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Subjunctive or indicative with emotion and cuando

by ProfeJulie

Feb 22, 2016

Hola. My colleague and I are wrestling with the translation of a couple of sentences. We have both consulted numerous resources, but can't locate a satisfactory answer or explanation. How would you translate: I am happy that you are here. Would it be estás or estés? Also, what is the difference in usage between: It annoys me that you chew gum. And - It annoys me when you chew gum? We know the rules of the subjunctive, but when you have an emotion (subjunctive) AND cuando, which governs the dependent clause? Thanks so much for your help with this!

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Daniel Hanson I think the issue here is if "cuando" would even be used in this context. Personally, there are times when I think "que" would suffice in Spanish.

Example from WordReference: Me molesta mucho que me hablen así. = It really annoys me or irritates me when they talk to me like that.

Another exa...See MoreI think the issue here is if "cuando" would even be used in this context. Personally, there are times when I think "que" would suffice in Spanish.

Example from WordReference: Me molesta mucho que me hablen así. = It really annoys me or irritates me when they talk to me like that.

Another example: Le molestó que no lo invitárais a la fiesta. = It hurt him that you guys didn't invite him to the party. Notice here we could easily say in English "It hurt him when you guys didn't invite him to the party". I cannot see the use of "cuando" here as being correct in this sentence.

Notice that we can say: ¿Le molesta que abra la ventana? or ¿Le molesta si abro la ventana?, both options translate to "Do you mind if I open the window?".

Notice this entry:

Siempre se alegra cuando la visitamos = She is always happy or pleased when we go and visit her. Here the "cuando la visitamos" is part of a cause-and-effect relationship (when this happens, then that happens). Here is another entry that shows this "cause-and-effect" scenario:

Cuando le gusta un tema, se emociona y no para de hablar = When she is interested in a subject, she gets carried away and doesn't stop talking. Se emocionó cuando la vio salir del quirófano = He got excited when he saw her come out of the operating room.

This is something different than in the dependent clauses you and your colleague are analyzing, I think.

For your first question, I would say, "Me alegro de que hayas venido" o "Me alegra que estés aquí". I do not see any need for the use of "cuando" here. The subjunctive and the conjunction "que" are required here.

In English, when we say, "It annoys me or bugs me when you chew gum", we are referring to a general situation. It is not something that is necessarily happening right now at the present time. The statement "It annoys me or bugs me that you chew gum" refers to the speaker hates that fact that the other person has the habit of chewing gum. And to add to this, we could say, "Your gum chewing right now is bugging me". All of these meanings are conveyed with the simple: Me fastidia/molesta que mastiques chicle.

Do these examples help?

On 2/22/16, ProfeJulie wrote: > Hola. My colleague and I are wrestling with the > translation of a couple of sentences. We have both > consulted numerous resources, but can't locate a > satisfactory answer or explanation. > How would you translate: I am happy that you are > here. Would it be estás or estés? > Also, what is the difference in usage between: It > annoys me that you chew gum. And - It annoys me > when you chew gum? > We know the rules of the subjunctive, but when you > have an emotion (subjunctive) AND cuando, which > governs the dependent clause?

Feb 22, 2016

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ProfeJulie Thanks, Daniel! That was a great explanation.

On 2/22/16, Daniel Hanson wrote: > I think the issue here is if "cuando" would even be used in > this context. Personally, there are times when I think "que" > would suffice in Spanish. > > Example from WordReference: Me molesta mucho que me hablen &g...See MoreThanks, Daniel! That was a great explanation.

On 2/22/16, Daniel Hanson wrote: > I think the issue here is if "cuando" would even be used in > this context. Personally, there are times when I think "que" > would suffice in Spanish. > > Example from WordReference: Me molesta mucho que me hablen > así. = It really annoys me or irritates me when they talk > to me like that. > > Another example: Le molestó que no lo invitárais a la > fiesta. = It hurt him that you guys didn't invite him to > the party. > Notice here we could easily say in English "It hurt him when > you guys didn't invite him to the party". I cannot see the > use of "cuando" here as being correct in this sentence. > > Notice that we can say: ¿Le molesta que abra la ventana? > or ¿Le molesta si abro la ventana?, both options > translate to "Do you mind if I open the window?". > > Notice this entry: > > Siempre se alegra cuando la visitamos = She is always > happy or pleased when we go and visit her. Here the "cuando > la visitamos" is part of a cause-and-effect relationship > (when this happens, then that happens). Here is another entry > that shows this "cause-and-effect" scenario: > > Cuando le gusta un tema, se emociona y no para de > hablar = When she is interested in a subject, she gets > carried away and doesn't stop talking. > Se emocionó cuando la vio salir del quirófano = He got > excited when he saw her come out of the operating room. > > This is something different than in the dependent clauses you > and your colleague are analyzing, I think. > > For your first question, I would say, "Me alegro de que hayas > venido" o "Me alegra que estés aquí". I do not see any need > for the use of "cuando" here. The subjunctive and the > conjunction "que" are required here. > > In English, when we say, "It annoys me or bugs me when you > chew gum", we are referring to a general situation. It is not > something that is necessarily happening right now at the > present time. The statement "It annoys me or bugs me that you > chew gum" refers to the speaker hates that fact that the > other person has the habit of chewing gum. And to add to > this, we could say, "Your gum chewing right now is bugging > me". All of these meanings are conveyed with the simple: > Me fastidia/molesta que mastiques chicle. > > Do these examples help? > > On 2/22/16, ProfeJulie wrote: >> Hola. My colleague and I are wrestling with the >> translation of a couple of sentences. We have both >> consulted numerous resources, but can't locate a >> satisfactory answer or explanation. >> How would you translate: I am happy that you are >> here. Would it be estás or estés? >> Also, what is the difference in usage between: It >> annoys me that you chew gum. And - It annoys me >> when you chew gum? >> We know the rules of the subjunctive, but when you >> have an emotion (subjunctive) AND cuando, which >> governs the dependent clause?

