaluation? > would you blame instructors who give really good grades to > save their jobs?

It has been my experience in 20+ years of teaching at the university that students don't mind rigor if they are treate...See More

Sep 24, 2010

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marjoryt During my years as a student and then instructor, I found that some professors are not in touch with their students. Consequently, miscommunication ensues. Students vastly prefer to be in a class learning something - they don't want to just sit. However, they grow frantic and flee in large numbers if they perceive the instructor is: - assuming that...See MoreDuring my years as a student and then instructor, I found that some professors are not in touch with their students. Consequently, miscommunication ensues. Students vastly prefer to be in a class learning something - they don't want to just sit. However, they grow frantic and flee in large numbers if they perceive the instructor is: - assuming that only the student in that major should make good grades, or that only students who are honor students are worthy of making good grades or that athletes can't be good students or that a bad grade on a test means the student is lazy - and I've heard my coworkers say these things while at lunch - - not updating the information - obviously hasn't changed the notes, refuses to provide real world examples, continues to throw up overhead slide after overhead slide - not responsive to how today's students learn - these students want to do something with the information, not just listen, read, and then test - seeming to enjoy throwing difficult assignments to students with very little warning and no examples - these students ALWAYS want examples - treating the students as if they should be stamping out projects and essays and reports in a factory - no flexibility for due dates, methods of presentation. For example, if a student doesn't have the draft by Tuesday, the student earns an automatic F for the entire assignment with no make up opportunity - 2 of my coworkers do this frequently and believe they are weeding out the poor students.

I've been accused by some of my younger colleagues of being an "easy A." I simply laugh in their faces. My department chair does the same thing. More of my students make As and Bs, but that's because I'm using mastery instruction, not easier assignments. I'm monitoring student performance and tweaking the course to ensure the most students are learning at the success level - B and above.

Students, in my opinion, don't look for "easy" as much as they look for "reasonable expectation of making a decent grade."

Sep 25, 2010

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bernoulli Well said marjory!

On 9/25/10, marjoryt wrote: > During my years as a student and then instructor, I found that > some professors are not in touch with their students. > Consequently, miscommunication ensues. Students vastly prefer > to be in a class learning something - they don't want to just > sit. However, they grow fran...See MoreWell said marjory!

On 9/25/10, marjoryt wrote: > During my years as a student and then instructor, I found that > some professors are not in touch with their students. > Consequently, miscommunication ensues. Students vastly prefer > to be in a class learning something - they don't want to just > sit. However, they grow frantic and flee in large numbers if > they perceive the instructor is: > - assuming that only the student in that major should make good > grades, or that only students who are honor students are worthy > of making good grades or that athletes can't be good students or > that a bad grade on a test means the student is lazy > - and I've heard my coworkers say these things while at > lunch - > - not updating the information - obviously hasn't changed the > notes, refuses to provide real world examples, continues to > throw up overhead slide after overhead slide > - not responsive to how today's students learn - these students > want to do something with the information, not just listen, > read, and then test > - seeming to enjoy throwing difficult assignments to students > with very little warning and no examples - these students ALWAYS > want examples > - treating the students as if they should be stamping out > projects and essays and reports in a factory - no flexibility > for due dates, methods of presentation. For example, if a > student doesn't have the draft by Tuesday, the student earns an > automatic F for the entire assignment with no make up > opportunity - 2 of my coworkers do this frequently and believe > they are weeding out the poor students. > > I've been accused by some of my younger colleagues of being > an "easy A." I simply laugh in their faces. My department > chair does the same thing. More of my students make As and Bs, > but that's because I'm using mastery instruction, not easier > assignments. I'm monitoring student performance and tweaking > the course to ensure the most students are learning at the > success level - B and above. > > Students, in my opinion, don't look for "easy" as much as they > look for "reasonable expectation of making a decent grade."

