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I have been in a long term sub job since February 2nd. I talked with the teacher today. The do or would not release her back to work. She goes back in 3 weeks. I am running out of subbing days, so hope he releases her then. I am enjoying the job, but really would like to enjoy my retirement, too. Kathy
by Ze Povinho
Apr 11, 2016
As we might have seen, Common Core is in full swing, but to me, it seems kind of strange. I am not the only one who sees this way. In the control line airplane (the planes that are flown in circles, while the pilot holds a handle that is connected to the plane by cables) forum, there is a thread about it. Just wanted to share some of their views. N...See MoreAs we might have seen, Common Core is in full swing, but to me, it seems kind of strange. I am not the only one who sees this way. In the control line airplane (the planes that are flown in circles, while the pilot holds a handle that is connected to the plane by cables) forum, there is a thread about it. Just wanted to share some of their views. Note: the military rankings denote the number of posts from the person.
If you wonder, the forum is called Stunthanger.
1.wwwarbird 2016 supporter Admiral Age: 51
Yeah Robert, this is the "sense" of the people calling the shots these days. We're all in BIG trouble.
2. Tony Drago Commander
It's all BS. 95+&37; of the so called math teachers can not even do common core math. When a student asks a question. Their told to sit down and do their work. Thank you. The useless Department of Education. Talk about wasting tax dollars...
3. Rusty Pieper 2015 Captain
My son is subjected to this BS common core in school. It is much more than what you say here. It is indoctrination. They made my son read "The Catcher in the Rye." It is the most filthy language ever spoken in that book. I complained and was told it is on the approved list of books and I have no choice in the matter. I bought the book for him to use and spent hours going through the book and marking out these F words, MF words, B, AH, etc. Unbelievable.
Then they make kids read stories saying ALL VACCINATIONS are SAFE and people should get them throughout their life to stay healthy.
COMMON CORE will turn common people into common idiots, that is my opinion.
Trump has vowed to end common core immediately. That gets my vote.
4.Brad Smith Commander Age: 58
They teach this common core crap but wont teach them how to keep a check book or about loans and interest rates. I found out my grandson who lives with us could not sign his name they stopped teaching the kids around here how to write cursive, my wife had to get him some books so we could teach him how to sing his name to get his driving permit.
5.Fredvon4 2016 supporter Age: 60
Lost years ago to the ex wife who trashed a lot of y stuff was my dad's 4th grade math primer
If you could complete with competence that one book you could enter any college today
Wish I had it to post some examples taught at a primary school, Marysville Wa circa 1937
first many pages were all devoted to addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication backed up by the flash card method of memorization....no tricks or weird derivative associations
3/4 was all word problems, mostly agricultural. Ideas like crop yield, cost per bushel, transport fees, picking fees, taxes (percentages) and the problem usually required mastery of all math function to derive the correct answer
6. John Park Agricola 2016 supporter Lieutenant Age: 70
To paraphrase Wordsworth: 'O Richard P Feynman, thou shouldst be living at this hour'. Feynman would have had a thing or two to say about this ridiculous over-complication of a basically simple concept. Not that anybody in authority seemed to take any notice of him when, back in the 1980s, he was criticising the almost equally absurd mathematics teaching that was being foisted upon poor suffering pupils (or 'students' as they're being called these days) in the name of progress. It's a wonder anybody knows anything any more. Okay, end of diatribe. I'll go and have a nice lie-down in a darkened room, and hope it makes me feel better.
Regards John
7. Mike Keville AMA Member Age: 75
Prior to this one, was not familiar with "Common Core", although I now think I understand it: a government program designed to "dumb-down" mathematics for today's helpless & hopeless masses including those incapable of making change without the assistance of computerized cash registers.
Either that, or I'm just an old fa#t who was forced to lean math the old fashioned way, i.e. via hard work.
At any rate, "Common Core" sounds like another Obama/Socialist thing.
Wrong? Please enlighten me.
8. Chuck_Smith Commander
Serge,
Well thought out and cogent response and if I understand, CC is at the state and not federal level...
That said, I think Common Core is a symptom of something bigger.
STEM is based on math. Students need to know not only "Plus, minus, times and gazintas" but they need to understand the associative and distributive law. They need to know logarithms. They as you so eloquently expressed, need to do proofs, and I'll add - derivations.
Teaching math is not a "learning how to think course", it's a years-long process in which the student acquires greater and greater skills, each course building upon the next. Sure, not everyone is going to have to tackle the Navier-Stokes equations to graduate, but the ones that do don't learn how to df it in one semester. They are prepared by years (usually about 16) of successive mathematics courses. At that point a student has acquired real skills that are useful for real problem solving.
