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by School Psyc

Nov 28, 2011

There is an opening still for a school psychologist. They just sent the announcement again yesterday to National Association of School Psychologists' job board. Do you think this means they have not recived very many applications? They posted it previously in late October.

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D. Thomas I would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to Europe.

India is not really on the menu for me. I know some people who are relatively happy there, but not for me.

I would be interested in Bangkok and would consider Concordia. They do have...See MoreI would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to Europe.

India is not really on the menu for me. I know some people who are relatively happy there, but not for me.

I would be interested in Bangkok and would consider Concordia. They do have a mixed reputation, but more for things like poor leadership, communication etc rather than big things like not paying you on time. It would probably be worth interviewing and drawing your own conclusions about admin.

That being said, my first int'l school was way farther down the foodchain and I don't regret taking the leap. Everyone has to start somewhere.

On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: > Thank you. International School Beijing (ISB) has a very clear > description of what they expect from their new school psychologist > and they do include the tasks listed below in addition to several > others. If you (and or your wife) were offered a position at these > three schools, would you go? > > On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: >> Actually Dave, I just participated in a conference on special >> education in Beijing (yes, that is what it was called) with >> learning support teachers and counselors from all the main >> schools in Beijing, AND from their first hand reports and >> experiences, the job is not that different. >> >> The scope and severity of the issues is more to the mild side, >> of course, but with higher expectations and less tolerance for >> behavioral issues, there is still a fair amount of actual >> learning support, pastoral counseling, social skills building, >> collaboraton etc going on (even at ISB and WAB). >> >> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>> Since you've applied to this school why not a few more? The >>> following schools are looking for psychologists: >>> >>> Germany-Bonn International School India-American School of >>> Bombay Thailand-Concordian International School (Bangkok) >>> >>> I know your not going to believe this now, or really >>> identify with it now, but what you do at a public school >>> in the USA, is nothing like you will do at an international >>> school. Special Ed, assessment, counseling, collaboration >>> is just unrecognizable. >>> >>> >>> 11/11/2011On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>> I updated my resume, wrote a cover letter, and a >>>> statement of educational >>>> philosophy and e-mailed them just a minute ago. The >>>> more I read over the requirements of the position, the >>>> more excited I became about the position. I have wanted >>>> to become a coordinator/director for a while. I just >>>> hope this school is willing to hire someone that does >>>> not already have that specific experience. >>>> >>>> I already collaborate with guidance, teachers, and >>>> health professionals, but have not been in a >>>> supervisory position. That is precisely why I have been >>>> frustrated in my current position. I observe in >>>> classes, consult with teachers who say, "Oh, that >>>> is a great idea," but never implements the >>>> suggestions. Then, when the student's behavior or >>>> academics get worse, they complain again and want the >>>> student out of the room. It is very frustrating to be >>>> in a position where I am expected to fix things, but >>>> have no authority to require them to follow through on >>>> items they have agreed would be beneficial. >>>> >>>> We do work together collaboratively to come to >>>> agreements, but it is frustrating when there is no >>>> follow through on their end and there is nothing I can >>>> do about it. Many teachers are wonderful and are doing >>>> great with this collaboration model, but the 2-3 who >>>> don't can make things frustrating and I feel badly for >>>> the students in those classrooms. At this point, my >>>> only recourse is to tattle on them to administration >>>> and I don't think that is great for relationship >>>> building either... >>>> >>>> Oh, well, long story short, "Thank you for your >>>> encouragement, I have applied for the position." >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>> The NASP job board is only visible to members (school >>>>> psychologists, school psychology students, and >>>>> retired school psychologists) who pay a yearly >>>>> membership fee of $195. The information posted there >>>>> is identical to the information posted at the >>>>> school's website when you click on the link for the >>>>> position. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>> I havent seen the NASP job board, but I doubt they >>>>>> will get an MD, but i think they would be very >>>>>> interested if they had one apply, who was >>>>>> everything else as well... (They have two separate >>>>>> nurses facilities on campus). I honestly think if >>>>>> its anything its the language proficiencies they >>>>>> are holding out for. >>>>>> >>>>>> Its a director position your going to be a lot more >>>>>> involved in special populations (ESOL/Special ed) >>>>>> then you will with assessment and counseling, and >>>>>> more then half the job will be traditional >>>>>> supervisory and administration tasks (paperwork). >>>>>> You wont be teaching psychology (they are hiring >>>>>> for a social studies psychology teacher >>>>>> separately). >>>>>> >>>>>> Seriously though why dont you apply, its not like >>>>>> its a lot of energy on your part. Shoot them a >>>>>> resume, and your application packet, and fill out >>>>>> the application. It would take 30 minutes of your >>>>>> time, and the worst that happens is they say no, >>>>>> and your really not out anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/29/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>> It is clearly listed as an administrative >>>>>>> position. They clearly want someone with >>>>>>> significant experience supervising ESOL, guidance >>>>>>> counselors, and special education/learning >>>>>>> support. I think they also want the person to be >>>>>>> a teacher (to help with learning support and >>>>>>> teach psychology) in addition to completing >>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests. The thing about >>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests is that they are >>>>>>> not very accurate if given in a language not >>>>>>> understood by the student and interpreters are >>>>>>> not as good as having a bi (tri) lingual >>>>>>> psychologist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most schools cannot afford to keep an MD on staff >>>>>>> and someone this qualified would be at a very >>>>>>> high position in their current school district if >>>>>>> such a person exists. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would not want to be in that type of position, >>>>>>> personally, so I will do what I can to focus on >>>>>>> qualifying for the foreign service... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>> Thomas will weigh in better here, as you know >>>>>>>> hes in Beijing, and if not his ear to the >>>>>>>> ground, at least he has his feet there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From my experience, I think they have probably >>>>>>>> (actually I know) gotten a lot of applications >>>>>>>> but they are looking for the >>>>>>>> "perfect" candidate, and they have >>>>>>>> time to wait it out. School Psyc, at BIS isnt a >>>>>>>> "critical needs" position, so they >>>>>>>> can wait it out. From what I read and my >>>>>>>> experience, they have some very, very specific >>>>>>>> characteristics they want. FYI, they dont have >>>>>>>> a lot of special ed, or a lot of psychometric >>>>>>>> test requirements, or even a lot of counseling, >>>>>>>> so this is really an experienced "jack of >>>>>>>> all trades", career, junior admin >>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The word I heard (***Rumor***) is they would >>>>>>>> really like someone who is tri-lingual (and the >>>>>>>> word on that is English, Mandarin, and German >>>>>>>> or French), has a doctorate, IB experience, >>>>>>>> college advising experience, and has >>>>>>>> pharmacological experience (I *personally* >>>>>>>> think they are looking for a MD). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>> ISB in this case means, "International >>>>>>>>> School Beijing." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>> There is an opening still for a school >>>>>>>>>> psychologist. They just sent the >>>>>>>>>> announcement again yesterday to National >>>>>>>>>> Association of School Psychologists' job >>>>>>>>>> board. Do you think this means they have >>>>>>>>>> not recived very many applications? They >>>>>>>>>> posted it previously in late October.

