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Want to Teach in Western Europe

by Teacher

Mar 16, 2011

I'm a middle school math teacher, in my 40's, taught for 7 years, BS degree. My wife is a school nurse. We have a 10 year old. We want to experience Western Europe for 2 years and work to fund it. Not next school year, but the one after (2012-13).

We're not looking to start international careers, just a 2 year paid vacation/experience and ...See More

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Dave -> MI They require a two year commitment, but its not a two year contract. Basically, It's one year with THEIR option to renew.

On 3/19/11, MI wrote: > > Most international schools require a minimum commitment of 2 > years, right? > > > > > On 3/16/11, D. Thomas wrote: >> Yes, it's possible. Western Europe is price...See More

Mar 26, 2011

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Dave -> Teacher Sorry for the long wait, I didnt realize I didn't respond to your post. I live in Rome/Italy. Let me address some of the questions you asked.

First, its good your starting now for 2012/2013 because its pretty late for this coming year, which is good for you becuase it gives you some lead time.

Second, my biggest issue is that yo...See MoreSorry for the long wait, I didnt realize I didn't respond to your post. I live in Rome/Italy. Let me address some of the questions you asked.

First, its good your starting now for 2012/2013 because its pretty late for this coming year, which is good for you becuase it gives you some lead time.

Second, my biggest issue is that you referred to what your looking for as a "working vacation". I'm sorry but thats really a myth, I'm sure Thomas will back this up. The truth is when your working at a school anywhere the job comes first. Its not really feasible to have much of a vacation. You wake up in the morning and your at school to about 4pm 5 days a week. You will get a lot of exposure to the city your based in, but there really isnt a lot of time to travel. You can do a couple weekend trips close by if your are very organized, and there are holiday breaks but those are also the most expensive times to travel. You also will have to really bring money in the form of savings with you, because you dont get to save very much in europe.

Third, as I said money will be an issue for you I know it will. The reason being that schools in Europe dont offer the lavish packages you get in Asia, and the middle east.

A typical package includes your salary, a one time relocation stipend, an insurance package, and tuition. The good news is the school will give you free tuition and fees for your child. They will pay for your health insurance (which is very good), and will allow you to pay the highly subsidized rate for your dependents (about 200 Euro for the whole family). The relocation stipend varies (but is usually about one months salary) mine was 3000 euro, you can use it for anything you want. You can buy airline tickets for your whole family, or use it for your apartment deposit, rent, and utilities. Salaries vary Mine is about 2800 a month but with only a B.A yours would be 2500 a month (according to our schedule). You only get seniority credit for years earned at the school, not those you bring with you.

As you can see your responsible for your own expenses, and thats the biggest cost, is that housing is so expensive. When I moved here I was staying in temporary housing the school paid for for 10 days but took me the rest of the semester to find an apartment. As a result my rent was 1540 a month, which was more then half my salary (now Im living in an apartment thats 970 a month). A two bedroom furnished apartment here will easily run you between 1500 - 2000 a month, depending on the area and city your in, but capitol cities tend to be in the same price range. I may be going to Paris next year, and looking into the costs they will be about the same.

Fourth, your wife will be unemployed. Sorry thats the breaks, she wouldnt be licensed to practice in Europe, and she wouldnt speak the language. We have a music teacher at our school who is almost the same as you, and he's miserable. His wife is bored out of her mind, since she has nothing to do all day, and there are only so many times you can see the colliseum, the vatican, and have quaint little cafe lunches on a limited budget. They dont get to travel because they only save a couple hundred euro a month, and she basically cant work. There daughter loves it though, and shes picked up italian very well (she's 8).

Hope that helps. Ask any follow questions you want.

On 3/16/11, Teacher wrote: > I'm a middle school math teacher, in my 40's, taught for 7 > years, BS degree. My wife is a school nurse. We have a 10 > year old. We want to experience Western Europe for 2 years > and work to fund it. Not next school year, but the one > after (2012-13). > > We're not looking to start international careers, just a 2 > year paid vacation/experience and a decent education for > our child while we do it. > > Is this at all possible? > Will my child be able to attend at a reduced rate? > Should I target specific countries for more likely success? > Specific types of schools? > Any advice?

