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Common Core

by Ze Povinho

Apr 11, 2016

As we might have seen, Common Core is in full swing, but to me, it seems kind of strange. I am not the only one who sees this way. In the control line airplane (the planes that are flown in circles, while the pilot holds a handle that is connected to the plane by cables) forum, there is a thread about it. Just wanted to share some of their views. Note: the military rankings denote the number of posts from the person.

If you wonder, the forum is called Stunthanger.

1.wwwarbird 2016 supporter Admiral Age: 51

Yeah Robert, this is the "sense" of the people calling the shots these days. We're all in BIG trouble.

2. Tony Drago Commander

It's all BS. 95+&37; of the so called math teachers can not even do common core math. When a student asks a question. Their told to sit down and do their work. Thank you. The useless Department of Education. Talk about wasting tax dollars...

3. Rusty Pieper 2015 Captain

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mrsd Catcher in the Rye has been read for generations by students in in my area. I don't know how old your son is, but it's re required reading for high school here. I personally LOVE this bo book.

Common Core is a set of consistent goals that students much attain each year. With our mobile society, it's important that each district students at...See MoreCatcher in the Rye has been read for generations by students in in my area. I don't know how old your son is, but it's re required reading for high school here. I personally LOVE this bo book.

Common Core is a set of consistent goals that students much attain each year. With our mobile society, it's important that each district students attend has the same standards. This is not to say that I agree with all of the standards at each grade level. I do believe that we are pushing our students to achieve when they are not ready physically or mentally. Plus, not all students are college material. But if you look at college/university coursework today, you will see more and more remedial classes. We need to make the standards rigorous, but at an appropriate level. Karen