Dec 1, 2011

School Psyc With children approaching college age, it would be nice to put some extra money into savings. Thanks,

On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: > I would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in > Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to > Europe. > > India is not really on the menu fo...See MoreWith children approaching college age, it would be nice to put some extra money into savings. Thanks,

On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: > I would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in > Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to > Europe. > > India is not really on the menu for me. I know some people who are > relatively happy there, but not for me. > > I would be interested in Bangkok and would consider Concordia. They do > have a mixed reputation, but more for things like poor leadership, > communication etc rather than big things like not paying you on time. > It would probably be worth interviewing and drawing your own > conclusions about admin. > > That being said, my first int'l school was way farther down the > foodchain and I don't regret taking the leap. Everyone has to start > somewhere. > > On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >> Thank you. International School Beijing (ISB) has a very clear >> description of what they expect from their new school psychologist >> and they do include the tasks listed below in addition to several >> others. If you (and or your wife) were offered a position at these >> three schools, would you go? >> >> On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: >>> Actually Dave, I just participated in a conference on special >>> education in Beijing (yes, that is what it was called) with >>> learning support teachers and counselors from all the main >>> schools in Beijing, AND from their first hand reports and >>> experiences, the job is not that different. >>> >>> The scope and severity of the issues is more to the mild side, >>> of course, but with higher expectations and less tolerance for >>> behavioral issues, there is still a fair amount of actual >>> learning support, pastoral counseling, social skills building, >>> collaboraton etc going on (even at ISB and WAB). >>> >>> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>>> Since you've applied to this school why not a few more? The >>>> following schools are looking for psychologists: >>>> >>>> Germany-Bonn International School India-American School of >>>> Bombay Thailand-Concordian International School (Bangkok) >>>> >>>> I know your not going to believe this now, or really >>>> identify with it now, but what you do at a public school >>>> in the USA, is nothing like you will do at an international >>>> school. Special Ed, assessment, counseling, collaboration >>>> is just unrecognizable. >>>> >>>> >>>> 11/11/2011On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>> I updated my resume, wrote a cover letter, and a >>>>> statement of educational >>>>> philosophy and e-mailed them just a minute ago. The >>>>> more I read over the requirements of the position, the >>>>> more excited I became about the position. I have wanted >>>>> to become a coordinator/director for a while. I just >>>>> hope this school is willing to hire someone that does >>>>> not already have that specific experience. >>>>> >>>>> I already collaborate with guidance, teachers, and >>>>> health professionals, but have not been in a >>>>> supervisory position. That is precisely why I have been >>>>> frustrated in my current position. I observe in >>>>> classes, consult with teachers who say, "Oh, that >>>>> is a great idea," but never implements the >>>>> suggestions. Then, when the student's behavior or >>>>> academics get worse, they complain again and want the >>>>> student out of the room. It is very frustrating to be >>>>> in a position where I am expected to fix things, but >>>>> have no authority to require them to follow through on >>>>> items they have agreed would be beneficial. >>>>> >>>>> We do work together collaboratively to come to >>>>> agreements, but it is frustrating when there is no >>>>> follow through on their end and there is nothing I can >>>>> do about it. Many teachers are wonderful and are doing >>>>> great with this collaboration model, but the 2-3 who >>>>> don't can make things frustrating and I feel badly for >>>>> the students in those classrooms. At this point, my >>>>> only recourse is to tattle on them to administration >>>>> and I don't think that is great for relationship >>>>> building either... >>>>> >>>>> Oh, well, long story short, "Thank you for your >>>>> encouragement, I have applied for the position." >>>>> >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>> The NASP job board is only visible to members (school >>>>>> psychologists, school psychology students, and >>>>>> retired school psychologists) who pay a yearly >>>>>> membership fee of $195. The information posted there >>>>>> is identical to the information posted at the >>>>>> school's website when you click on the link for the >>>>>> position. