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Wilson Reading System, anyone have firsthand info?

by Kelly Z

May 28, 2011

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my firsthand experience On 5/28/11, Kelly Z wrote: > Thanks

It's been all the rage for a while - I find remedial reading programs are very faddish - one is put forward, everybody raves about it and then it doesn't seem to have really made much of a difference or solved any kids' problems with reading and it goes away and... the next new remedial reading is inv...See More

May 29, 2011

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Christine Wilson takes kids back to the very beginning to teach accurate decoding. It really could take at least 2 years to see results. Each step teaches certain syllables, so students might learn to read multisyllable words with short vowels early on, but still not be able to read words with vowels teams like "float" or "coin" or vowel-consonant-e like "st...See More

May 29, 2011

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Kelly Z I'm teaching MS SS 7th and 8th grade. I've had so many students that are unable to read and keep up (non-sped identified students) this past year, after digging up records and demanding testing, I had 5 students that were reading at about 2nd grade level.

This system wouldn't work for my 7th and 8th graders. Hopefully these kids can get id...See MoreI'm teaching MS SS 7th and 8th grade. I've had so many students that are unable to read and keep up (non-sped identified students) this past year, after digging up records and demanding testing, I had 5 students that were reading at about 2nd grade level.

This system wouldn't work for my 7th and 8th graders. Hopefully these kids can get identified before they reach MS.

It makes me mad and sad.

I read in a local newspaper that there is a tutor that is going to offer Wilson programs starting in the Fall. Of course, it doesn't help my students now, plus she is in a different town and county from my school, but in the same town where I live. I pleaded all year with sped and reading about these kids. Some parents wouldn't agree to testing, and once again, kids take the punch because of parental pride. Some parents just didn't think it was an issue, due to cultural and language differences.

Thanks for the information.

On 5/29/11, Christine wrote: > Wilson takes kids back to the very beginning to teach accurate > decoding. It really could take at least 2 years to see > results. Each step teaches certain syllables, so students might > learn to read multisyllable words with short vowels early on, > but still not be able to read words with vowels teams > like "float" or "coin" or vowel-consonant-e like "stripe." > Because those are one syllable words, a child will still > struggle to read "harder" books because the words are not > controlled according to the sequence Wilson introduces them. In > other words, early on there will still be so many words a child > hasn't learned to decode yet. So I can understand how someone > could say "it all comes together" after a while. > > I really can't believe any student could go through Wilson > instruction (if it is really being done with fidelity, not > piecemeal) and say it doesn't help at all. Perhaps if that is > the case, the reading problem is not with decoding, but maybe > comprehension or vocabulary or something else. But if taught > like it should be it definitely teaches decoding and spelling. > Wilson is not for everyone, it is really for instruction at the > word level for spelling and decoding, not comprehension problems. > > Christine > >> >> I put my son in Wilson - what was interesting right from the >> get-go is that we were told unless he stayed in it for two >> years, we wouldn't see a difference. Huh? Shouldn't tutoring >> in any subject result in gradual improvement? >>

May 29, 2011

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Reading teacher I find it frustrating as a reading specialist that there seems to be a one size fits all mentally regarding remediation. Read Naturally is a great program for fluency, but not phonics. Wilson is a great program for decoding, but not comprehension. Visualizing Verbalizing is a great program for comprehension, but does nothing for a child who needs h...See MoreI find it frustrating as a reading specialist that there seems to be a one size fits all mentally regarding remediation. Read Naturally is a great program for fluency, but not phonics. Wilson is a great program for decoding, but not comprehension. Visualizing Verbalizing is a great program for comprehension, but does nothing for a child who needs help decoding.

I have a lot of parents come to me demanding a particular program because they read about it on a chatboard or it worked for their friend's child, but if it does not address what the child needs, it's not the right program. Very similar to recommending insulin because it has great results...it has great results for patients who have diabetes, but it's of no use to someone who has appendicitis. The treatment is completely different!

Wilson is an excellent program for children who need help decoding. It's not the fastest way to learn to read, but for children with dyslexia, it's very effective and well regarded.

There is a classroom program published by Wilson called "Fundations" that addresses letter/sound correspondence, phonemic awareness and blending. However, I don't think it's a stand-alone program. A complete literacy program should include lots of good children's literature.