Mar 26, 2011

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Input on ISHCMC?

by klstomi

Mar 27, 2011

International School-Ho Chi Minh City-input? Easy to live in Vietnam as single mom?

Thanks!

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D. Thomas Hey Dave:

I was beginning to think you were boycotting "our" other board. Glad to see your brain has stopped hurting after Thailand. Sorry to hear about you and the Italian interest.

No, I haven't been to Vietnam yet. Our charity has some interests there and so I hope to go soon. Actually TES (the UK version of T-Net) has some goo...See More

Mar 28, 2011

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Dave -> Thomas No wasn't boycotting at all. Just needed to get my head and heart right (still working on the second one). I just dont get it, her and I are talking and i mention i decided to stay the other year in italy and wait on Paris, and she gets all silent. So i dont hear from her the next day, no biggie, the next day she says we need to talk and so at dinn...See More

Mar 28, 2011

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how to find a job in nyc public schools

by baljinder kaur

Apr 5, 2011

i m science teacher from india i m looking for job in nyc public schools anybody can help me?i have certification in biology from nysed but no experience here in us please tell me how i can get a job?

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Dave Try posting in the New York forum.

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On 4/05/11, baljinder kaur wrote: > i m science teacher from india i m looking for job in nyc > public schools anybody can help me?i have certification in > biology from nysed but no experience here in us please tell > me how i can get a job?

Apr 5, 2011

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Hong Kong

by Annette Markley

Apr 10, 2011

I am looking to interview someone who has visited, lived, or taught in Hong Kong. The information is for my college course. Please e-mail me at [email removed].

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Looking for a job.

by Francis Formigones

Apr 18, 2011

Good day. I'm Francis 24 from the Philippines. I'm a licensed teacher and I have 27 units for my Master of Arts in teaching. I just finished my contract and I am currently looking for a a teaching job abroad. I am hoping that somebody here could help me. Thank you and God Bless.

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Rhonda Page On 4/18/11, Francis Formigones wrote: > Good day. I'm Francis 24 from the Philippines. I'm a > licensed teacher and I have 27 units for my Master of Arts > in teaching. I just finished my contract and I am currently > looking for a a teaching job abroad. I am hoping that > somebody here could help me. Thank you and God Bless. What is...See More

Apr 19, 2011

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Looking for a job.

by Francis Formigones

Apr 18, 2011

I reposted this because i failed to add my email address. Good day. I'm Francis 24 from the Philippines. I'm a licensed teacher and I have 27 units for my Master of Arts in teaching. I just finished my contract and I am currently looking for a a teaching job abroad. I am hoping that somebody here could help me. Thank you and God Bless.

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How have you been

by Dave -> Thomas

May 4, 2011

Seems like ages since I've heard from you. Didn't want to "hijack" the DOD forum. What have you been up too? IB exams this month here. Take ours Monday, starting next week. Any developments with you?

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D. Thomas Stress? More students, possibility of moving locations, PITA parents, challenging students etc. Some other things I'm forgetting I am sure.

35 euros sounds very interesting. Tell me more! We're probably going to be doing the usual Rome sights mostly. I'm very interested in Roman history, and seeing classic artwork etc. Food, wine, relaxing...See MoreStress? More students, possibility of moving locations, PITA parents, challenging students etc. Some other things I'm forgetting I am sure.

35 euros sounds very interesting. Tell me more! We're probably going to be doing the usual Rome sights mostly. I'm very interested in Roman history, and seeing classic artwork etc. Food, wine, relaxing.

When do you have to decide about Paris (or anywhere else)? Maybe you should email me, our "enemies" are everywhere and may try and track our movements this summer.