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>> I havent seen the NASP job board, but I doubt they >>>>>>> will get an MD, but i think they would be very >>>>>>> interested if they had one apply, who was >>>>>>> everything else as well... (They have two separate >>>>>>> nurses facilities on campus). I honestly think if >>>>>>> its anything its the language proficiencies they >>>>>>> are holding out for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its a director position your going to be a lot more >>>>>>> involved in special populations (ESOL/Special ed) >>>>>>> then you will with assessment and counseling, and >>>>>>> more then half the job will be traditional >>>>>>> supervisory and administration tasks (paperwork). >>>>>>> You wont be teaching psychology (they are hiring >>>>>>> for a social studies psychology teacher >>>>>>> separately). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seriously though why dont you apply, its not like >>>>>>> its a lot of energy on your part. Shoot them a >>>>>>> resume, and your application packet, and fill out >>>>>>> the application. It would take 30 minutes of your >>>>>>> time, and the worst that happens is they say no, >>>>>>> and your really not out anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/29/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>> It is clearly listed as an administrative >>>>>>>> position. They clearly want someone with >>>>>>>> significant experience supervising ESOL, guidance >>>>>>>> counselors, and special education/learning >>>>>>>> support. I think they also want the person to be >>>>>>>> a teacher (to help with learning support and >>>>>>>> teach psychology) in addition to completing >>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests. The thing about >>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests is that they are >>>>>>>> not very accurate if given in a language not >>>>>>>> understood by the student and interpreters are >>>>>>>> not as good as having a bi (tri) lingual >>>>>>>> psychologist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most schools cannot afford to keep an MD on staff >>>>>>>> and someone this qualified would be at a very >>>>>>>> high position in their current school district if >>>>>>>> such a person exists. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would not want to be in that type of position, >>>>>>>> personally, so I will do what I can to focus on >>>>>>>> qualifying for the foreign service... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thomas will weigh in better here, as you know >>>>>>>>> hes in Beijing, and if not his ear to the >>>>>>>>> ground, at least he has his feet there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From my experience, I think they have probably >>>>>>>>> (actually I know) gotten a lot of applications >>>>>>>>> but they are looking for the >>>>>>>>> "perfect" candidate, and they have >>>>>>>>> time to wait it out. School Psyc, at BIS isnt a >>>>>>>>> "critical needs" position, so they >>>>>>>>> can wait it out. From what I read and my >>>>>>>>> experience, they have some very, very specific >>>>>>>>> characteristics they want. FYI, they dont have >>>>>>>>> a lot of special ed, or a lot of psychometric >>>>>>>>> test requirements, or even a lot of counseling, >>>>>>>>> so this is really an experienced "jack of >>>>>>>>> all trades", career, junior admin >>>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The word I heard (***Rumor***) is they would >>>>>>>>> really like someone who is tri-lingual (and the >>>>>>>>> word on that is English, Mandarin, and German >>>>>>>>> or French), has a doctorate, IB experience, >>>>>>>>> college advising experience, and has >>>>>>>>> pharmacological experience (I *personally* >>>>>>>>> think they are looking for a MD). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ISB in this case means, "International >>>>>>>>>> School Beijing." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> There is an opening still for a school >>>>>>>>>>> psychologist. They just sent the >>>>>>>>>>> announcement again yesterday to National >>>>>>>>>>> Association of School Psychologists' job >>>>>>>>>>> board. Do you think this means they have >>>>>>>>>>> not recived very many applications? They >>>>>>>>>>> posted it previously in late October.

Dec 2, 2011

by D. Thomas

Dec 1, 2011

So Dave, are you on a two year contract? Or have you applied to any other schools for next year (or are you still undecided about staying or going)?

I wouldn't mind staying in Beijing for a couple more years, but I would like to move over to one of the mainstream international schools.

We are also registered to go to Search Bangko...See More

Dave Im on a three year contract (first year probationary, and has a no fault exit clause).

I've applied to several schools both teaching an admin. The problem is with minimal admin experience, the admin school positions are not places i really want to be, and the teaching positions while nice, arent admin positions. Im still undecided I suppo...See More

Dec 1, 2011

by School Psyc

Dec 1, 2011

I sent my cover letter and resume to Bonn School tonight. However, I could not find any compensation information listed and they are not showing their vacancies for next school-year.

