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Should students hold jobs?

by Paul Diedrich

Mar 21, 2011

Hi,

I'm a student in a post bac teacher certification program. I'm currently taking a course in which I need to interview two high school teachers regarding their feelings about adolescents holding part time jobs while in school. Here's the questions. Please feel free to respond and to expand with any observations you have. Thanks in advance for the help!

Find out how teachers feel about the value of work and leisure in the development of adolescents. Does working affect performance in the classroom? In what way? What types of leisure activities do they observe students participating in?

Sara On 3/21/11, Paul Diedrich wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a student in a post bac teacher certification program. > I'm currently taking a course in which I need to interview > two high school teachers regarding their feelings about > adolescents holding part time jobs while in school. Here's > the questions. Please feel free to respond an...See MoreOn 3/21/11, Paul Diedrich wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a student in a post bac teacher certification program. > I'm currently taking a course in which I need to interview > two high school teachers regarding their feelings about > adolescents holding part time jobs while in school. Here's > the questions. Please feel free to respond and to expand > with any observations you have. Thanks in advance for the > help! > > Find out how teachers feel about the value of work and > leisure in the development of adolescents. Does working > affect performance in the classroom?

Why would we look at the value of work in such a narrow way?? We look at work as it impacts on students' performance in the classroom? That narrow focus makes no sense to me. Work teaches lessons that cannot be learned in the classroom no matter how often or how much we pretend the classroom to be a sample of the real world. School is not the real world though it loves to purport to be. Work is the real world. Any student with a job is learning more about the real world than can possibly be taught in school. And that student is learning valuable lessons because work is what makes us our livings. Unless we're independently wealthy and few are, we all have to make a living. Getting your hands into the real world, having a part-time job is what every single student should be doing. In fact, in my better world, I'd shorten the school day and have every student doing something practical every day. Paid employment or volunteer work whatever - we call school 'work' but it really isn't and it can't ever be. Unless you're teaching of course.

As to leisure, the way the school day is constructed makes no sense. We start the school day when it's still dark outside and leave them go around 2 - and give them worksheets to do in the evening as if that's a meaningful use of time. Leisure is dangerous for adolescents - some yes but too much is dangerous and they have too much. Back in the day, teenagers had chores but there are few chores in the urban or suburban home and there's junk television and boredom. Idle kids at the age when they're comfortable taking risks can lead to trouble.

In what way? What > types of leisure activities do they observe students > participating in?

Smoking. Teenage pregnancies. I don't see them building homes for Habitat for Humanity or stocking the shelves in a food bank.

Mar 26, 2011

Paul Diedrich Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much. For the assignment, I need to attribute the opinions to a specific teacher. I don't need personal information but can you let me know what grade and subject you teach and for how long you've been teaching? Thanks again, Paul

On 3/26/11, Sara wrote: > On 3/21/11, Paul Diedrich wrot...See MoreThank you for your response. I appreciate it very much. For the assignment, I need to attribute the opinions to a specific teacher. I don't need personal information but can you let me know what grade and subject you teach and for how long you've been teaching? Thanks again, Paul

On 3/26/11, Sara wrote: > On 3/21/11, Paul Diedrich wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm a student in a post bac teacher certification program. >> I'm currently taking a course in which I need to interview >> two high school teachers regarding their feelings about >> adolescents holding part time jobs while in school. Here's >> the questions. Please feel free to respond and to expand >> with any observations you have. Thanks in advance for the >> help! >> >> Find out how teachers feel about the value of work and >> leisure in the development of adolescents. Does working >> affect performance in the classroom? > > Why would we look at the value of work in such a narrow way?? > We look at work as it impacts on students' performance in the > classroom? That narrow focus makes no sense to me. Work > teaches lessons that cannot be learned in the classroom no > matter how often or how much we pretend the classroom to be a > sample of the real world. School is not the real world though > it loves to purport to be. > Work is the real world. Any student with a job is learning > more about the real world than can possibly be taught in > school. And that student is learning valuable lessons because > work is what makes us our livings. Unless we're independently > wealthy and few are, we all have to make a living. Getting > your hands into the real world, having a part-time job is what > every single student should be doing. In fact, in my better > world, I'd shorten the school day and have every student doing > something practical every day. Paid employment or volunteer > work whatever - we call school 'work' but it really isn't and > it can't ever be. > Unless you're teaching of course. > > As to leisure, the way the school day is constructed makes no > sense. We start the school day when it's still dark outside > and leave them go around 2 - and give them worksheets to do in > the evening as if that's a meaningful use of time. Leisure is > dangerous for adolescents - some yes but too much is dangerous > and they have too much. Back in the day, teenagers had chores > but there are few chores in the urban or suburban home and > there's junk television and boredom. Idle kids at the age when > they're comfortable taking risks can lead to trouble. > > In what way? What >> types of leisure activities do they observe students >> participating in? > > Smoking. Teenage pregnancies. I don't see them building homes > for Habitat for Humanity or stocking the shelves in a food > bank.

Mar 27, 2011

Sara On 3/27/11, Paul Diedrich wrote: > Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much. For the > assignment, I need to attribute the opinions to a specific > teacher. I don't need personal information but can you let me > know what grade and subject you teach and for how long you've > been teaching? Thanks again, Paul

I...See MoreOn 3/27/11, Paul Diedrich wrote: > Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much. For the > assignment, I need to attribute the opinions to a specific > teacher. I don't need personal information but can you let me > know what grade and subject you teach and for how long you've > been teaching? Thanks again, Paul

I've been teaching for over 25 years and I've taught literally every grade but now teach mostly 10th English and history.

> > On 3/26/11, Sara wrote: >> On 3/21/11, Paul Diedrich wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm a student in a post bac teacher certification program. >>> I'm currently taking a course in which I need to interview >>> two high school teachers regarding their feelings about >>> adolescents holding part time jobs while in school. Here's >>> the questions. Please feel free to respond and to expand >>> with any observations you have. Thanks in advance for the >>> help! >>> >>> Find out how teachers feel about the value of work and >>> leisure in the development of adolescents. Does working >>> affect performance in the classroom? >> >> Why would we look at the value of work in such a narrow way?? >> We look at work as it impacts on students' performance in the >> classroom? That narrow focus makes no sense to me. Work >> teaches lessons that cannot be learned in the classroom no >> matter how often or how much we pretend the classroom to be a >> sample of the real world. School is not the real world though >> it loves to purport to be. >> Work is the real world. Any student with a job is learning >> more about the real world than can possibly be taught in >> school. And that student is learning valuable lessons because >> work is what makes us our livings. Unless we're independently >> wealthy and few are, we all have to make a living. Getting >> your hands into the real world, having a part-time job is what >> every single student should be doing. In fact, in my better >> world, I'd shorten the school day and have every student doing >> something practical every day. Paid employment or volunteer >> work whatever - we call school 'work' but it really isn't and >> it can't ever be. >> Unless you're teaching of course. >> >> As to leisure, the way the school day is constructed makes no >> sense. We start the school day when it's still dark outside >> and leave them go around 2 - and give them worksheets to do in >> the evening as if that's a meaningful use of time. Leisure is >> dangerous for adolescents - some yes but too much is dangerous >> and they have too much. Back in the day, teenagers had chores >> but there are few chores in the urban or suburban home and >> there's junk television and boredom. Idle kids at the age when >> they're comfortable taking risks can lead to trouble. >> >> In what way? What >>> types of leisure activities do they observe students >>> participating in? >> >> Smoking. Teenage pregnancies. I don't see them building homes >> for Habitat for Humanity or stocking the shelves in a food >> bank.

Mar 28, 2011

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