On 5/06/11, Dave wrote: > What's the stress about? > > I haven't decided about staying or moving to France for next > year. I will not be staying most of the summer in Rome (my > apartment becomes way too expensive), I'm leaving in July. Well > the St. Petersburg area of Rome is the cheapest, close to the > vatican. I might be able to get you a 35 Euro/night stay at the > Marriot Park in Rome? What do you want to do for your 5 days > here? > > Didn't get to do very much traveling, too expensive, and not much > time. The times you do get off, are peak holiday times so you > cant really afford it, or else your working. > > On 5/04/11, D. Thomas wrote: >> Yeah, too many haters, trolls and just touchy people over >> there lately. I try to stay under the radar. >> >> Things are pretty good, kind of stressful at work. Planning >> for next year. We're trying to plan a trip for the summer. >> It's still looking like Italy so far. You'll have to let me >> know if you will still be there over the summer. Any tips for >> a decent but not obscenely expensive place to stay for 5 days >> or so in Rome? Or any other places in Italy we should be sure >> to check out (beyond the obvious)? Have you had a chance to >> do much traveling within Italy while you've been there? >> >> Things have been pretty quiet on this board. I wonder if >> there will be a late flurry of interest or activity. I did >> hear that one of the friends of KelBel got a job in Shanghai >> for the fall. >> >> On 5/04/11, Dave -> Thomas wrote: >>> Seems like ages since I've heard from you. Didn't want to >>> "hijack" the DOD forum. What have you been up too? IB exams >>> this month here. Take ours Monday, starting next week. Any >>> developments with you?

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Dave Well I'm supposed to have already told them, so either way I'd be making someone unhappy with me. Well I'd need to know the exact dates, and under what name then i can let you know what the rate would be.

On 5/06/11, D. Thomas wrote: > Stress? More students, possibility of moving locations, PITA > parents, challenging students etc. ...See MoreWell I'm supposed to have already told them, so either way I'd be making someone unhappy with me. Well I'd need to know the exact dates, and under what name then i can let you know what the rate would be.

On 5/06/11, D. Thomas wrote: > Stress? More students, possibility of moving locations, PITA > parents, challenging students etc. Some other things I'm forgetting > I am sure. > > 35 euros sounds very interesting. Tell me more! We're probably going > to be doing the usual Rome sights mostly. I'm very interested in > Roman history, and seeing classic artwork etc. Food, wine, relaxing. > > When do you have to decide about Paris (or anywhere else)? Maybe you > should email me, our "enemies" are everywhere and may try and track > our movements this summer. > > On 5/06/11, Dave wrote: >> What's the stress about? >> >> I haven't decided about staying or moving to France for next >> year. I will not be staying most of the summer in Rome (my >> apartment becomes way too expensive), I'm leaving in July. Well >> the St. Petersburg area of Rome is the cheapest, close to the >> vatican. I might be able to get you a 35 Euro/night stay at the >> Marriot Park in Rome? What do you want to do for your 5 days >> here? >> >> Didn't get to do very much traveling, too expensive, and not much >> time. The times you do get off, are peak holiday times so you >> cant really afford it, or else your working. >> >> On 5/04/11, D. Thomas wrote: >>> Yeah, too many haters, trolls and just touchy people over >>> there lately. I try to stay under the radar. >>> >>> Things are pretty good, kind of stressful at work. Planning >>> for next year. We're trying to plan a trip for the summer. >>> It's still looking like Italy so far. You'll have to let me >>> know if you will still be there over the summer. Any tips for >>> a decent but not obscenely expensive place to stay for 5 days >>> or so in Rome? Or any other places in Italy we should be sure >>> to check out (beyond the obvious)? Have you had a chance to >>> do much traveling within Italy while you've been there? >>> >>> Things have been pretty quiet on this board. I wonder if >>> there will be a late flurry of interest or activity. I did >>> hear that one of the friends of KelBel got a job in Shanghai >>> for the fall. >>> >>> On 5/04/11, Dave -> Thomas wrote: >>>> Seems like ages since I've heard from you. Didn't want to >>>> "hijack" the DOD forum. What have you been up too? IB exams >>>> this month here. Take ours Monday, starting next week. Any >>>> developments with you?

