Now this situation has made me anxious everytime I circulate the room and check on students. Is something else going to come up. I only sub middle and high school.
I'm thinking of talking to the principial of this school to clear my name. Is this a good idea?
> On 10/16/14, BJ wrote: >> To the Original Poster. I presume it was in an 8th or 9th >> grade class. They are hypersexual at this age. I remember >> going over conjunctions, > and >> there would be giggles everytime I said But. To avert >> another situation like this, I would announce in a loud >> voice "Boys > and >> Girls, I'm coming around to check your work." >> >> I don't think a female substitute would be accused of >> this, > which >> is ironic because a lot of these school predators are >> women. >> >> On 10/14/14, Rosy? wrote: >>> >>> >>> That's ok. :):) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/14/14, Honestly, I don't know why >>> >>>> you're wishing me luck.
On 9/22/14, Marie wrote: > How do you handle them? I have one who was horrible today , > talked to me so rude. I was new to the school so I asked for > a map, she said in a nasty voice " we have signs all over > the building." we dont have time to make copies for subs." > I'm thinking of e-mailing the principal about her, but I > don't want to get a bad reputation as someone who complains > about every little thing. > I just want some courtesy when I walk in the door.
statement like that did not go unnoticed. In my district, saying anything remotely similar to that would be cause for never getting to darken the door of that school again.
Good luck to you and I hope this is not the case but knowing how the secretaries are as a group.......I wouldn't bet on it.
Ze will agree with me. He has more of the same experiences with secretaries that I have.
On 10/02/14, Retired Teacher wrote:
> I retired a few years ago and wish that, on my final day at
> school, I would have told off the two secretaries in my
> building! Honestly, I don't know who they thought they
> were! Never said good morning or goodnight. I would have to
> stand in front of the counter (which they sat behind) for at
> least one to two minutes before they would look up and
> acknowledge me. Also, if they were talking to each other or
> to someone else in the room about non school-related things I
> would have to wait until they were completely finished with
> their discussion before they gave me any attention. If I
> asked them for something they acted like I wanted blood from
> them! I currently substitute in another building and lo and
> behold, one of them is now working there. I arrived the
> other day and she didn't even look up to greet me. When I
> asked her if the teacher's room was unlocked she shrugged. I
> said, loud enough for the whole room to hear me, "Some things
> never change". Honestly, they must be sleeping with someone
> on the Board of Education in order to keep their jobs!
I happen to be a "regular" teacher. I know of brilliant teachers who were let go and who are experts in the field I teach (HS Math). I also know of other tenured teachers who couldn't pass an AP Calc exam and actually have to sit in on one being taught so as to "re" learn the subject.
When we complain, it's not just due to self pity; it's also due to watching others get burned. So get off your high horse, and stop complaining about what some posters say. And if you don't like what you read, there are other boards to visit!
I'm certified in Secondary Grades 7-12 Math, with a BA in math, four actuarial exams passed, and several graduate credits in math. Two years ago, when I worked as a sub, I was in an Algebra 2 Class with a TA who always has to prove to the world that she can be a teacher (she is not). She literally grabbed lesson plans from me, and decided to teach the class.
I was relegated to sitting in my seat, and not being allowed to say anything. When a student asked a question that she couldn't answer, I grinned for the rest of the period.
To answer your question, co-teachers are usually SPED teachers who are there to work with some of the students.
You can be an M.D. in a biology class and I bet some TA's would insist on "teaching" instead of you. Egos at work, I guess.
On 9/29/14, Stacey wrote: > What does that mean? Does it mean anything? > > I have had a few occasions where I was the regular teacher and > had a co-teacher Most times the co-teacher takes over because > apparently I can't be trusted with material Well, why did I > take this job? I took this job because I'm certified to teach > the material, which some of you don't seem to know or explain > that well. Friday, I felt totally marginalized. She didn't > even acknowledge me, introduce me to the students. I just > stood against the wall feeling so angry. > >
Many things can go right, but at the same time many things can go wrong.