On 5/29/11, my firsthand experience wrote: > On 5/28/11, Kelly Z wrote: >> Thanks > > > It's been all the rage for a while - I find remedial reading > programs are very faddish - one is put forward, everybody > raves about it and then it doesn't seem to have really made > much of a difference or solved any kids' problems with > reading and it goes away and... the next new remedial reading > is invented by somebody, packaged and sold and it becomes the > new rage - for a while. > > I put my son in Wilson - what was interesting right from the > get-go is that we were told unless he stayed in it for two > years, we wouldn't see a difference. Huh? Shouldn't tutoring > in any subject result in gradual improvement? > > "Well, no," they said, "It all comes together at the end." > Huh? So you commit to two years of time and lots of money. > Anyway, we hung in for a year and then my son turned to me > and said, "This isn't making any difference. I do everything > they tell me to do and try very hard but I don't read any > different than I ever did, Mom." > > Maybe there are people out there who had a different > experience but that was ours and my own school had the same > experience. Because it was the rage, we sent a teacher to be > trained in Wilson and she came back and started to tutor all > our weak readers in the Wilson method and for years. None of > us saw any of those kids improve in their reading. >

May 31, 2011

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Jo Excellent post, Reading teacher. You are right in that BY ANY PERSON/GROUP utilizing 1 program to fix all problems is never going to work. However, one must be very careful when looking at the deficit areas of a student to not assume skills are present when they are not. This happens more often when a student is a bit older. The student has compens...See MoreExcellent post, Reading teacher. You are right in that BY ANY PERSON/GROUP utilizing 1 program to fix all problems is never going to work. However, one must be very careful when looking at the deficit areas of a student to not assume skills are present when they are not. This happens more often when a student is a bit older. The student has compensated in various ways and even on assessments can skew the results if the right assessments are not given. Finding the right programs is tricky. But the fact still remains, if you need multiple programs you must keep with intensity and fidelity on EACH of the programs. Giving Wilson half time so you can use time on V/V isn't going to produce results with either. Using Read Naturally when a child can't decode, won't work either.

Great post, Reading teacher. Since reading is fundamental to all academic classes, I wish schools would come up with a plan to really address those that need intensive and sometimes multiple interventions. All but a very small percentage of students can learn to read. It is a shame so many fail to do so at an adequate level jeapordizing their entire academic career and place them in a position to struggle for the rest of their lives.

On 5/31/11, Reading teacher wrote: > I find it frustrating as a reading specialist that there seems to > be a one size fits all mentally regarding remediation. Read > Naturally is a great program for fluency, but not phonics. Wilson > is a great program for decoding, but not comprehension. > Visualizing Verbalizing is a great program for comprehension, but > does nothing for a child who needs help decoding. > > I have a lot of parents come to me demanding a particular program > because they read about it on a chatboard or it worked for their > friend's child, but if it does not address what the child needs, > it's not the right program. Very similar to recommending insulin > because it has great results...it has great results for patients > who have diabetes, but it's of no use to someone who has > appendicitis. The treatment is completely different! > > Wilson is an excellent program for children who need help > decoding. It's not the fastest way to learn to read, but for > children with dyslexia, it's very effective and well regarded. > > There is a classroom program published by Wilson called > "Fundations" that addresses letter/sound correspondence, phonemic > awareness and blending. However, I don't think it's a stand-alone > program. A complete literacy program should include lots of good > children's literature. > > > On 5/29/11, my firsthand experience wrote: >> On 5/28/11, Kelly Z wrote: >>> Thanks >> >> >> It's been all the rage for a while - I find remedial reading >> programs are very faddish - one is put forward, everybody >> raves about it and then it doesn't seem to have really made >> much of a difference or solved any kids' problems with >> reading and it goes away and... the next new remedial reading >> is invented by somebody, packaged and sold and it becomes the >> new rage - for a while. >> >> I put my son in Wilson - what was interesting right from the >> get-go is that we were told unless he stayed in it for two >> years, we wouldn't see a difference. Huh? Shouldn't tutoring >> in any subject result in gradual improvement? >> >> "Well, no," they said, "It all comes together at the end." >> Huh? So you commit to two years of time and lots of money. >> Anyway, we hung in for a year and then my son turned to me >> and said, "This isn't making any difference. I do everything >> they tell me to do and try very hard but I don't read any >> different than I ever did, Mom." >> >> Maybe there are people out there who had a different >> experience but that was ours and my own school had the same >> experience. Because it was the rage, we sent a teacher to be >> trained in Wilson and she came back and started to tutor all >> our weak readers in the Wilson method and for years. None of >> us saw any of those kids improve in their reading. >>

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