May 8, 2011

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Late Openings - Getting Noticed

by Hippy Mama

May 12, 2011

Hi guys and gals,

So what's the best way to get an interview for the late openings that are coming about? I've posted my resume on tieonline.com, sent resumes directly to the schools, and registered for the COIS fair in Fairfax in June. What's the most efficient and polite way to get noticed and get an interview? What's the timeframe for ...See More

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Hippy Mama Thanks Dave! I reached out to Singapore American School and American School Marrakesh earlier this week. How long do admins usually take to review resumes...or is it just as varied as in the states?

Best, Hippy Mama

On 5/13/11, Dave wrote: > I see 115 openings in Elementary (K-6), a lot of positions in the > middle east (t...See MoreThanks Dave! I reached out to Singapore American School and American School Marrakesh earlier this week. How long do admins usually take to review resumes...or is it just as varied as in the states?

Best, Hippy Mama

On 5/13/11, Dave wrote: > I see 115 openings in Elementary (K-6), a lot of positions in the > middle east (too many to list). 1 Shanghai, 2 Singapore, 2 Morocco, > 1 Russia. > > Shanghai: Shanghai Singapore International School > > Singapore: Chatsworth International School Singapore American > School > > Morocco: Casablanca American School American School of Marrakesh > > Russia: Atlantic International School > > You can google the schools names and navigate to their job vacancy > section and apply directly. > > > On 5/12/11, Hippy Mama wrote: >> I'm open to Eastern Europe, Singapore and Shanghai, and the >> Middle East (Dubai) and Morocco. K-6. Places with good benefit >> packages. >> >> >> On 5/12/11, Dave wrote: >>> Being marketable... What and where do you want to teach? I >>> mean you can get a job next week if you want to teach in the >>> middle east? >>> >>> The resume bank on TIE is a graveyard, no school (well there >>> are a few, but you dont want to work there) goes trolling >>> through them. They post a position and then sort through the >>> applicants. >>> >>> COIS isnt a very big fair, or agency. There isnt anything >>> wrong with it, its just not the popular place, and tends to be >>> british school heavy.... >>> >>> late recruitment generally starts once school is over. >>> >>> >>> On 5/12/11, Hippy Mama wrote: >>>> Hi guys and gals, >>>> >>>> So what's the best way to get an interview for the late >>>> openings that are coming about? I've posted my resume on >>>> tieonline.com, sent resumes directly to the schools, and >>>> registered for the COIS fair in Fairfax in June. What's the >>>> most efficient and polite way to get noticed and get an >>>> interview? What's the timeframe for most admins in filling >>>> the late openings? >>>> >>>> Thanks :-) Hippy Mama

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Dave Depends on the school. Usually though international schools get back to you pretty quickly if they want you or are interested. If you send an email and you don't hear anything back in a week, they either have someone else in mind, or they really aren't interested. Many schools after you send a resume will send you a form email saying its been recei...See MoreDepends on the school. Usually though international schools get back to you pretty quickly if they want you or are interested. If you send an email and you don't hear anything back in a week, they either have someone else in mind, or they really aren't interested. Many schools after you send a resume will send you a form email saying its been received, and if you arent contacted in a certain amount of time (called being short listed), then you can assume that you were not successful.