On one hand, you can be given assistance and you can be told about what the regular teacher does so you can copy that teacher's style to the best of your ability.
One the other hand, these same adults are what I call the informers-pretty much like being under around the clock surveillance, Stasi or NKVD style. They will readily report anything you do, whether it's good or bad (most likely the latter, whether it's true or overblown). Since that adult has much more clout and connection to the regular teacher and is there every working day in that room, s/he will be most likely believed and it will be his or her word against yours (as you know, your word is worth zero).
When at a school site, never forget these five words: your word is worth zero. Let these words guide your every action and word and you will lessen your chances of messing up. There is no distinction between a mistake and an action on purpose as far as regular teachers or admins are concerened as far as dealing with a sub.
The paras/parents/vols/Stasi wannabes, have the potential to blow everything out of proportion and report it like this to the regular teacher. For example, if the class was a little talkative but very productive, don't be surprised if the Stasi wannabe tells the regular teacher that the kids were out of control and did not focus on the activities and, therefore, the sub was not good with classroom management.
Don't be suprised if the adult never recognizes you or acknowledges you at all (most likely outcome).
You can also encounter what I call the siren (as in the mythical creature) Yes, there will be adults in the room who will readily smile at you and give you a nice "Hi, how are you doing?" routine, and will even tell you that they're there if you need them with anything.
It's best if you never let your guard down even with this kind of co-teacher/para/volunteer. They can be among the most treacherous. At least you know where you stand with the indifferent or rude adult, but withe the smiling and nice one it can be treacherous. They will mislead you into believing that you can indeed ask for help and all that, but if you do and they report to the teacher that you needed help, guess what? That can be seen as being incompetent with classroom management, with the traditional ban that will be given to the substitute.
Hence the name "sirens." Like a siren, they will lure you into a false sense of security and toward a path of ruin (in this case, sub career damage) if you let it happen.
Another situation in which you will never win is when a para takes over your role. In this case, as it has been explained in other posts, the para will readily take the lesson plan from you and will play teacher for the remainder of the time s/he is there. You won't be able to do anything about it (without facing a ban from the site). In fact, brace for the likely ban that will follow. Why?
1) If you tell anything to the para in terms of you being supposed to teach the lesson-however gently and politely-you just earned yourself an enemy in the site. Don't be surprised if the para reports your "impertinent" behavior to the principal. Never forget these five words: Your word is worth zero. You can be accused for refusing to use the available professional resources (i.e. the para) and for being rude. You have zero idea regarding how this para relates to the school. Chances are that this para is like a god/goddess and is untouchable, and those who dare correct her/him will be dealt with swiftly.
Understand this simple postulate and you will understand many things: As far as substitutes are concerned, accused is a synomym for convicted. Even if you are right, you will still be treated as if you committed the deed and will most likely remain banned.
2). On the other hand, the teacher can instruct you to let the para do the lesson, but this contradicts your function as a substitute teacher. If you take your role as the certificated teacher, you run the risk of being written up by the teacher for not following directions. But if a principal enters your room and sees the para doing the lesson, s/he will most likely be unhappy with this. Never mind that you are following plans. What counts is what the principal thinks. If the sky is blue but she says it's yellow, then the sky is yellow. Period. The regular teacher could get in trouble for instructing you to let the para teach, but don't be surprised if the teacher finds any other excuse (real or most likey imagined) to report you. You are banned anyways no matter what. Nice usage of the six pillars of character, no?
3) Or the Stasi wannabe will be watching your every move and will report your every mistake if you indeed teach the lesson. And I mean ANY mistake, whether in lesson delivery or any errors you might make. Remember another postulate: we are not allowed to make mistakes.
Yes, I know some of you will find this reading depressing, negative, and awful. But as you know, forewarned is forearmed. I report what I have experienced and seen in almost 18 years of subbing in four districts-and they are all the same in terms of their standard operating procedures regarding substitutes.