Feb 23, 2016

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ProfeJulie Daniel (or anyone else),

Now I find myself asking, which do I use if I want to say, "I am sad because my dog died." I know that it is a fact that the dog died, but does emotion also affect the verb 'died'? Does porque always take the indicative? I have read that emotions are *always* followed by subjunctive, but that porque is *a...See MoreDaniel (or anyone else),

Now I find myself asking, which do I use if I want to say, "I am sad because my dog died." I know that it is a fact that the dog died, but does emotion also affect the verb 'died'? Does porque always take the indicative? I have read that emotions are *always* followed by subjunctive, but that porque is *always* followed by the indicative. Thanks for your help!

ProfeJulie

On 2/22/16, Daniel Hanson wrote: > I think the issue here is if "cuando" would even be used in > this context. Personally, there are times when I think "que" > would suffice in Spanish. > > Example from WordReference: Me molesta mucho que me hablen > así. = It really annoys me or irritates me when they talk > to me like that. > > Another example: Le molestó que no lo invitárais a la > fiesta. = It hurt him that you guys didn't invite him to > the party. > Notice here we could easily say in English "It hurt him when > you guys didn't invite him to the party". I cannot see the > use of "cuando" here as being correct in this sentence. > > Notice that we can say: ¿Le molesta que abra la ventana? > or ¿Le molesta si abro la ventana?, both options > translate to "Do you mind if I open the window?". > > Notice this entry: > > Siempre se alegra cuando la visitamos = She is always > happy or pleased when we go and visit her. Here the "cuando > la visitamos" is part of a cause-and-effect relationship > (when this happens, then that happens). Here is another entry > that shows this "cause-and-effect" scenario: > > Cuando le gusta un tema, se emociona y no para de > hablar = When she is interested in a subject, she gets > carried away and doesn't stop talking. > Se emocionó cuando la vio salir del quirófano = He got > excited when he saw her come out of the operating room. > > This is something different than in the dependent clauses you > and your colleague are analyzing, I think. > > For your first question, I would say, "Me alegro de que hayas > venido" o "Me alegra que estés aquí". I do not see any need > for the use of "cuando" here. The subjunctive and the > conjunction "que" are required here. > > In English, when we say, "It annoys me or bugs me when you > chew gum", we are referring to a general situation. It is not > something that is necessarily happening right now at the > present time. The statement "It annoys me or bugs me that you > chew gum" refers to the speaker hates that fact that the > other person has the habit of chewing gum. And to add to > this, we could say, "Your gum chewing right now is bugging > me". All of these meanings are conveyed with the simple: > Me fastidia/molesta que mastiques chicle. > > Do these examples help? > > On 2/22/16, ProfeJulie wrote: >> Hola. My colleague and I are wrestling with the >> translation of a couple of sentences. We have both >> consulted numerous resources, but can't locate a >> satisfactory answer or explanation. >> How would you translate: I am happy that you are >> here. Would it be estás or estés? >> Also, what is the difference in usage between: It >> annoys me that you chew gum. And - It annoys me >> when you chew gum? >> We know the rules of the subjunctive, but when you >> have an emotion (subjunctive) AND cuando, which >> governs the dependent clause?

Mar 2, 2016

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Daniel Hanson You can say:

1.) Estoy triste porque se me ha muerto mi perro. 2.) Me entristece que se me haya muerto mi perro.

The first sentence does not require the subjunctive. You are simply stating that you are sad and the reason for your sadness is because your dog died. In the second sentence the subjunctive is required with the verb &qu...See More

Mar 3, 2016

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