Will we be able to afford living there? I have a husband, who will have to either be a stay at home dad, substitute, or look for other potential work; and I ...See More

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Dave This is before Taxes. Your personal income tax would be 14%, there is then the municipal tax rate of about 14%. The school pays 50% of your social security/pension, your share is 9% of income. So your tax rate all together is about 37%. You dont pay taxes until after 6 months, but you begin making social security/pension contributions immediately. ...See MoreThis is before Taxes. Your personal income tax would be 14%, there is then the municipal tax rate of about 14%. The school pays 50% of your social security/pension, your share is 9% of income. So your tax rate all together is about 37%. You dont pay taxes until after 6 months, but you begin making social security/pension contributions immediately. Europe has really high taxes. Mine here in Denmark is around 50%

Please note the salary I posted of $49K is based ona teacher with an MA +8 years experience, I dont know and cant say if thats the same salary youd be offered as a school psychologist???

The insurance is comprehensive covers medical and dental, and has no deductibles, or other significant costs. Were really close to germany and several of our students are germans working for Ikea, and the government insurance plan is VERY VERY good.

There are opportunities for your husband to work, though without german language fluency they would be VERY limited. His best bet may be working freelance or as a consultant. I dont know if this is something he would want or be able to do. It is not uncommon for a trailing spouse to have a position found for them or created for them, though typically these positions involve tutoring, substituting, or clerical types of positions (they dont pay greatly, and he may not enjoy the work much). They might offer him a position doing laptop or computer tech support. I really cant say though, I dont know what the school would offer.

The site clumped it all together but I had posted some very standard costs. From that post utilities are:

Utilities (Monthly/Average/USD):

Basic (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage) 173.46 $ 1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans) 0.19 $ Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, Cable/ADSL) 30.23 $

Rents (Monthly/Average/USD): Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 668.21 $

Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 502.83 $

Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,352.33 $

Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 1,029.67 $

Your take home pay would be about $40K your first year (you get 6 months tax free). A Three bedroom outside the city center with utilities and internet would run you about $1,250/month or about 15,000 a year. That leaves about $25K left over for discretionary income or about $2K a month. Its not a lot.

On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: > Would the $49K be take home pay? I don't have to pay any portion > of my income towards medical or pension? What about taxes? > > That could cover living expenses pretty well unless electricity, > phone, etc. is really high as well. Is there any chance of my > husband finding employment (software engineer)? > > If that is the take home, pay, I think we could easily afford to > live there. We might not be able to save as much as we could in > other locations, but it would be nice. > > Thank you for posting all the detailed information you did. > > > On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >> Its an elementary school psyc position. >> >> The salary is reported at ABOUT $49K. There is a $1942 (plus >> another $1942 for your spouse, and $600, per dependent child) >> moving allowance and a $650 settling in allowance. Airfare is >> paid for all family members. A complete worldwide medical >> coverage plan is paid and provided for. Full tuition is >> provided to your children (though its a taxable benefit). >> Lastly, there is a pension plan provided. >> >> There is no housing provided, nor a housing allowance (typical >> for europe where compensation packages involve salary, >> relocation allowance, insurance, and in your case tuition). >> >> COSTS: >> >> The Consumer Price Index (Excl.Rent) is 90.96 (meaning its 9% >> less then NYC) The Rent Index is 30.28 (meaning housing costs >> are about 69% less then NYC) The Local Purchasing Power Factor >> is 119.25 (meaning your discretionary income "buys" about 20% >> then you would be able to in NYC >> >> The following are some "Average" cost in USD: >> >> Restaurants: Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant 11.09 $ >> Meal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course 51.40 >> $ Combo Meal at McDonalds or Similar 8.31 $ >> Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) 3.67 $ Imported Beer >> (0.33 liter bottle) 3.89 $ Cappuccino (regular) 3.19 >> $ Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle) 2.59 $ Water >> (0.33 liter bottle) 2.51 $ Markets: Milk >> (regular), 1 liter 0.99 $ Loaf of Fresh White Bread >> (500g) 2.30 $ Eggs (12) 2.87 $ Fresh Cheese >> (1kg) 10.84 $ Chicken Breasts (Boneless, >> Skinless), (1kg) 9.21 $ Apples (1kg) 2.48 $ Oranges >> (1kg) 2.90 $ Potato (1kg) 1.24 $ Lettuce (1 head) >> 1.20 $ Water (1.5 liter bottle) 1.08 $ Bottle of >> Wine (Mid-Range) 6.76 $ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle) >> 1.15 $ Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 1.44 $ >> Pack of Cigarettes (Marlboro) 6.53 $ >> >> Transportation: One-way Ticket (local transport) >> 3.08 $ Monthly Pass 73.51 $ Taxi Start (Normal >> Tariff) 3.64 $ Taxi 1km (Normal Tariff) 2.00 $ >> Taxi 1hour Waiting (Normal Tariff) 30.19 $ >> Gasoline (1 liter) 1.99 $ Utilities (Monthly): Basic >> (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage) 173.46 $ 1 min. of >> Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans) 0.19 $ >> Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, Cable/ADSL) 30.23 $ >> Sports And Leisure: Fitness Club, Monthly Fee for 1 Adult >> 59.58 $ Tennis Court Rent (1 Hour on Weekend) 21.15 >> $ Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat 11.28 $ >> Clothing And Shoes: 1 Pair of Levis 501 112.10 $ >> 1 Summer Dress in a Chain Store (Zara, H&M, ...) >> 47.46 $ 1 Pair of Nike Shoes 98.41 $ 1 >> Pair of Men Leather Shoes 123.58 $ Rent >> (Monthly): Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 668.21 >> $ Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre >> 502.83 $ Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre >> 1,352.33 $ Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre >> 1,029.67 $ >> >> >> >> >> On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >>> I sent my cover letter and resume to Bonn School tonight. >>> However, I could not find any compensation information >>> listed and they are not showing their vacancies for next >>> school-year. >>> >>> Will we be able to afford living there? I have a husband, >>> who will have to either be a stay at home dad, substitute, >>> or look for other potential work; and I have two children >>> that would need to attend the school.