Sep 26, 2010

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Professor Hardy P:arkerson I'm from the time-honored school that believes that the teacher (professor) hasn't taught, unless the studenthad learned. The best teacher is a textbook written by a Harvard, Tulane or Yale professor.

s/HMP

On 9/26/10, bernoulli wrote: > Well said marjory! > > On 9/25/10, marjoryt wrote: >> During my years as a stu...See MoreI'm from the time-honored school that believes that the teacher (professor) hasn't taught, unless the studenthad learned. The best teacher is a textbook written by a Harvard, Tulane or Yale professor.

s/HMP

On 9/26/10, bernoulli wrote: > Well said marjory! > > On 9/25/10, marjoryt wrote: >> During my years as a student and then instructor, I found that >> some professors are not in touch with their students. >> Consequently, miscommunication ensues. Students vastly prefer >> to be in a class learning something - they don't want to just >> sit. However, they grow frantic and flee in large numbers if >> they perceive the instructor is: >> - assuming that only the student in that major should make good >> grades, or that only students who are honor students are worthy >> of making good grades or that athletes can't be good students or >> that a bad grade on a test means the student is lazy >> - and I've heard my coworkers say these things while at >> lunch - >> - not updating the information - obviously hasn't changed the >> notes, refuses to provide real world examples, continues to >> throw up overhead slide after overhead slide >> - not responsive to how today's students learn - these students >> want to do something with the information, not just listen, >> read, and then test >> - seeming to enjoy throwing difficult assignments to students >> with very little warning and no examples - these students ALWAYS >> want examples >> - treating the students as if they should be stamping out >> projects and essays and reports in a factory - no flexibility >> for due dates, methods of presentation. For example, if a >> student doesn't have the draft by Tuesday, the student earns an >> automatic F for the entire assignment with no make up >> opportunity - 2 of my coworkers do this frequently and believe >> they are weeding out the poor students. >> >> I've been accused by some of my younger colleagues of being >> an "easy A." I simply laugh in their faces. My department >> chair does the same thing. More of my students make As and Bs, >> but that's because I'm using mastery instruction, not easier >> assignments. I'm monitoring student performance and tweaking >> the course to ensure the most students are learning at the >> success level - B and above. >> >> Students, in my opinion, don't look for "easy" as much as they >> look for "reasonable expectation of making a decent grade."

Nov 28, 2010

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Professor Hardy Parkerson Let me say that again. I'm from the time-honored school that believes that the teacher (professor) hasn't taught, unless the student has learned. The best teacher is a textbook written by a Harvard, Tulane or Yale professor.

s/HMP

On 11/28/10, Professor Hardy P:arkerson wrote: > I'm from the time-honored > school that belie...See MoreLet me say that again. I'm from the time-honored school that believes that the teacher (professor) hasn't taught, unless the student has learned. The best teacher is a textbook written by a Harvard, Tulane or Yale professor.

s/HMP

On 11/28/10, Professor Hardy P:arkerson wrote: > I'm from the time-honored > school that believes that > the teacher (professor) hasn't > taught, unless the studenthad > learned. The best teacher is > a textbook written by a Harvard, > Tulane or Yale professor. > > s/HMP > > > On 9/26/10, bernoulli wrote: >> Well said marjory! >> >> On 9/25/10, marjoryt wrote: >>> During my years as a student and then instructor, I found that >>> some professors are not in touch with their students. >>> Consequently, miscommunication ensues. Students vastly prefer >>> to be in a class learning something - they don't want to just >>> sit. However, they grow frantic and flee in large numbers if >>> they perceive the instructor is: >>> - assuming that only the student in that major should make good >>> grades, or that only students who are honor students are worthy >>> of making good grades or that athletes can't be good students or >>> that a bad grade on a test means the student is lazy >>> - and I've heard my coworkers say these things while at >>> lunch - >>> - not updating the information - obviously hasn't changed the >>> notes, refuses to provide real world examples, continues to >>> throw up overhead slide after overhead slide >>> - not responsive to how today's students learn - these students >>> want to do something with the information, not just listen, >>> read, and then test >>> - seeming to enjoy throwing difficult assignments to students >>> with very little warning and no examples - these students ALWAYS >>> want examples >>> - treating the students as if they should be stamping out >>> projects and essays and reports in a factory - no flexibility >>> for due dates, methods of presentation. For example, if a >>> student doesn't have the draft by Tuesday, the student earns an >>> automatic F for the entire assignment with no make up >>> opportunity - 2 of my coworkers do this frequently and believe >>> they are weeding out the poor students. >>> >>> I've been accused by some of my younger colleagues of being >>> an "easy A." I simply laugh in their faces. My department >>> chair does the same thing. More of my students make As and Bs, >>> but that's because I'm using mastery instruction, not easier >>> assignments. I'm monitoring student performance and tweaking >>> the course to ensure the most students are learning at the >>> success level - B and above. >>> >>> Students, in my opinion, don't look for "easy" as much as they >>> look for "reasonable expectation of making a decent grade."

Nov 28, 2010

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