LiabilityI was a teacher in an urban district. We had a cell phone policy in place and were told to ask for the student's cell phone and hang on to it until the end of class or end of day depending on the number of infractions in the classroom. Students would go in theacher's classrooms and try to steal phones stored in the drawer, even if locked. We lost a...See MoreI was a teacher in an urban district. We had a cell phone policy in place and were told to ask for the student's cell phone and hang on to it until the end of class or end of day depending on the number of infractions in the classroom. Students would go in theacher's classrooms and try to steal phones stored in the drawer, even if locked. We lost a lot of phones to theft and there were a lot of screaming parents. One student tried to blame the teacher having posession of the phone nd then looking at private information on the student's phone, another blamed a teacher for inapropriate content on the phone, saying the teacher loaded it on while she/he had it all day. He/she didn't let me lock the phone before she/he took it, so they had access to it. The liability became too much and so every time a kid had his/her cell phone out, we took it and immediately called secrity who handled it from there with a lot less laibility. As a sub, long term or not I would NOT take on that much liability, admin will throw you under the bus in a hot second. If you suspect that a kid is abusing their pass out of the room, let hall monitors know and bust them then.
On 2/18/16, Addendum to my last post wrote: > On 2/18/16, Sam Foley wrote: >> In one class the same girl volunteers to take the >> attendance to the office every day I teach this class. >> >> Today another kid told me that it's a chance for her to > use >> her cell phone. >> >> I been wondering why so many kids take so long to go to >> the bathroom, >> >> Are they not potty trained or are they using cell phones in >> BR? >> >> My new policy is cell phone deposits for safe keeping >> while exiting room with valid pass. > > Just discussed my policy with the Principal. > > He said "boy you sure are getting to know these kids!" > Needless to say he's ok with it.
When I decided to sub after retirement I decided I would only work a couple of days a week so I could earn some "fun money". I started out by subbing the first 2 weeks of school and opening an autism room in one of the elementary schools. A new teacher was hired within the first week. I trained her the second week, then settled in to work...See MoreWhen I decided to sub after retirement I decided I would only work a couple of days a week so I could earn some "fun money". I started out by subbing the first 2 weeks of school and opening an autism room in one of the elementary schools. A new teacher was hired within the first week. I trained her the second week, then settled in to working 1-3 days/week, some half days. I got a call a couple of weeks ago from a former coworker asking if I could sub in her autism room as she had fallen at work and was going to be off the rest of the week. Well, we are now into week 3. Hopefully the doctor will see her on Friday and return her to work on Monday. I have a long term FMLA that will hopefully start on Monday. I feel bad if she doesn't return on Monday that her kids and staff will have a different sub. I will miss the kids and the staff, too, but a promise is a promise. The other job was promised weeks ago. I have been trained in that job. If I don't follow through and sub, there most likely will not be another sub that will take the job and special ed students may go without services. On top of that I had two more teacher friends ask me if I could sub during the same time period. I want to, but just cannot do it. It does feel good that they personally asked for me, but I feel guilty about turning them down. Kathy
TitchOn 2/13/16, Lynne s. wrote: > On 2/12/16, Trip coordinator/Teacher wrote: >> On 2/12/16, Kurt Mu wrote: >>> I asked because I know that parents are allowed to >>> chaperone these trips. >> >> And just because parents go, you somehow think that you >> as a substitute teacher should be able to go? Are you ...See MoreOn 2/13/16, Lynne s. wrote: > On 2/12/16, Trip coordinator/Teacher wrote: >> On 2/12/16, Kurt Mu wrote: >>> I asked because I know that parents are allowed to >>> chaperone these trips. >> >> And just because parents go, you somehow think that you >> as a substitute teacher should be able to go? Are you >> thinking that > you >> would be PAID to go? Are you in the building so regularly >> that they kids would respect your authority should you >> somehow > manage to >> be asked to go? >> >> Seriously, I cannot imagine why a school would ask a >> substitute teacher to go on one of these trips. As >> somebody who has > taken >> students to Washington DC for 20 years, I cannot imagine > asking a >> sub to chaperone. No insult intended -- we don't take >> parents either. > > Look up your basic chat room rules of comportment. > > Words entirely in caps such as your brilliant PAID are > prohibited as "shouting." > > I guess you never learned manners In all your years.
You say no insult is intended, but the "paid" written as a shout does offend. Many substitute teachers are retired professionals from respected fields of work and study.
Try gettin...See MoreIn the school system I sub in, almost every "Sub" is a retired or otherwise certified teacher. Almost every one of us (including me) worked as a staff member as teachers.
Your post is just another example of the condescending attitude exhibited by "regular" teachers towards substitutes.
Try getting off your high horse. I too think you owe the OP an apology.