Dec 1, 2011

School Psyc Thank you.

On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: > This is before Taxes. Your personal income tax would be 14%, there > is then the municipal tax rate of about 14%. The school pays 50% of > your social security/pension, your share is 9% of income. So your > tax rate all together is about 37%. You dont pay taxes until after > 6 months, b...See MoreThank you.

On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: > This is before Taxes. Your personal income tax would be 14%, there > is then the municipal tax rate of about 14%. The school pays 50% of > your social security/pension, your share is 9% of income. So your > tax rate all together is about 37%. You dont pay taxes until after > 6 months, but you begin making social security/pension contributions > immediately. Europe has really high taxes. Mine here in Denmark is > around 50% > > Please note the salary I posted of $49K is based ona teacher with > an MA +8 years experience, I dont know and cant say if thats the > same salary youd be offered as a school psychologist??? > > The insurance is comprehensive covers medical and dental, and has no > deductibles, or other significant costs. Were really close to > germany and several of our students are germans working for Ikea, > and the government insurance plan is VERY VERY good. > > There are opportunities for your husband to work, though without > german language fluency they would be VERY limited. His best bet may > be working freelance or as a consultant. I dont know if this is > something he would want or be able to do. It is not uncommon for a > trailing spouse to have a position found for them or created for > them, though typically these positions involve tutoring, > substituting, or clerical types of positions (they dont pay greatly, > and he may not enjoy the work much). They might offer him a position > doing laptop or computer tech support. I really cant say though, I > dont know what the school would offer. > > The site clumped it all together but I had posted some very standard > costs. From that post utilities are: > > Utilities (Monthly/Average/USD): > > Basic (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage) 173.46 $ 1 min. of > Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans) 0.19 $ > Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, Cable/ADSL) 30.23 $ > > Rents (Monthly/Average/USD): Apartment (1 bedroom) in City > Centre 668.21 $ > > Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 502.83 $ > > Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,352.33 $ > > Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 1,029.67 $ > > Your take home pay would be about $40K your first year (you get 6 > months tax free). A Three bedroom outside the city center with > utilities and internet would run you about $1,250/month or about > 15,000 a year. That leaves about $25K left over for discretionary > income or about $2K a month. Its not a lot. > > On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >> Would the $49K be take home pay? I don't have to pay any portion >> of my income towards medical or pension? What about taxes? >> >> That could cover living expenses pretty well unless electricity, >> phone, etc. is really high as well. Is there any chance of my >> husband finding employment (software engineer)? >> >> If that is the take home, pay, I think we could easily afford to >> live there. We might not be able to save as much as we could in >> other locations, but it would be nice. >> >> Thank you for posting all the detailed information you did. >> >> >> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>> Its an elementary school psyc position. >>> >>> The salary is reported at ABOUT $49K. There is a $1942 (plus >>> another $1942 for your spouse, and $600, per dependent child) >>> moving allowance and a $650 settling in allowance. Airfare is >>> paid for all family members. A complete worldwide medical >>> coverage plan is paid and provided for. Full tuition is >>> provided to your children (though its a taxable benefit). >>> Lastly, there is a pension plan provided. >>> >>> There is no housing provided, nor a housing allowance (typical >>> for europe where compensation packages involve salary, >>> relocation allowance, insurance, and in your case tuition). >>> >>> COSTS: >>> >>> The Consumer Price Index (Excl.Rent) is 90.96 (meaning its 9% >>> less then NYC) The Rent Index is 30.28 (meaning housing costs >>> are about 69% less then NYC) The Local Purchasing Power Factor >>> is 119.25 (meaning your discretionary income "buys" about 20% >>> then you would be able to in NYC >>> >>> The following are some "Average" cost in USD: >>> >>> Restaurants: Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant 11.09 $ >>> Meal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course 51.40 >>> $ Combo Meal at McDonalds or Similar 8.31 $ >>> Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) 3.67 $ Imported Beer >>> (0.33 liter bottle) 3.89 $ Cappuccino (regular) 3.19 >>> $ Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle) 2.59 $ Water >>> (0.33 liter bottle) 2.51 $ Markets: Milk >>> (regular), 1 liter 0.99 $ Loaf of Fresh White Bread >>> (500g) 2.30 $ Eggs (12) 2.87 $ Fresh Cheese >>> (1kg) 10.84 $ Chicken Breasts (Boneless, >>> Skinless), (1kg) 9.21 $ Apples (1kg) 2.48 $ Oranges >>> (1kg) 2.90 $ Potato (1kg) 1.24 $ Lettuce (1 head) >>> 1.20 $ Water (1.5 liter bottle) 1.08 $ Bottle of >>> Wine (Mid-Range) 6.76 $ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle) >>> 1.15 $ Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 1.44 $ >>> Pack of Cigarettes (Marlboro) 6.53 $ >>> >>> Transportation: One-way Ticket (local transport) >>> 3.08 $ Monthly Pass 73.51 $ Taxi Start (Normal >>> Tariff) 3.64 $ Taxi 1km (Normal Tariff) 2.00 $ >>> Taxi 1hour Waiting (Normal Tariff) 30.19 $ >>> Gasoline (1 liter) 1.99 $ Utilities (Monthly): Basic >>> (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage) 173.46 $ 1 min. of >>> Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans) 0.19 $ >>> Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, Cable/ADSL) 30.23 $ >>> Sports And Leisure: Fitness Club, Monthly Fee for 1 Adult >>> 59.58 $ Tennis Court Rent (1 Hour on Weekend) 21.15 >>> $ Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat 11.28 $ >>> Clothing And Shoes: 1 Pair of Levis 501 112.10 $ >>> 1 Summer Dress in a Chain Store (Zara, H&M, ...) >>> 47.46 $ 1 Pair of Nike Shoes 98.41 $ 1 >>> Pair of Men Leather Shoes 123.58 $ Rent >>> (Monthly): Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 668.21 >>> $ Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre >>> 502.83 $ Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre >>> 1,352.33 $ Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre >>> 1,029.67 $ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>> I sent my cover letter and resume to Bonn School tonight. >>>> However, I could not find any compensation information >>>> listed and they are not showing their vacancies for next >>>> school-year. >>>> >>>> Will we be able to afford living there? I have a husband, >>>> who will have to either be a stay at home dad, substitute, >>>> or look for other potential work; and I have two children >>>> that would need to attend the school.