Anyway, all of the above goes millionfold when you cover ANY special ed class, where the danger for students and adults being physically hurt is highly increased. You will be working with several informers, I mean, professionals, and each of them has their own idea of what a good sub is. Fail to please any of them and face the consequences. If anything goes wrong (even if it is a student who is totally uncapable of controlling his or her own rage and lashes out at everyone, guess who is at fault? Yours truly, of course. Remember, we are not allowed to make mistakes.
On the other hand, the rate of $125 is more than one receives here (Eastern Iowa) for subbing. I'd take it! The long-term sub rate is substantially more than the long-term rate here as well. There is around a $110 difference, I believe.
On 9/20/14, K wrote: > That is interesting, isn't it? > > On the other hand, the rate of $125 is more than one receives > here (Eastern Iowa) for subbing. I'd take it! The long-term > sub rate is substantially more than the long-term rate here > as well. There is around a $110 difference, I believe.
Worked my first day today (school here only started on Tuesday) and it was a great day. One of my "regular" schools but a lot of new students. Behaviour was good, kids were friendly and polite. Hope this is a sign of things to come!
The last time I LT Subbed was two years ago...See MoreI took a long term sub job for 90 dollars a day. The rate of pay is supposed to go to $200 AFTER 40 days. But: unlike most districts I know, the difference between $90 and $200 is NOT reimbursed for the first 40 days.
I'm being buried in paperwork, meetings, open house, etc., for 90/day?
The last time I LT Subbed was two years ago. I got paid $240 daily from DAY ONE. And I'm not sure if the teacher will come back later this year or not! Oh and I was called on the carpet because my lessons were not "fun" enough for these little kids. Well I AM sorry, but the regular teacher's stuff was all over the classroom, I couldn't find supplies, etc (I don't even have a classroom key), and I'm supposed to have everything running (projectors, etc)?
Would anyone else do this for $90 day? My last years' employer (where I was the building sub) can't wait to have me back. I made $100 daily there, and was out the door two hours earlier each day, and didn't have to lesson plan, go to meetings, etc.
...See MoreOn 9/10/14, Lil Ole Me wrote: > I did not sign a contract where I am now. I work from 7:05 > and normally leave after 4. We have meetings twice a week, > and I have to soon attend open house until 8PM, and Parent > Teacher conferences soon after that. All for $90/day? > > NOTE TO SELF: Get contract first, THEN go to work!
So if you don't have a contract, and if it's so horrible, and if you can go back to your $100/day subbing job ... why don't you?
Right now, there is not much of a need for per diem subs with my previous employer. I will be going back in a few weeks, however.
On 9/12/14, elsiev wrote: > On 9/10/14, Lil Ole Me wrote: >> I did not sign a contract where I am now. I work from 7:05 >> and normally leave after 4. We have meetings twice a > week, >> and I have to soon attend open house until 8PM, and > Parent >> Teacher conferences soon after that. All for $90/day? >> >> NOTE TO SELF: Get contract first, THEN go to work! > > So if you don't have a contract, and if it's so horrible, and if > you can go back to your $100/day subbing job ... why don't > you? > > Not flaming ... just askin'
Sub teachers are never seen eye to eye with regular teachers. Subs are basically baby-sitters for the day and this is how they are treated. No respect for subs in every school.
My lessons were disregarded. My love for teaching was misunderstood. My concern for students was ridiculed. My decisions to make the classroom more enjoyable for students was quickly stepped on by school administrators.
It is the lowest job a person can do within the Department of Education. No retirement benefits. Not enough money. Assigned to the worst group of students at every school.
Regular teachers bad mouth subs all the time. Janitors receive more respect that subs at any grade level. It is truly a stressful job. It is a job that no one should have to do.
So, what did I do? I quit in 2008. I landed a job in another field. I despise my current job but it is far better than subbing. I also privately math tutor to make extra money in my local area. Tutoring is far better than subbing.
Are you stressed out over subbing? Why not look into tutoring? You may like what is waiting on the other side of a decision to walk away from substitute teaching.
John Wood's irreverent notes to his substitute teacher will surely make you laugh, and the student behaviors and personalities he describes might seem all too familiar...