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by submania

Feb 3, 2016

I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful and grateful that you would come into their class and help.

That however has changed in the last few years. Although I hate to generalize, it has been a growing problem with the newer teachers. Never before have I been put in my place by so many 22 year old "green" teachers.

In previous years young teachers were more than willing to work together with a sub. We seemed to be all in the same team. Now so many are "experts" and treat me like I never went to college. I have actually been lectured just yesterday by a student teacher in a building that I have worked in for over 12 years...on procedure no less.

Is it me or is their an arrogance in this new bunch? I admire idealism, but the "you are ...See More

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Judy My district only hires new young 22 year olds. Some are fairly nice, but others are rude and arrogant.

On 2/03/16, submania wrote: > I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a > while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and > you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It > seem...See More

Feb 3, 2016

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pixie I don't know how old you are, so Ia speculating here, but the change may be in part because as you get older, some of the young ones see you as old in a negative sense, because they have less respect for mature adults than they do for youngsters in their own age bracket.

On 2/03/16, submania wrote: > I have been subbing since 2000, so ...See More

Feb 3, 2016

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Mr. Failure In most fields, there is a general respect for those who have experience. But, for awhile now, education has been very different. Frankly, everyone hates teachers and looks down on us. Everyone...: Politicians claim we're failures. Parents claim we're failures. Administrators claim we're failures. Professors at universities claim we're failures. Th...See MoreIn most fields, there is a general respect for those who have experience. But, for awhile now, education has been very different. Frankly, everyone hates teachers and looks down on us. Everyone...: Politicians claim we're failures. Parents claim we're failures. Administrators claim we're failures. Professors at universities claim we're failures. The news media claims we're failures because we can't turn a hungry kid from the ghetto with an unknown father and a junkie mom into a doctor. Even kids claim we're failures... And so, is there any surprise that new education graduates think we're failures?

I believe many colleges of education are full of Ivory Tower types who taught long ago. Now, their heads are full of theory on how to teach K-12 that is perfect, since they helped develop it. But, it doesn't get implemented because those of us who actually teach K-12 are horrible failures. They impart this idea to their students who are sure they've been equipped with the tools to fix what us old-timers have broken. This is not everyone, of course, but I have seen it with my own eyes.

I believe it is up to 60&37; of new teachers will be gone within 5 years, so many will learn they don't know anything. View these people through that lens. They're likely future-former-teachers.

On 2/03/16, submania wrote: > I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a > while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and > you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It > seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful > and grateful that you would come into their class and help. > > That however has changed in the last few years. > Although I hate to generalize, it has been a growing problem > with the newer teachers. Never before have I been put in my > place by so many 22 year old "green" teachers. > > In previous years young teachers were more than willing to > work together with a sub. We seemed to be all in the same > team. Now so many are "experts" and treat me like I never > went to college. I have actually been lectured just > yesterday by a student teacher in a building that I have > worked in for over 12 years...on procedure no less. > > Is it me or is their an arrogance in this new bunch? I > admire idealism, but the "you are beneath me because I am a > REAL teacher" is getting old. > > > By the way we have one that wears jeans with holes and tries > to be her kids cool best friend...and barely acknowledges my > presence when I say hello. > > It just seems to be a trend here. Anyone else noticing a > change?

Feb 6, 2016

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Kurt Mu On 2/03/16, submania wrote: > I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a > while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and > you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It > seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful > and grateful that you would come into their class an...See More

Feb 9, 2016

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Itinerant Pedagogue On 2/06/16, Mr. Failure wrote: > In most fields, there is a general respect for those who have > experience. But, for awhile now, education has been very > different. Frankly, everyone hates teachers and looks down on > us. Everyone...: Politicians claim we're failures. Parents > claim we're failures. Administrators claim we're failu...See MoreOn 2/06/16, Mr. Failure wrote: > In most fields, there is a general respect for those who have > experience. But, for awhile now, education has been very > different. Frankly, everyone hates teachers and looks down on > us. Everyone...: Politicians claim we're failures. Parents > claim we're failures. Administrators claim we're failures. > Professors at universities claim we're failures. The news > media claims we're failures because we can't turn a hungry kid > from the ghetto with an unknown father and a junkie mom into a > doctor. Even kids claim we're failures... And so, is there > any surprise that new education graduates think we're failures? > > I believe many colleges of education are full of Ivory Tower > types who taught long ago. Now, their heads are full of > theory on how to teach K-12 that is perfect, since they helped > develop it. But, it doesn't get implemented because those of > us who actually teach K-12 are horrible failures. They impart > this idea to their students who are sure they've been equipped > with the tools to fix what us old-timers have broken. This is > not everyone, of course, but I have seen it with my own eyes. > > I believe it is up to 60&37; of new teachers will be gone within > 5 years, so many will learn they don't know anything. View > these people through that lens. They're likely > future-former-teachers. > > On 2/03/16, submania wrote: >> I have been subbing since 2000, so I have been at it a >> while. Through the years I have gotten that "your a sub and >> you are less then me" attitude, but thankfully not often. It >> seemed that most teachers, young or older, were respectful >> and grateful that you would come into their class and help. >> >> That however has changed in the last few years. >> Although I hate to generalize, it has been a growing problem >> with the newer teachers. Never before have I been put in my >> place by so many 22 year old "green" teachers. >> >> In previous years young teachers were more than willing to >> work together with a sub. We seemed to be all in the same >> team. Now so many are "experts" and treat me like I never >> went to college. I have actually been lectured just >> yesterday by a student teacher in a building that I have >> worked in for over 12 years...on procedure no less. >> >> Is it me or is their an arrogance in this new bunch? I >> admire idealism, but the "you are beneath me because I am a >> REAL teacher" is getting old. >> >> >> By the way we have one that wears jeans with holes and tries >> to be her kids cool best friend...and barely acknowledges my >> presence when I say hello. >> >> It just seems to be a trend here. Anyone else noticing a >> change?

I can relate totally to what you're saying,

If you really analyze it self serving teachers and admins create the problems.

They do not make the slightest effort to instill respect for anyone but themselves.

Then these rocket scientists blame the subs for their own indifference and the consequences thereof.

Feb 13, 2016

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