On 5/13/11, Hippy Mama wrote: > Thanks Dave! I reached out to Singapore American School and American > School Marrakesh earlier this week. How long do admins usually take > to review resumes...or is it just as varied as in the states? > > Best, Hippy Mama > > > > On 5/13/11, Dave wrote: >> I see 115 openings in Elementary (K-6), a lot of positions in the >> middle east (too many to list). 1 Shanghai, 2 Singapore, 2 Morocco, >> 1 Russia. >> >> Shanghai: Shanghai Singapore International School >> >> Singapore: Chatsworth International School Singapore American >> School >> >> Morocco: Casablanca American School American School of Marrakesh >> >> Russia: Atlantic International School >> >> You can google the schools names and navigate to their job vacancy >> section and apply directly. >> >> >> On 5/12/11, Hippy Mama wrote: >>> I'm open to Eastern Europe, Singapore and Shanghai, and the >>> Middle East (Dubai) and Morocco. K-6. Places with good benefit >>> packages. >>> >>> >>> On 5/12/11, Dave wrote: >>>> Being marketable... What and where do you want to teach? I >>>> mean you can get a job next week if you want to teach in the >>>> middle east? >>>> >>>> The resume bank on TIE is a graveyard, no school (well there >>>> are a few, but you dont want to work there) goes trolling >>>> through them. They post a position and then sort through the >>>> applicants. >>>> >>>> COIS isnt a very big fair, or agency. There isnt anything >>>> wrong with it, its just not the popular place, and tends to be >>>> british school heavy.... >>>> >>>> late recruitment generally starts once school is over. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/12/11, Hippy Mama wrote: >>>>> Hi guys and gals, >>>>> >>>>> So what's the best way to get an interview for the late >>>>> openings that are coming about? I've posted my resume on >>>>> tieonline.com, sent resumes directly to the schools, and >>>>> registered for the COIS fair in Fairfax in June. What's the >>>>> most efficient and polite way to get noticed and get an >>>>> interview? What's the timeframe for most admins in filling >>>>> the late openings? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks :-) Hippy Mama

May 13, 2011

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CIS/ISS Fairfax Recruitment Fair - June

by Hippy Mama

May 17, 2011

Does anyone have any experience attending this? It's late in recruiting season so any tips for getting the position?

Have most teachers already accepted positions for next year?

It looks like this one is also aimed at new grads - I would assume that experienced teachers would do well then?

THanks!

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D. Thomas It definitely is useful. Even if you take some of what you read with a grain of salt, it's still better to have the most possible information at your disposal when making life-changing decisions. If you look at the overall pattern of reviews, you can usually get a true picture of things. And different people will have different threshholds of what ...See More

May 23, 2011

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Teaching Couple I did look into ISR when I got home from work yesterday and browsed through the preview reviews and forums/blogs. We will definitely be signing up for it before the CIS fair just so we have that tool at our disposal. And I like that the membership is good for a year, we plan to attend one of the earlier fairs next year. Thanks!

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May 24, 2011

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Questions to Ask

by Teaching Couple

May 24, 2011

As we're preparing for the CIS fair, I'd like to have a list of questions that we should be asking potential employers. Any suggestions? Something that maybe first timers should ask about but may not be aware of? We'd appreciate any tips! Thanks!

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Dave -> Teaching couple lease let us know how your experience at the fair went, I'd love to get a "first timers" impression and suggestions again?

On 5/25/11, Teaching Couple wrote: > Thank you! We do want to be prepared. I had a few of those > things on my list, but you've given me quite a few more that I > may not have thought to ask. We are definitel...See Morelease let us know how your experience at the fair went, I'd love to get a "first timers" impression and suggestions again?

On 5/25/11, Teaching Couple wrote: > Thank you! We do want to be prepared. I had a few of those > things on my list, but you've given me quite a few more that I > may not have thought to ask. We are definitely joining ISR > before we go to the job fair so we can look into the schools that > are attending and try to get a feel for who we would like to talk > to. Thanks again, you've been very helpful! > > On 5/25/11, D. Thomad wrote: >> Good question! Asking questions is a great way to show you are >> serious about your candidacy and to find out information that >> can help you make a good decision. Asking questions can also >> be somewhat dicey. A good school will answer any reasonable >> questions. A bad school will also answer your questions, but >> may not be truthful. Unfortunately, some administrators at >> good schools can be put off by some types of questions. >> >> Basically questions could generally fall into 3 main areas: >> Curriculum/content area/resources: These are generally safe >> questions to ask and answer. You want to ask about the general >> framework that instruction is delivered within and anything >> specific to your area (textbooks, labs, IT etc). If it's a >> curriculum you are not familiar with then this might help you >> decide if it's something you would enjoy teaching within. >> Also, if you are applying to any IB schools, you may want to >> do a bit of research on that subject. >> >> The Country/City: Also a safe area. The school will hopefully >> want you to know what you are getting into and things like >> housing, availability of groceries, transportation etc are all >> fair game. >> >> The school: This can be a tricky area. Things like planning >> time, extracurricular activities, Department structure, >> professional development etc are all safe topics and could be >> useful. >> >> Some things you really may want to know but will have to judge >> whether you think it is OK to ask would be: >> Staff turnover rates >> Quality of healthcare/insurance >> Staff morale >> Behavior and discipline issues >> Contract details and are they strictly adhered to >> >> The problem is that bad schools may or may not answer >> truthfully and good schools may be offended or put off by what >> or how you ask it. Hopefully if a dodgy school answers with >> less than the truth, you may at least get a hinky feeling. >> Definitely join ISR and do your own research. >> >> I kind of rambled there but hopefully some of it was helpful. >> >> On 5/24/11, Teaching Couple wrote: >>> As we're preparing for the CIS fair, I'd like to have a >>> list of questions that we should be asking potential >>> employers. Any suggestions? Something that maybe first >>> timers should ask about but may not be aware of? We'd >>> appreciate any tips! Thanks!