Dec 2, 2011

by Abroad maybe

Dec 4, 2011

Does anyone know what it is like teaching at CAISL in Lisbon? Pros/cons. I already have been to their website but want to hear from first-hand experience if someone on this board has been there before.

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Dave Ive never been there sorry, I alo don't know anyone in my years of experience who has so I never even heard anything about them.

On 12/04/11, OP wrote: > On 12/04/11, School Psyc wrote: >> Do you know what openings they have available? >> >> On 12/04/11, Abroad maybe wrote: >>> Does anyone know what it is li...See More

Dec 4, 2011

D. Thomas There are some reviews on International Schools Review for this school. Overall, very mixed and more to the negative reviews. Students ok, admin a bit clueless/cold, some questions about contracts after arriving in country, low pay.

Love the country/area. Possibly an ok IB school to get your experience in that area. Many teachers try to le...See More

Dec 5, 2011

by Wanderlust

Dec 6, 2011

Anyone out here have any info on Bali International School? Reputation, lifestyle, package, etc?

by Pammy

Dec 8, 2011

I'm interested in a biology position at the International School of Neustadt in Germany. Does anyone know what life is like there for a teacher or a foreigner. Any perspective would be appreciated.

Wanderlust Hi Pammy,

I've travelled in that region alot while I was working in Europe. Germany is very easy to get around and fairly easy to communicate for a non-German speaker as many Germans speak English, especially in the larger centers. I have a friend who has lived near Neustadt for the past three years with her husband and three kids and they...See More

Dec 8, 2011

American International Schools in Rome

by La Dolce Vita

Dec 9, 2011

Hi all,

I'm interested in a potential opening at an American international School in Rome. Having done some research, what from I've widely read, it's tough to live comfortably on a teaching salary in Rome, given the high rent and taxes. Can anyone comment on the cost of living (as a single person) in Rome? I'm also a bit worried as to the...See More

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Dave Sorry OFS, stands for "Overseas Family School" its a common name (or some combination of it) that was popular back in the 80's when the DOS or embassy school was pretty much the only real international school in a region. For instance the American school in Rome ([link removed]).

For a while OS (Overseas School) in general was used but it...See More

Feb 22, 2012

Roma- La citta' piu' bella del mondo In regards to living in Rome on a teacher's salary, it's definitely doable. I lived in Rome for a year. If you know how to budget your money it's a piece of cake. I would recommend 1st to get an apartment with roomates, because then you will only be paying around 4-600 euros a month. During the week I would make my own breakfast in the morning and ...See MoreIn regards to living in Rome on a teacher's salary, it's definitely doable. I lived in Rome for a year. If you know how to budget your money it's a piece of cake. I would recommend 1st to get an apartment with roomates, because then you will only be paying around 4-600 euros a month. During the week I would make my own breakfast in the morning and go for the midmorning cafe/cornetto for only 2 euro. I bought a pass at the gym which was at 100 Euro a month. I packed my own lunches for school, or would grab a panino for lunch, and make my own dinner at nite. I bought a metro/bus/tram pass that was good for the whole month at 45 euros. On weekends i would luxuriate a little more and go out to dinner, go to the discoteca, or find some pub to hang out in san lorenzo. If you make lots of italian friends over there a lot of them arent going out to crazy expensive places all the time/spending lots of money on dining: u go to apartments to party, go to san lorenzo and walk around at night, get a drink at a pub and catch some live music.