On 2/12/16, Trip coordinator/Teacher wrote: > On 2/12/16, Kurt Mu wrote: >> I asked because I know that parents are allowed to >> chaperone these trips. > > And just because parents go, you somehow think that you > as a substitute teacher should be able to go? Are you > thinking that you would be PAID to go? Are you in the > building so regularly that they kids would respect your > authority should you somehow manage to be asked to go? > > Seriously, I cannot imagine why a school would ask a > substitute teacher to go on one of these trips. As > somebody who has taken students to Washington DC for 20 > years, I cannot imagine asking a sub to chaperone. No > insult intended -- we don't take parents either.
On 2/13/16, Carl V. wrote: > I have learned the hard way never to let the students > have certain materials. > > Never let them have rubber bands or paper clips; don't > even think about granting them both.
That however has changed in the las...See MoreI have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful and grateful that you would come into their class and help.
That however has changed in the last few years. Although I hate to generalize, it has been a growing problem with the newer teachers. Never before have I been put in my place by so many 22 year old "green" teachers.
In previous years young teachers were more than willing to work together with a sub. We seemed to be all in the same team. Now so many are "experts" and treat me like I never went to college. I have actually been lectured just yesterday by a student teacher in a building that I have worked in for over 12 years...on procedure no less.
Is it me or is their an arrogance in this new bunch? I admire idealism, but the "you are beneath me because I am a REAL teacher" is getting old.
By the way we have one that wears jeans with holes and tries to be her kids cool best friend...and barely acknowledges my presence when I say hello.
It just seems to be a trend here. Anyone else noticing a change?
Kurt MuOn 2/03/16, submania wrote: > I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a > while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and > you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It > seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful > and grateful that you would come into their class an...See MoreOn 2/03/16, submania wrote: > I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a > while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and > you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It > seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful > and grateful that you would come into their class and help. > > That however has changed in the last few years. > Although I hate to generalize, it has been a growing problem > with the newer teachers. Never before have I been put in my > place by so many 22 year old "green" teachers. > > In previous years young teachers were more than willing to > work together with a sub. We seemed to be all in the same > team. Now so many are "experts" and treat me like I never > went to college. I have actually been lectured just > yesterday by a student teacher in a building that I have > worked in for over 12 years...on procedure no less. > > Is it me or is their an arrogance in this new bunch? I > admire idealism, but the "you are beneath me because I am a > REAL teacher" is getting old. > > > By the way we have one that wears jeans with holes and tries > to be her kids cool best friend...and barely acknowledges my > presence when I say hello. > > It just seems to be a trend here. Anyone else noticing a > change?
Boy does that resonate!
The new generation is poking out for number 1.
If you ask one of them to quote Nathan Hale's last words, they would be "what's in it for me?"
Itinerant PedagogueOn 2/06/16, Mr. Failure wrote: > In most fields, there is a general respect for those who have > experience. But, for awhile now, education has been very > different. Frankly, everyone hates teachers and looks down on > us. Everyone...: Politicians claim we're failures. Parents > claim we're failures. Administrators claim we're failu...See MoreOn 2/06/16, Mr. Failure wrote: > In most fields, there is a general respect for those who have > experience. But, for awhile now, education has been very > different. Frankly, everyone hates teachers and looks down on > us. Everyone...: Politicians claim we're failures. Parents > claim we're failures. Administrators claim we're failures. > Professors at universities claim we're failures. The news > media claims we're failures because we can't turn a hungry kid > from the ghetto with an unknown father and a junkie mom into a > doctor. Even kids claim we're failures... And so, is there > any surprise that new education graduates think we're failures? > > I believe many colleges of education are full of Ivory Tower > types who taught long ago. Now, their heads are full of > theory on how to teach K-12 that is perfect, since they helped > develop it. But, it doesn't get implemented because those of > us who actually teach K-12 are horrible failures. They impart > this idea to their students who are sure they've been equipped > with the tools to fix what us old-timers have broken. This is > not everyone, of course, but I have seen it with my own eyes. > > I believe it is up to 60&37; of new teachers will be gone within > 5 years, so many will learn they don't know anything. View > these people through that lens. They're likely > future-former-teachers. > > On 2/03/16, submania wrote: >> I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a >> while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and >> you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It >> seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful >> and grateful that you would come into their class and help. >> >> That however has changed in the last few years. >> Although I hate to generalize, it has been a growing problem >> with the newer teachers. Never before have I been put in my >> place by so many 22 year old "green" teachers. >> >> In previous years young teachers were more than willing to >> work together with a sub. We seemed to be all in the same >> team. Now so many are "experts" and treat me like I never >> went to college. I have actually been lectured just >> yesterday by a student teacher in a building that I have >> worked in for over 12 years...on procedure no less. >> >> Is it me or is their an arrogance in this new bunch? I >> admire idealism, but the "you are beneath me because I am a >> REAL teacher" is getting old. >> >> >> By the way we have one that wears jeans with holes and tries >> to be her kids cool best friend...and barely acknowledges my >> presence when I say hello. >> >> It just seems to be a trend here. Anyone else noticing a >> change?
I can relate totally to what you're saying,
If you really analyze it self serving teachers and admins create the problems.
They do not make the slightest effort to instill respect for anyone but themselves.
Then these rocket scientists blame the subs for their own indifference and the consequences thereof.