On 4/11/16, Ze Povinho wrote: > As we might have seen, Common Core is in full swing, but to > me, it seems kind of strange. I am not the only one who sees > this way. In the control line airplane (the planes that are > flown in circles, while the pilot holds a handle that is > connected to the plane by cables) forum, there is a thread > about it. Just wanted to share some of their views. > Note: the military rankings denote the number of posts from > the person. > > If you wonder, the forum is called Stunthanger. > > 1.wwwarbird > 2016 supporter > Admiral > Age: 51 > > Yeah Robert, this is the "sense" of the people calling the > shots these days. We're all in BIG trouble. > > 2. Tony Drago > Commander > > It's all BS. 95+&37; of the so called math teachers can not > even do common core math. When a student asks a question. > Their told to sit down and do their work. > Thank you. The useless Department of Education. Talk about > wasting tax dollars... > > 3. Rusty Pieper > 2015 > Captain > > My son is subjected to this BS common core in school. It > is much more than what you say here. It is indoctrination. > They made my son read "The Catcher in the Rye." It is the > most filthy language ever spoken in that book. I complained > and was told it is on the approved list of books and I have > no choice in the matter. I bought the book for him to use > and spent hours going through the book and marking out these > F words, MF words, B, AH, etc. Unbelievable. > > Then they make kids read stories saying ALL VACCINATIONS are > SAFE and people should get them throughout their life to > stay healthy. > > COMMON CORE will turn common people into common idiots, that > is my opinion. > > Trump has vowed to end common core immediately. That gets > my vote. > > 4.Brad Smith > Commander > Age: 58 > > They teach this common core crap but wont teach them how to > keep a check book or about loans and interest rates. I found > out my grandson who lives with us could not sign his name > they stopped teaching the kids around here how to write > cursive, my wife had to get him some books so we could teach > him how to sing his name to get his driving permit. > > 5.Fredvon4 > 2016 supporter > Age: 60 > > Lost years ago to the ex wife who trashed a lot of y stuff > was my dad's 4th grade math primer > > If you could complete with competence that one book you > could enter any college today > > Wish I had it to post some examples taught at a primary > school, Marysville Wa circa 1937 > > first many pages were all devoted to addition, subtraction, > division, and multiplication backed up by the flash card > method of memorization....no tricks or weird derivative > associations > > 3/4 was all word problems, mostly agricultural. Ideas like > crop yield, cost per bushel, transport fees, picking fees, > taxes (percentages) and the problem usually required mastery > of all math function to derive the correct answer > > 6. John Park > Agricola > 2016 supporter > Lieutenant > Age: 70 > > > To paraphrase Wordsworth: 'O Richard P Feynman, thou > shouldst be living at this hour'. Feynman would have had a > thing or two to say about this ridiculous over-complication > of a basically simple concept. Not that anybody in > authority seemed to take any notice of him when, back in the > 1980s, he was criticising the almost equally absurd > mathematics teaching that was being foisted upon poor > suffering pupils (or 'students' as they're being called > these days) in the name of progress. It's a wonder anybody > knows anything any more. Okay, end of diatribe. I'll go > and have a nice lie-down in a darkened room, and hope it > makes me feel better. > > Regards > John > > 7. Mike Keville > AMA Member > Age: 75 > > Prior to this one, was not familiar with "Common Core", > although I now think I understand it: a government program > designed to "dumb-down" mathematics for today's helpless & > hopeless masses including those incapable of making change > without the assistance of computerized cash registers. > > Either that, or I'm just an old fa#t who was forced to lean > math the old fashioned way, i.e. via hard work. > > At any rate, "Common Core" sounds like another > Obama/Socialist thing. > > Wrong? Please enlighten me. > > 8. Chuck_Smith > Commander > > Serge, > > Well thought out and cogent response and if I understand, CC > is at the state and not federal level... > > That said, I think Common Core is a symptom of something bigger. > > STEM is based on math. Students need to know not only "Plus, > minus, times and gazintas" but they need to bigger. > > STEM is based on math. Students need to know not only "Plus, > minus, times and gazintas" but they need to understand the > associative and distributive law. They need to know > logarithms. They as you so eloquently expressed, need to do > proofs, and I'll add - derivations. > > Teaching math is not a "learning how to think course", it's > a years-long process in which the student acquires greater > and greater skills, each course building upon the next. > Sure, not everyone is going to have to tackle the > Navier-Stokes equations to graduate, but the ones that do > don't learn how to df it in one semester. They are prepared > by years (usually about 16) of successive mathematics > courses. At that point a student has acquired real skills > that are useful for real problem solving. > > And just as important, they have learned a method of > applying them. > > From my admittedly limited knowledge of CC, I don't see any > emphasis on developing math skills for real problems. Even > at an early age, you can ask a kid "Farmer Jones has 156 > eggs, and his egg cartons hold 12 eggs. How many egg cartons > does he need for his eggs?" or " The carpenter has 8 boards..." > > This puts mathematics into a real-life perspective and > teaches kids how to s boards..." > > This puts mathematics into a real-life perspective and > teaches kids how to solve real-world problems. When you > teach them that way the "light goes off". To me CC seems to > be the "everybody gets a trophy" dumbing down of the core of > what makes engineers, scientist, machinists,... > > > I think CC was really more about lobbyists who's printing > clients wanted to sell a whole new generation of textbooks > to make up for the losses they feel now because they've been > replaced by digital. > > So IMHO, CC is about greed, plain and simple. It's about > money first and our kid's futures second. Add in the > religious nutjobs infiltrating politics and waging a war on > science and education in this country, and the overall > decline in the rational thinking skills (now well > demonstrated by current events) of the proletariat and we > end up where we are. > > I'm in the latter parts of my career, and I get dismayed by > what I see lately when we interview. We are literally trying > to fill high-tech jobs with applicants who hold two-year > degrees and yet can't solve 4th grade math problems. I've > seen plants have to switch to digital mics because they > can't find people operating machines that can read the > barrel on a micrometer. Now, they forget to zero and quality > escapes occur. Didn't happen when we had high school grads > who could go "Three times 25 plus 18 = 93 thousandths." > > Math was taught the way it was (for hundreds of years!) for > a reason: It prepared students to enter the workforce with > skills. It was giving them a toolkit. > > Wow, I must be really getting to be a geezer. I better go > check for kids playing on my lawn and playing rock & roll > music too loud. > > We now return you to the subject of controline model airplanes. > > Chuck > > 9. Brett Buck > Admiral

airplanes. > > Chuck > > 9. Brett Buck > Admiral > Age: 54 > > > Little Jimmy (1955) - "2+2=5" > Teacher/father - "Wrong, don't be stupid, you moron > (backhand slap)!" > > Little Jimmy (2016) - "2+2=5" > Teacher/Father - "Oh, look how creative that was! > Class, say YAY for Jimmy! (class "Yay!) > > Brett > > 10. Randy Cuberly > 2016 supporter > Admiral > Age: 75 > > It's easy to see the reason of all this. > > Stupid, uneducated people are much easier to control > politically! > > Just wait! Common Core is only the beginning...many things > to come if the political landscape doesn't change drastically! > > Anyone drastically! > > Anyone remember "Pods". A very bad idea that will come > again! No, I'm not talking about "Bo dysnatchers" either. > > Randy Cuberly > > 11. Steve Thompson > New Pilot > Age: 52 > > I have been following this topic trying to figure our just > why, as an employer in a town with 50,000 college students, > we can't find kids that can speak and write coherently or do > fairly simple math; what I would consider high school level > 30 years ago. I know college professors that insist kids > are not as smart as even ten years ago. Something is > responsible for that and I sure hope it changes. These kids > need to be able to pay for our social security in a few > years. (joke) > > To be fair, I think Robert must believe in free speech to > host this forum where even yahoos like me can post. > > > _______________________________________________________ > Ze

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