Rome can be an expensive city if you don't kno how to budget your money. If you do it right, then you will enjoy it so much and have no worries. I kno people that worked at language schools over there making only 1200 euros a month and lived ok. So, with 28.000 euros +, you can definitely have a good life over there.

On 12/10/11, Dave wrote: > I taught in Rome/Italy last year (this year Im in Denmark), > and i left becuase of the money (well that and a girl). It > really depends on the school, theres one really well paying > school in Rome, that if you work at you wont have a problem. > Me and everyone else really struggle, its the cost of living > in one of the GREATEST and most amazing cities in the world. I > was making about 2800 € a month and my first/temporary > apartment was running almost 1800 € a month, and it was small > just off the spanish steps. even after I moved into the St. > Petersburg area I was paying about 1200 € a month (though > nicer and bigger space). Most schools in europe dont give you > a housing package, its just salary, insurance, and a > relocation allowance (which might include different types of > transportation, settling in, and moving allowances. It doesnt > really matter because its all money in the end). > > As far as the Euro crises, all the international schools are > pretty insulated from that. What matters is local costs, as > prices are creeping (and not all that slowly either) upward, > and dont look to let up, especially on imports. Basically > local stuff hasnt changed much in price. Housing has also > gotten higher, since many landlords are trying to make up for > market losses with real estate hikes (my apartment is now > going for around 1500 €). Another tax is going to be > instituted is the word i hear from my friends. > > Im a single a guy and had a pretty active social life (having > an italian girlfriend is EXPENSIVE) and at the end of the year > i left with less then a 1000 €. It takes you at least a month > or two to find a place. Your first month rent and deposits and > fees will eat up your relocation allowance. Add airfare, and > temporary housing and your not into positive cash flow until > your 4 months into the job. Then the holidays hit, and you > need a permanent place by december because all the temp stuff > is rented out to visitors for the holidays. One woman who was > new ended up homeless, and luckily another teacher let her > move in for the month as he was traveling back to the UK for > the holidays. So by christmas your not scraping by anymore, > and youve learned where to shop for food, and arent eating out > ALL the time, and its no joke, in Rome eating out is so easy > to get addicted too. You basically learn to eat one real meal > a day, because youll drop €50 euro a day without blinking > after ordering a couple dishes, wine, espresso, and gelato. > You grab a pastry and espresso in the morning. Have lunch at > school, with a glass of wine (school lunch is the cheapest way > to go). Then you go home and make some pasta or pizza, or you > go out. > > You should also get used to drinking, and i mean all the time. > When you count the glasses, i was drinking a bottle of wine a > day, and by many american standards that makes you an > alcoholic. Its really easy to do, you have a glass of wine > with lunch, another after work, one with dinner and then one > in the evening, and thats a light day. Going out to the clubs > or just a dinner date is easily another liter. Out at the > clubs and bars its all hard liquor and cocktails. It does make > the work and day go by a lot easier. You wont be drunk either > because double shots ( or double double shots called called a > Qauttro) of straight scalding hot espresso will keep you > wired. Its also easy to gain 20 lbs after a year in Italy.... > > On 12/09/11, La Dolce Vita wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm interested in a potential opening at an American >> international School in Rome. Having done some research, >> what from I've widely read, it's tough to live comfortably >> on a teaching salary in Rome, given the high rent and >> taxes. Can anyone comment on the cost of living (as a >> single person) in Rome? I'm also a bit worried as to the >> current economic situation in Italy... >> Any inside info greatly appreciated.

May 19, 2013

A LIFETIME'S LOG OF V COOL ACTIVITIES!

by Tolo Taylor

Dec 10, 2011

Hello, As a very experienced teacher of History, English, RS, Geography, Business Studies and Media (it was originally just History, but it seems like I have taught everything!), over the years I have made a log of every new lesson activity that I have ever used and developed. I have found this log to be extremely useful as before I plan a lesson, ...See More

by Rookie Abroad

Dec 11, 2011

Hello all - I was wondering if anyone can offer some general info. on Int'l. schools. I am pursuing my 1'st Intl. job and was wondering when hiring wraps up for the season. I have been told it is done much earlier than traditional schools gien the time needed to visas, travel arrnagements, etc. I am signed up with Search Assoc. and my advisor says ...See More

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Rookie Abroad Thanks for the info. Dave that's pretty much what I was looking for. Heck, I thought 10 schools by mid Dec. was pretty good. I am willing to pretty much consider anywhere except a desert climate (don't do the heat). I'm basically applying to schools that I think would be a good fit for me and the salary/package is reasonable. I am in a position now...See MoreThanks for the info. Dave that's pretty much what I was looking for. Heck, I thought 10 schools by mid Dec. was pretty good. I am willing to pretty much consider anywhere except a desert climate (don't do the heat). I'm basically applying to schools that I think would be a good fit for me and the salary/package is reasonable. I am in a position now where I do not have to do anything. I'm willing to make some sacrafices given my lack of Intl. exp. but am not willing to start my career over. I kind of feel 15 years of exp. along with my education is worth something. I am certified in english, history, media, journalism, reading/special ed., was an activites coordinator for many years, and have advised many student groups. If the job won't accomplish what I am looking to do, I guess it wasn't meant to be. Thanks again for all the info. and the website referral. I'll check it out.