And just as important, they have learned a method of applying them.
From my admittedly limited knowledge of CC, I don't see any emphasis on developing math skills for real problems. Even at an early age, you can ask a kid "Farmer Jones has 156 eggs, and his egg cartons hold 12 eggs. How many egg cartons does he need for his eggs?" or " The carpenter has 8 boards..."
This puts mathematics into a real-life perspective and teaches kids how to solve real-world problems. When you teach them that way the "light goes off". To me CC seems to be the "everybody gets a trophy" dumbing down of the core of what makes engineers, scientist, machinists,...
I think CC was really more about lobbyists who's printing clients wanted to sell a whole new generation of textbooks to make up for the losses they feel now because they've been replaced by digital.
So IMHO, CC is about greed, plain and simple. It's about money first and our kid's futures second. Add in the religious nutjobs infiltrating politics and waging a war on science and education in this country, and the overall decline in the rational thinking skills (now well demonstrated by current events) of the proletariat and we end up where we are.
I'm in the latter parts of my career, and I get dismayed by what I see lately when we interview. We are literally trying to fill high-tech jobs with applicants who hold two-year degrees and yet can't solve 4th grade math problems. I've seen plants have to switch to digital mics because they can't find people operating machines that can read the barrel on a micrometer. Now, they forget to zero and quality escapes occur. Didn't happen when we had high school grads who could go "Three times 25 plus 18 = 93 thousandths."
Math was taught the way it was (for hundreds of years!) for a reason: It prepared students to enter the workforce with skills. It was giving them a toolkit.
Wow, I must be really getting to be a geezer. I better go check for kids playing on my lawn and playing rock & roll music too loud.
We now return you to the subject of controline model airplanes.
Chuck
9. Brett Buck Admiral Age: 54
Little Jimmy (1955) - "2+2=5" Teacher/father - "Wrong, don't be stupid, you moron (backhand slap)!"
Little Jimmy (2016) - "2+2=5" Teacher/Father - "Oh, look how creative that was! Class, say YAY for Jimmy! (class "Yay!)
Brett
10. Randy Cuberly 2016 supporter Admiral Age: 75
It's easy to see the reason of all this.
Stupid, uneducated people are much easier to control politically!
Just wait! Common Core is only the beginning...many things to come if the political landscape doesn't change drastically!
Anyone remember "Pods". A very bad idea that will come again! No, I'm not talking about "Bo dysnatchers" either.
Randy Cuberly
11. Steve Thompson New Pilot Age: 52
I have been following this topic trying to figure our just why, as an employer in a town with 50,000 college students, we can't find kids that can speak and write coherently or do fairly simple math; what I would consider high school level 30 years ago. I know college professors that insist kids are not as smart as even ten years ago. Something is responsible for that and I sure hope it changes. These kids need to be able to pay for our social security in a few years. (joke)
To be fair, I think Robert must believe in free speech to host this forum where even yahoos like me can post.
_______________________________________________________ Ze
I have a teacher who is always nasty and condescending to me but I rarely sub for her.
I can turn down her jobs but what else can I do?
Scenario: regular teacher, not admn or department head, you never sub for him or her.
what authority does he or she have over you?
I visit another sub board. There is a sub who revels in being a jerk to the students. This time, the teacher told him not to lend out pencils, but left four pens that the students could borrow. He hid everything and lent out nothing (I believe this was high school, maybe middle school). As a retired teacher, I would have been furious if a student d...See MoreI visit another sub board. There is a sub who revels in being a jerk to the students. This time, the teacher told him not to lend out pencils, but left four pens that the students could borrow. He hid everything and lent out nothing (I believe this was high school, maybe middle school). As a retired teacher, I would have been furious if a student didn't have work done because the sub didn't follow my directions. As a sub, I follow the teachers' directions. There ARE some students who do not have materials. After 20 years in the classroom, I know that. And there are others who just don't bring materials to class. But, this guy just loves making life hard for the students and then leaves mountains of sticky notes with names of the "bad" students in hopes that they will be sent to the boot camp school across town. I know that if anybody like him had subbed in my classroom, he'd be banned from my class and probably from the school. WHY do people like this sub? If they truly hate the students and love to get them in trouble, they are in the wrong business! Karen
Ouch!
Tha tha tha that's all folks!
Equation: juvenile delinquents plus apathetic admin = job security
Yes, I've heard "punctuate my new monkey."
Mostly in middle school. Agree with general meaning.
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