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Teaching Couple Will do Dave!

On 5/28/11, Dave -> Teaching couple wrote: > Please let us know how your experience at the fair went, I'd love to > get a "first timers" impression and suggestions again? > > On 5/25/11, Teaching Couple wrote: >> Thank you! We do want to be prepared. I had a few of those >> things on my list, but ...See MoreWill do Dave!

On 5/28/11, Dave -> Teaching couple wrote: > Please let us know how your experience at the fair went, I'd love to > get a "first timers" impression and suggestions again? > > On 5/25/11, Teaching Couple wrote: >> Thank you! We do want to be prepared. I had a few of those >> things on my list, but you've given me quite a few more that I >> may not have thought to ask. We are definitely joining ISR >> before we go to the job fair so we can look into the schools that >> are attending and try to get a feel for who we would like to talk >> to. Thanks again, you've been very helpful! >> >> On 5/25/11, D. Thomad wrote: >>> Good question! Asking questions is a great way to show you are >>> serious about your candidacy and to find out information that >>> can help you make a good decision. Asking questions can also >>> be somewhat dicey. A good school will answer any reasonable >>> questions. A bad school will also answer your questions, but >>> may not be truthful. Unfortunately, some administrators at >>> good schools can be put off by some types of questions. >>> >>> Basically questions could generally fall into 3 main areas: >>> Curriculum/content area/resources: These are generally safe >>> questions to ask and answer. You want to ask about the general >>> framework that instruction is delivered within and anything >>> specific to your area (textbooks, labs, IT etc). If it's a >>> curriculum you are not familiar with then this might help you >>> decide if it's something you would enjoy teaching within. >>> Also, if you are applying to any IB schools, you may want to >>> do a bit of research on that subject. >>> >>> The Country/City: Also a safe area. The school will hopefully >>> want you to know what you are getting into and things like >>> housing, availability of groceries, transportation etc are all >>> fair game. >>> >>> The school: This can be a tricky area. Things like planning >>> time, extracurricular activities, Department structure, >>> professional development etc are all safe topics and could be >>> useful. >>> >>> Some things you really may want to know but will have to judge >>> whether you think it is OK to ask would be: >>> Staff turnover rates >>> Quality of healthcare/insurance >>> Staff morale >>> Behavior and discipline issues >>> Contract details and are they strictly adhered to >>> >>> The problem is that bad schools may or may not answer >>> truthfully and good schools may be offended or put off by what >>> or how you ask it. Hopefully if a dodgy school answers with >>> less than the truth, you may at least get a hinky feeling. >>> Definitely join ISR and do your own research. >>> >>> I kind of rambled there but hopefully some of it was helpful. >>> >>> On 5/24/11, Teaching Couple wrote: >>>> As we're preparing for the CIS fair, I'd like to have a >>>> list of questions that we should be asking potential >>>> employers. Any suggestions? Something that maybe first >>>> timers should ask about but may not be aware of? We'd >>>> appreciate any tips! Thanks!

May 29, 2011

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