On 12/11/11, Dave wrote: > WOW, thats a lot of questions. So heres how it works. Most > schools start recruiting in November/December when they find > out whos leaving and whos coming back. The elite schools tend > to scoop up the cream of the crop and couples early. Then > around January with the Bangkok fair is when they start > looking at filling the teaching couples, and those with IB > experience (usually 5 years and up). The with the February > fair they pick up the singles with the minimum 2 years > experience. Then the third tier schools recruit the leftovers. > Its all done by March. Then over the summer you have a final > round of hiring for the no shows, and thats it until about > December when there is a little mid year and > maternity/emergency leave hiring. > > 10 Schools thats it? Unless thats all the positions there are > available, thats not a serious job search. What are you > certified in/looking to teach? What regions are you interested > in? > > If you want a lot of responses not just mine go to the forums > at ISR (International school review), and post your question, > though there are already a lot of posts as well. > > [link removed].

Dec 11, 2011

Dave Can I be honest? Your probably over shooting. I imagine most of the schools your looking at are the "american" schools overseas and most of those are the elite schools. You dont just "walk into' one of those positions. You need IB experience, international experience, certifications, and at least a masters. Youve got some of that but your missing s...See MoreCan I be honest? Your probably over shooting. I imagine most of the schools your looking at are the "american" schools overseas and most of those are the elite schools. You dont just "walk into' one of those positions. You need IB experience, international experience, certifications, and at least a masters. Youve got some of that but your missing some crucial pieces. Its not that your not qualified, its just that these schools get thousands of applications a year all from people just like you. Most of your certifications (with the exception of special ed, called Learning Support or Resource Teacher overseas) are not in very high demand.

Usually a new international teacher starts out at a second tier school somewhere in Asia, then moves up to a first tier school, then around 4-6 years makes the jump to one of the 1st tier schools in the premium regions like europe or Japan. After two years there they move into an "elite" school. So thats 8 years before your where you want to be, if there is something special about your qualifications you can cut about 2 years from that (maybe even in half, if you want to stay in one of the non premium regions).

On 12/11/11, Rookie Abroad wrote: > Thanks for the info. Dave that's pretty much what I was looking > for. Heck, I thought 10 schools by mid Dec. was pretty good. I > am willing to pretty much consider anywhere except a desert > climate (don't do the heat). I'm basically applying to schools > that I think would be a good fit for me and the salary/package is > reasonable. I am in a position now where I do not have to do > anything. I'm willing to make some sacrafices given my lack of > Intl. exp. but am not willing to start my career over. I kind of > feel 15 years of exp. along with my education is worth > something. I am certified in english, history, media, > journalism, reading/special ed., was an activites coordinator for > many years, and have advised many student groups. If the job > won't accomplish what I am looking to do, I guess it wasn't meant > to be. Thanks again for all the info. and the website referral. > I'll check it out. > > On 12/11/11, Dave wrote: >> WOW, thats a lot of questions. So heres how it works. Most >> schools start recruiting in November/December when they find >> out whos leaving and whos coming back. The elite schools tend >> to scoop up the cream of the crop and couples early. Then >> around January with the Bangkok fair is when they start >> looking at filling the teaching couples, and those with IB >> experience (usually 5 years and up). The with the February >> fair they pick up the singles with the minimum 2 years >> experience. Then the third tier schools recruit the leftovers. >> Its all done by March. Then over the summer you have a final >> round of hiring for the no shows, and thats it until about >> December when there is a little mid year and >> maternity/emergency leave hiring. >> >> 10 Schools thats it? Unless thats all the positions there are >> available, thats not a serious job search. What are you >> certified in/looking to teach? What regions are you interested >> in? >> >> If you want a lot of responses not just mine go to the forums >> at ISR (International school review), and post your question, >> though there are already a lot of posts as well. >> >> [link removed].

Dec 11, 2011

Teaching Philosophical Thinking in Ecuador

by Timothy Nilsson

Dec 22, 2011

Hello fellow teachers.

I work as vice-principal of a bilingual school in Ecuador. The government has added a new subject to next year´s curriculum for 10th graders: "Development of Philosophical Thinking." We´ve decided to teach this subject in English. The problem is we have no materials to teach the class, not even in spanish yet. Any ...See More

Dave Hi, I see two apparent approach's to the subject/class. Either:

1) As a general epistemology class with an introduction/survey of humanities (psychology???) and philosophy (logic???).

2) What it sounds like to me is an implementation of the IBO's (IB, International Baccalaureate) T"heory of Knowledge" (called TOK) program. Sever...See More

Dec 22, 2011

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